We should have a thread in which we can let ideas flow.....one thought running into another, without getting off topic.  Let's have fun, let's agree or disagree.

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My thanks and appreciation, elaina, for starting this thread.  I'm sure all the mods appreciate it too, since all roads on all threads seem to lead to this "globalism" issue.  How many warnings have we been given to stay on topic, but the truth of the matter is, we are ALL trying to expose this monster for what it is......not some vague indefinable thing with two heads in the form of our present presidential candidates, but a concrete danger of immense proportions.

If you read other posts on other threads, it seems many of us all come to the subject matter of globalism sooner or later because we see it as the threat to America that it really is.  The fact that the global elite have successfully hidden it from the public eye gives credence to their power in terms of money and greed!  They own the MSM.  They buy countries.  They own the Federal Reserve.  They start wars!  They own our very government and they think they own our very souls!  (Perhaps soon, if all goes as planned, maybe they really will!)  They have been in charge of our government in the form of the CFR since at least 1954.

Others simply try to poo-poo it away or disguise it as the Leftist Agenda. Let's call it what it really is.  Let's be united in our efforts to fight the very thing that threatens us most!   I say, in view of all the publications by credentialed, believable people, warnings to patriots by various accredited authors and lecturers, and the on-going destruction of this country by those who have been duped into their ideology, (one that they don't even bother to hide from our view any longer,) the New World Order as defined by Papa Bush IS HERE.  We can no longer IGNORE IT or try to explain it away!  Every president since Wilson has endorsed it.  (Excuse me, Reagan might have been the exception and we can thank him that we still have at least the illusion of a sovereign nation.)

WAKE UP AMERICA!  We need to educate our fellow patriots by our dialogue and continued discovery...unearthing and exposing this evil plan, finally, FOR WHAT IT REALLY IS!

 

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I have my own conspiracy theories and would like to share---Can I post them on this forum? 

Thanks

Oh good grief, here we go.....

 

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Chances said:

I have my own conspiracy theories and would like to share---Can I post them on this forum? 

Thanks

 

This thread is for those who believe in NWO, for those who don't and the ones undecided.  Any or all other ideas, however off topic they are can be posted.  Thus the title.

I would like to have a discussion thread in which I can veer a bit off course without being reprimanded, that's all.  If that is against a rule, I apoligize in advance. 

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You may have this thread as long as the information within is CREDIBLE.....

Many of the links used by those who are totally enamored with conspiracy theories are bogus and factless.....

Warning number 1...ANY mention of 9/11 being a conspiracy and this thread is FINISHED! Get it?

You will NOT tread on the memories of those who lost their lives that day......you will NOT cheapen the memory of those who also gave their lives that day to save others...or I will delete this entire thread and it will be gone...

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I have been posting on FS long enough for all of you to know that:

I love this Country

My heart goes out to those who lost their lives on that awful day

I am a Condervative

I am a Patriot 

What on God's Earth is wrong with that?

 

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I was simply making it abundantly clear elaina... I will not put up with that kind of abuse....

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(CM) BiotechBabe said:

Oh good grief, here we go.....

 

 

BTB:  You make me laugh so hard!  You are generally a good sport and we love you!  We promise to be good.....and trust me on this one.....this will be a very important and credible thread!

What I said above is true.  All threads lead to globalism.  That's why we all get into so much trouble with Deerhunter!   I hope this thread will help us all define the "angst" among us..... a German word, and I know you know German, BTB!   

I pray we may have an intelligent, defining, discussion so that we may all point the finger at the enemy and know him and his designs.  Greg Badger has many times said that we have to know our enemy.  Let's find him on this thread!

Go Chances, but please give us factual information so that we may discern whether or not it deserves any merit!

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Labrador said:

(CM) BiotechBabe said:

Oh good grief, here we go.....

 

 

BTB:  You make me laugh so hard!  You are generally a good sport and we love you!  We promise to be good.....and trust me on this one.....this will be a very important and credible thread!

What I said above is true.  All threads lead to globalism.  That's why we all get into so much trouble with Deerhunter!   I hope this thread will help us all define the "angst" among us..... a German word, and I know you know German, BTB!   

I pray we may have an intelligent, defining, discussion so that we may all point the finger at the enemy and know him and his designs.  Greg Badger has many times said that we have to know our enemy.  Let's find him on this thread!

Go Chances, but please give us factual information so that we may discern whether or not it deserves any merit!

 

I'm just so fed up with all of the "panic" and Paranoia Labrador..and I love you too by the way. We don't always agree but I appreciate your efforts to pursue the truth.

Ich verstehe Labrador! 

I am NOT poo-pooing EVERYTHING....as a matter of fact (in between research for a new job) I am reading a book on secret societies...and yes, our dear old friend the CFR is in there as well as the Free Masons....msbobbie would be very proud of me for still trying to search for the truth.

I understand that people panic......I guess I'm a little more laid back in that regard- sometimes!

But JUST THE FACTS, okay guys?!

 

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 Although this is a dated article, the relevancy cannot be denied.  Don't be shy........anyone smarter than me want to tackle this one?

