Should we torture prisoners? Does it even work?

There's one answer to both questions, and it's not yes.

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Who Would Jesus Torture?

If someone commits a murder or serious crime, death is the only justice!

Torture is the tool of the devil!

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I guess it comes down to : would you sacrifice one to save a thousand. Hypothetically speaking would you have killed the thirteen hi jackers to have saved over three thousand innocent killed.

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What is considered torture ?   An enemy combatant who is resisting surrender should be shot dead.    An enemy combatant who surrenders himself should and can be questioned in a civilized manner.

I am never for cutting peoples fingers off or popping their arms out of the sockets or making them kneel on sharp rocks with weight on their backs or being marched to death without nourishment as the barbaric enemies of ours have done to our men who were captured doing their sworn duty.    

  I have no problem with battle commanders engaged in a legimate war making prisoners holdingh key information that would save lives uncomfortable with water boarding or sleep deprivation or something that would not cause permanent physical damage or death.  

Outside of that, Put men of character and good judgement in place and lsupport them as they fight the war in a manner they see necessary to save lives.   

TG

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Bassin Boggs said: I guess it comes down to : would you sacrifice one to save a thousand. Hypothetically speaking would you have killed the thirteen hi jackers to have saved over three thousand innocent killed.

 

Or you could say:

If I was getting my fingers cut off, what would I say, to get them to stop?

Answer: Anything they wanted to hear.

 

God allowed the 3,000 people killed, obviously.

America has been one of the most evil nations on the planet for the past few decades.

 

Abortion = how many deaths?

Homosexual marriage

 It is now a crime in some states to call some one a faggot (outlawing freespeech)

We have been in war almost every year since WWII, but we haven't declared war since 1941, in direct violation of the constitution.

We now go to war based on a Global form of government. (The U.N.)

 We are no longer a Christian nation, Prayer being taken out of schools, for example.

 The New Babylon in the book of revelation referres to America. If you read what God does to her, America will not be a good place to live in the near future. God will reign down his judgement on us for letting our government pervert the constitution and our Republic.

Almost every member of Congress and the Supremecourt are nothing short of Treasionist bastards, that deserve eternity in hell.

The Infrastructure that the Anti-Christ will use  would not be allowed to happen in America, if our Government followed thier oath of office, and the constitution.

The FISA Amendments that made it legal to perform warrantless wiretaps, is blatanlty unconstitutional, but yet, most of congress aprroved it.

Our Giovernment has been perverted beyond repair, short of civil war.

 

 

 

 Our Government is openly promoting a North American Union, and even the early stages of the Mark of The Beast with the (Real I.D.)

They now want to put fingerprints, and retnal scrans into our Identification Cards and possibly into our social Security Cards.

The previous generations didn't do enough to stop social security, The Government now knows where we work, how much money we make, and where we live, all thanks to Social Security System.

Our Government has been at this game for a very long time!

God will Judge America accordingly!

 

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Torture is a useful tool. Even if there's no real information that comes out of torturing someone, they are given the treatment that they inflicted on someone else. The "eye for an eye" theory, which is stated in the Bible. If they believe in torturing innoscent people, then they should have no problem receiving torture themselves.

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Creampuff said: Torture is a useful tool. Even if there's no real information that comes out of torturing someone, they are given the treatment that they inflicted on someone else. The "eye for an eye" theory, which is stated in the Bible. If they believe in torturing innoscent people, then they should have no problem receiving torture themselves.

 

Hmmm, So does that mean, I can pull Bush's, Cheney's, Rice, Teeth out, one by one?

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Torture???  By who's definition?  Piling people in a naked pyramid is NOT torture!  Putting underwear on a prisoner's head is NOT torture!  Getting an attack dog to bark at a prisoner is NOT torture!  Flushing pages of the koran down the toilet is NOT torture! 

Cutting heads off IS torture.  Burning bodies alive IS torture.  Breaking every bone in one's body IS torture!  Hanging bodies from a bridge IS torture!  Dragging naking bodies through town on the ground at the back of a truck or car or horse or camel IS torture.  As far as I know, we aren't doing any of that crap.  But guess who is?  Forgive me if I shed no tears here for the "poor" souls at Gitmo or anywhere else!

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That's entirely up to you Burnse.  Your choice or not.

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 This is Tourture!

He repeatdetly says "Kill me, Kill me, Kill me"

This is something Jesus would be proud of, thats for sure.

This is winning the hearts and minds around the world.

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Listening to Rap Music to me is torture. 

Torture works it made McCain a parrot.

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(CM) theSuperPatriot said: That's entirely up to you Burnse.  Your choice or not.

