Tolerance and Intolerance. Share your thoughts.

Tolerance or Intolerance ? Is it a verbal or action or both ? What do we EXPECT tolerance to be ? All around us the Intolerant are DEMANDING that we accomodate them or they will shout us down with cries of "You are Intolerant (racist, religious bigot)". Is it possible in our open society to DISAGREE and still be tolerate ?

PC has silenced most in America. The Illegals are winning their invasion by yellling "Racist". The Muslims are demanding and getting outrageous ACCOMODATIONS by calling everyone "religious bigots" who don't conform to their demands.  But really the central issue is:

 WHAT IS IT TO BE TOLERANT ?

Do I have to bend over backwards to accomodate a Muslim to be tolerant of his beliefs?

Do I have to ignore the effects of illegal immigration to not be a racist ?

Does being tolerant mean we have to be completely flexible to all demands?

What say you ?

 

This is a fundamental flaw in our society (Tolerance). Why is it wrong to speak against an issue or some one? This is a major problem in America. This political correctness has allowed for all forms of evil and injustices to come down on us. If you disagree you're a racist, bigot or a hater. Very good topic bigot: somebody who has very strong opinions, especially on matters of politics, religion, or ethnicity, and refuses to accept different views.

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A line must be drawn with both compassion and tolerance so that our laws, culture, and language are enforced and preserved.  It is against common sense and wisdom, to be over-compassionate and/or over-tolerant.  Often, it seems that some Christian beliefs are at odds with this, so some tend to be over-compassionate and over-tolerant of people that are nothing more than invaders, liars, and/or filled with selfish greed.   They cross the line, and break the law themselves, or they deceive themselves by believing the lies of others, or allowing rampant greed to go unchastised.

This over-compassion and over-tolerance has allowed the Trojan Horses of American enemies to take root.  It has allowed the poison of multi-culturalism to be seen as somehow good.  It has allowed the ideas that homos are good, meat eaters bad, and that islam is a "religion of peace".  It has allowed Communist China favored nation trade status, and the outsourcing of American jobs.

Making lines for compassion and tolerance, and not crossing them, are necessary and moral.  Sometimes harshness, and discipline are absolute necessities of survival and for moral direction. 

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Bassin Boggs said: This is a fundamental flaw in our society (Tolerance). Why is it wrong to speak against an issue or some one? This is a major problem in America. This political correctness has allowed for all forms of evil and injustices to come down on us. If you disagree you're a racist, bigot or a hater. Very good topic bigot: somebody who has very strong opinions, especially on matters of politics, religion, or ethnicity, and refuses to accept different views.

 

There is a fundamental flaw but it is NOT the built in Constitution Codified tolerance in our society. The fatal flaw that we are struggling with is a double whammy found in 1. Politically correctness and 2. a bad definition of what tolerance is (which by the way I was hoping we could get some good definitions of tolerance in this thread). I honestly believe it is possible to disagree and be tolerant. What I fear is that we can no longer disagree with Muslims, Latinos (and other agenda driven groups) without their labeling us "intolerant racists".  I have come to expect that reaction from them. Though I inside know the truth....who the real intolerant racist is.

mgopilot said:

This over-compassion and over-tolerance has allowed the Trojan Horses of American enemies to take root.  It has allowed the poison of multi-culturalism to be seen as somehow good.  It has allowed the ideas that homos are good, meat eaters bad, and that islam is a "religion of peace".  It has allowed Communist China favored nation trade status, and the outsourcing of American jobs.

Making lines for compassion and tolerance, and not crossing them, are necessary and moral.  Sometimes harshness, and discipline are absolute necessities of survival and for moral direction. 

Tolerance of a differant culture, differant values, differant customs ....has boundaries. I may be tolerant of you speaking Spanish in the lunchroom (and thus deliberately leaving every non-spanish speaker in the room out of the conversation (which is RUDE in any language), but I should not have to be tolerant of your demand that VOTING MATERIAL be made available in Spanish (wait, you should have learned English to become a CITIZEN !) Boundaries are those logical landmarks that keep men sane......I can be tolerant of you being ZYGZY in faith without wanting to accompany you to prayers, pay alms to your yellow sheeted and bald shaven swamee and please if you say that love forces you to kill me if I don't convert....accept that you have reached the end of my tolerance boundary ! Because I now MUST defend my life from you. There definitely are boundaries to tolerance.