 

Like I told you, Tourture is a tool of the devil.

Torture is very Un-Christian!

 They sould be put on trial for Treason, for various violations, and if found guilty, die a traitors death.

They all seem to be forgetting their oath of office.

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Poll finds broad approval of terrorist torture
Most in U.S., Britain, France, S. Korea say torture justified in rare instances

WASHINGTON - Most Americans and a majority of people in Britain, France and South Korea say torturing terrorism suspects is justified at least in rare instances, according to AP-Ipsos polling.

The United States has drawn criticism from human rights groups and many governments, especially in Europe, for its treatment of terror suspects. President Bush and other top officials have said the U.S. does not torture, but some suspects in American custody have alleged they were victims of severe mistreatment.

The polling, in the United States and eight of its closest allies, found that in Canada, Mexico and Germany people are divided on whether torture is ever justified. Most people opposed torture under any circumstances in Spain and Italy.

I don’t think we should go out and string everybody up by their thumbs until somebody talks. But if there is definitely a good reason to get an answer, we should do whatever it takes, said Billy Adams, a retiree from Tomball, Texas.

In America, 61 percent of those surveyed agreed torture is justified at least on rare occasions. Almost nine in 10 in South Korea and just over half in France and Britain felt that way.

Accusations of torture, reports of secret CIA prisons in Eastern Europe and claims of shadowy flights carrying terrorist suspects have further strained U.S. relations with some European countries.

Mariella Salvi, who works for a humanitarian organization in Rome, said: Human beings, as well as their rights, have to be defended, no matter what individuals are suspected of, or charged for.

The disagreements make cooperation on law enforcement and counterterrorism more difficult, said Lee Feinstein of the Council on Foreign Relations, a group of scholars and other specialists in foreign policy.

61% that more votes than either Presidential Candidates ever get.

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If 61% of American's were atheists, do you think that would sway my belief in Jesus Christ?

 You post a poll on the morality of torture, thinking that was going to sway my opnion???? Are you serious?

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But they're part (61%) of the 90 percent American good Christians.  You have  your choice and opinion, nobody is trying to sway you.  You're entitled to your opinion and we ours. 

None of your business if I am or am not serious.  That is outside the question 'Should we torture prisoners?  (yes) Does it even work?' (yes).

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If I was getting my fingers cut off, what would I say, to get them to stop?

Answer: Anything they wanted to hear.

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Burnse said:

If I was getting my fingers cut off, what would I say, to get them to stop?

Answer: Anything they wanted to hear.

 

   I just threw the finger cutting thing out there. If that is actually happening I have not heard about it.    I did not do it as well, but I was trying to make Patsy's point that we need a little more defining as to what consitutes "torture".    As you stated,  in this PC world "name calling"  is considered torture to some liberals and injury lawyers.  Rap Music would have me or SP giving up bank account numbers, you name it.   

   I just don't appreciate the broad brush used to describe things in our society.   Our government excesses are built on phony terms with other completely differnet agendas.   For example Hillary's CDF Childrens Defense Fund actually busted up families more than it defended children, The ACLU is against us 90% of the time.    Is water boarding torture ?  Is isolation and sleep deprivation torture ?   

 I am personally against Torture, real torture but not sure I mind uncomfortable questioning techniques in a time of war. I can be swayed on this and maybe if we could get the rest of the world to agree to a Geneva Convention type of mandate and actually follow it, I would be more apt to say let each country's intelligence agencies to the dirty work for the sake of our own prisoners well-being.  That would be a pipe dream though I guess.

 

TG

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Burnse said:

Creampuff said: Torture is a useful tool. Even if there's no real information that comes out of torturing someone, they are given the treatment that they inflicted on someone else. The "eye for an eye" theory, which is stated in the Bible. If they believe in torturing innoscent people, then they should have no problem receiving torture themselves.

 

Hmmm, So does that mean, I can pull Bush's, Cheney's, Rice, Teeth out, one by one?

There wouldn't be any complaints from me. But, I would suggest it be their tongues, for lying so much.

This is the passage from Exodus 21:23-25 - If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

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I don't think we should torture prisoners.......

But on the other hand, we shouldn't be taking any prisoners. 

Dead men tell no tales.

Dead men aren't repeat offenders.

Dead men can't build more bombs.

Dead men scare the ones that aren't dead.

Let God sort it out.

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This is Tourture!

He repeatdetly says "Kill me, Kill me, Kill me"

 

Where exactly was the torture in that video?  Being asked questions in a calm voice is torture?  Pffffffft.  Puh-leeze!  Give me a break!

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