On the other subject: compassion. I am torn here. You see I have no compassion for the lazy, the criminal, those who through their own choices and actions are sick, those who have thrown away great opportunities. I have no compassion for whiners. I have great compassion for the child with cancer, the mother who lost her son in Iraq or the father of a murdered son. If Americans are to be compassionate upon the poor dirt farmer from Mexico, then give him a green card or advise him on REVOLUTION against his corrupt government. What is needed in this case is a few million Pancho Villa's to fix his poverty problem, not a pathway to U.S. citizenship. Compassion does have boundaries also. I can be compassionate without importing all the poor of the world here. Frankly a few cents a day can help greatly over there, bring them here and the costs skyrocket. I can be compassionate without destroying my life, my home, my neighborhood, my economy, my society or my nation.

Ah, discipline. That word that describes order, structure and logic. Discipline must be founded on MORAL VALUES. And that is where we are lost. The U.S. left those behind as unnecessary impediments to futurism/humanism years ago.

I am still struggling for the sane definition to tolerance in America.

 

I was raised with standards of behavior in the '40s.  I still abide by those standards and do NOT expect any less of myself, nor will I tolerate any less from others.

I was raised in the church, to believe in God and salute the Flag.  I am a retired veteran from active duty and am proud and honored to have served our wonderful country, the world's only super power.

Over the years our society has felt the need to lower the standards to accomodate those who do not measure up.  It has gotten progressively worse.  Now it seems no one really fails in a school subject because we do not want to cause trauma to the student.  No one will lose in any competition because we do not want to harm anyone's self-esteem.  We are taught to treat our children like friends so as not to inflict any permanent damage to their feelings.   We have raised a few generations of parasites who want everything NEW and they want it NOW.   They feel they are entitled to everything bright and shiny simply because they have grown up with it all....and have never known what it is to do WITHOUT.    They have never heard the word " NO " in their fromative years, therefore they are demanding without respect for anyone else.   It is also sad because they have no self-respect.   Today's society blames all shortcomings on the stress and pressure of our day to day living.     If they were any other species they would simply be put to sleep.    Instead, we have every pill known to counter the effects of ADD, ADHD and thousands of other "ailments" that could have been cured by a "leather belt" years ago.       .........but as the Bible says,....  "we reap what we sow".         No wonder some of us pray for a "crop failure".

...........other than that I am enjoying life...   and I do "pack".   

God Bless America 

 

  

  

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Bassin Boggs said: This is a fundamental flaw in our society (Tolerance). Why is it wrong to speak against an issue or some one? This is a major problem in America. This political correctness has allowed for all forms of evil and injustices to come down on us. If you disagree you're a racist, bigot or a hater. Very good topic bigot: somebody who has very strong opinions, especially on matters of politics, religion, or ethnicity, and refuses to accept different views.

 

Should we speak out against things like this? What do you think? Is It politically correct?......      http://www.thelandofthefree.net/conservativeopinion/2008/07/13/does-america-really-need-a-racially-segregated-national-anthem/

Aphone, welcome my brother to Firesociety. I think you will find a number of us with similiar backgrounds to yours.

Four words say it for me:

LIVE AND LET LIVE!

What another person does - with the exception of a few things such as murder or mayhem - is their business. I will listen to their views but make up my own mind. They have a right to speak as I also have a right to speak.

My religion is my business as their religion or lack of religion is their business. This is between me and God or them and their God or lack of God. I do not criticize their beliefs and don't expect them to criticize mine.

I do not want to hear of their sexual preferences nor do I want to tell them mine.

I believe in morality and decency and standards of conduct. I see perversion around me but do not criticize them. My choices for proper speech, clothing, entertainment are mine. I do not have to attend or watch what I choose not to.

I could go on but it will still come down to: LIVE AND LET LIVE! 

 

 

Live and Let live. And how is that working for you ? 

 Such an attitude by Americans in general doesn't seem to have stemmed the tide from the south or stopped the public financing of footwashing bathrooms in St Louis Airport. I'm just saying...........

Live, and kill our enemies.  

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mgopilot -- who would make those decisions?    

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Sparks3:

LIVE AND LET LIVE!

The thread asked about sharing thoughts on tolerance and intolerance. It did not ask about my personal circumstances in life but my thoughts on it. This is my belief although it is not necessarily a fact of my life. I seem to be in the minority on this issue of tolerance.

Hitler had no tolerance either and murdered millions because they were not blue-eyed, blond-haired Aryans. Muslims and Africans murder millions because they are from the "wrong" tribe. Am I to stoop to this level?

As far as footbaths in airport bathrooms is concerned, I really don't care. But by the same token, I believe I should be allowed to have the Ten Commandments posted by whoever wishes to post them. Maybe some of its precepts would sink in.

Tolerance is the ability to allow people to live their lives in an acceptably peaceful manner without anyone infringing on their rights and/or beliefs within the limits of God's laws'. There are more important issues than the issue of footbaths which are aptly illustrated on other threads. 

 

 

 In my view point being P.C. has nothing to do with nothing, it is a major form of censorship. We have reversed racism in this country, to be truely PC. when something is said to be wrong it shoulsd be wrong for all racies but as we know it is not. When will the time come that when you witness a crime you should not say something or try to stop that person because of his race?

 

 

 Should we speak out against things like this? What do you think? Is It politically correct?......      http://www.thelandofthefree.net/conservativeopinion/2008/07/13/does-america-really-need-a-racially-segregated-national-anthem/

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I tell you all my tolerance factor in a simple statement......

It is wearing paper thin!

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mgopilot said: Live, and kill our enemies. Tolerate no stupidity or greed. Have no compassion for those who are worthless low IQ, obese, ugly, weaklings, dishonorable, and/or over breeding slimebags.

 

 

mgopilot said: Live, and kill our enemies. Tolerate no stupidity or greed. Have no compassion for those who are worthless low IQ, obese, ugly, weaklings, dishonorable, and/or over breeding slimebags.

 

Whaaa?

Sounds like a Conan the Barbarian movie.

Keyword barbarian.

I noticed that you have a pic of John Wayne in your Avatar.

He would not have agreed with you.

He was all for respect, both ways, but he would've took up for the underdogs.

Like the yougly ones, etc.

And as Jim says, who would make the decisions? THAT's where the danger really is. 

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John Wayne would not have tolerated the dumbing down of America by invasion of 80 IQ average 3rd worlders, and would have been against anchor babies of the same.

He married an honorable, intelligent Hispanic woman--one of the minority. John Wayne wouldn't have tolerated the multi-culturalism and feel good PCness of the liberal types. He would have been all for English only, and enforcement of our laws along with stopping and reversing the invasion.

John Wayne would have said it is stupid to believe that moslems "belong here" because of freedom of religion when their "religion" says they must kill us.

He would have told our youngsters to do good in school, stay single until you are mature enough to marry, and serve your country first. He would have been totally against the reverse racism we have, and been all for limiting admittance to the USA to those of the nationalities, in proportion, who built and made America great.

He would have been disgusted by the people being pulled up out of New Orleans by helicopter. He was a "Remember the Alamo" type of guy, and remember the "Halls of Montezuma and the shores of Tripoli" type of guy.

John Wayne was all American and would be disgusted in what has happened to our country since he died. The National debt disgrace, big, gov't, welfare generations, no draft to force national service with the loss of the American work ethic, the PC creeping in to even supposedly conservative groups--these all would have had him disgusted after the sacrifices of so many like the Flying Tigers to the Green Berets in Vietnam.

His compassion was reserved for those who really deserved it--like our wounded veterans, and the gentlemanly compassion for good women and kids. He tolerated no attacks or invasions, but he would give a break to someone who deserved it, and draw first on most, and let some others have the first shot--then blast the heck out of them. Schools and churches were supposed to teach morality and patriotism--and did, back in the day. Now the churches help invaders, and no longer excommunicate unwed mothers, while our schools teach anti-Americanism and that reverse descrimination and multi-culturalism is good. John Wayne would have spoke out against all those practices so common now.

He was a real Republican and would look down on the corrupt RINOs so prevalent today. He sure as heck would not have tolerated something like SPP or amnesty, and the moslems would have been hit hard on 9-12-01 instead of a month later. He would have nipped the invasion in the bud and secured the border in 1986, if he were President, and would have advised his friend Ron Reagan to do so if he had lived to that time.

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But he would have taken up the plight of the weak. Most of the ones that you mentioned in that post are NOT at fault for their condition.

I guess our views of John Wayne are not the same. I never met him, but he was a 1st cousin of my mother's sister in law. My middle name was taken from him (Wayne).

I am 57 and have many memories of stories of him, and I have seen all his movies many times. Read many books about him. He wasn't a saint, by no means (alcoholism was a problem for him) , but he was much more tolerant than your earlier post. He was my childhood Idol, and still today, I respect his principles.

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Talk about a wall of text....Couldn't you have put that in paragraph's MGO? You've been here for a long time. Don't thread the needle man. That's Intolerable.

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