The Threat of Globalization

By Edward S. Herman

New Politics
vol. 7, no. 2 (new series), whole no. 26
Winter 1999

Globalization is both an active process of corporate expansion across borders and a structure of cross-border facilities and economic linkages that has been steadily growing and changing as the process gathers steam. Like its conceptual partner "free trade," globalization is also an ideology, whose function is to reduce any resistance to the process by making it seem both highly beneficent and unstoppable.

And as with free trade, while globalization may sometimes yield economic benefits, both the process and economic-political regime it is helping bring about threaten progressive ends, and should be recognized as such and fought at every level. Admittedly this is a formidable task, as the economic and political power of its beneficiaries, and its momentum, are great and contesting it seems an almost utopian undertaking. But globalization has its vulnerabilities, and attacking it intellectually, at the local level of plant abandonments and moves, as well as at the national political level can help build understanding and support for a larger oppositional movement.

Globalization as Ideology

Globalization is just one of an array of concepts and arguing points that have been mobilized to advance the corporate agenda. Others have been deregulation and getting government off our backs, balancing the budget, cutting back entitlements (non-corporate), and free trade.

Like free trade, globalization has an aura of virtue. Just as "freedom" must be good, so globalization hints at internationalism and solidarity between countries, as opposed to nationalism and protectionism, which have negative connotations. The possibility that cross-border trade and investment might be economically damaging to the weaker party, or that they might erode democratic controls in both the stronger and weaker countries, is excluded from consideration by mainstream economists and pundits.[fn 1] It is also unthinkable in the mainstream that the contest between free trade and globalization, on the one hand, and "protectionism," on the other, might be reworded as a struggle between "protection"--of transnational corporate (TNC) rights--versus the "freedom" of democratic governments to regulate in the interests of domestic non-corporate constituencies.

As an ideology, globalization connotes not only freedom and internationalism, but, as it helps realize the benefits of free trade, and thus comparative advantage and the division of labor, it also supposedly enhances efficiency and productivity. Because of these virtues, and the alleged inability of governments to halt "progress," globalization is widely perceived as beyond human control, which further weakens resistance.

The Economic Failure of Globalization

As the globalization process has been engineered by corporate elites, and serves their interests, they have successfully conveyed the impression that globalization is not only inevitable but has been a great success. This is fallacious. Even ignoring for the moment its distributional effects, globalization has been marked by substantial declines in rates of output, productivity, and investment growth. Under the new regime of enhanced financial mobility and power, with greater volatility of financial markets and increased risk, real interest rates have risen substantially. The average rate of the G-7 countries (U.S., Britain, France, Italy, Germany, Canada and Japan) has gone from 0.4 percent, 1971- 82, to 4.6 percent, 1983-94.[fn 2] This has discouraged long term investment in new plant and equipment and stimulated spending on the re-equipment of old facilities along with a large volume of essentially financial transactions--mergers, buybacks of stock, financial maneuvers, and speculative activities. This may help explain why overall productivity growth [fn 3] in the countries that are members of the OECD fell from 3.3%, 1960-73 to 0.8%, 1973- 95, or by some 75 percent. Gross fixed investment fell from 6.1%, 1959-1970, to roughly 3.1% thereafter, or by half. OECD country annual rates of growth of real GDP fell from 4.8%, 1959-1970 to 2.8%, 1971-94, or by 42 percent.

But the elites have done well despite the slackened productivity growth. Because globalization has helped keep wages down, while increasing real interest rates, the upper 5 percent of households have been able to skim off a large fraction of the reduced productivity gains, thereby permitting elite incomes and stock market values to rise rapidly. But it was a different story for the global majority. Income inequality rose markedly both within and between countries. In the United States, despite a 35 percent increase in productivity between 1973 and 1995, the median real wage rate was lower in the latter year. Inequality rose to levels of 70 years earlier, and underemployment, job insecurity, benefit loss, and worker speedup under "lean" production systems all increased. [fn 4 Insecurity is functional. As Alan Greenspan complacently explained to Congress in 1997, wage rates were stagnant in this country because worker insecurity was high. [fn 5] That this high insecurity level reduced the well-being of the affected workers did not bother Greenspan, or Congress and the mainstream media.

The gap in incomes between the 20 percent of the world's population in the richest and poorest countries has grown from 30 to 1 in 1960 to 82 to 1 in 1995, and Third World conditions have in many respects worsened. Per capita incomes have fallen in more than 70 countries over the past 20 years; some 3 billion people--half the world's population, live on under two dollars a day; and 800 million suffer from malnutrition. [fn 6] In the Third World unemployment and underemployment are rampant, massive poverty exists side-by-side with growing elite affluence, and 75 million people a year or more seeking asylum or employment in the North, as Third World governments allow virtually unrestricted capital flight and seek no options but to attract foreign investment. [fn 7]

The new global order has also been characterized by increased financial volatility, and from the Third World debt crisis of the early 1980s to the Mexican breakdown of 1994-95 to the current Asian debacle, financial crises have become more and more threatening. With increasing privatization and deregulation, the discrepancy between the power of unregulated financial forces and that of governments and regulatory bodies increases and the potential for a global breakdown steadily enlarges.

Only an elite perspective permits this record to be regarded as an economic success.

Globalization as an Attack on Democracy

The globalization of recent decades was never a democratic choice by the peoples of the world--the process has been business driven, by business strategies and tactics, for business ends. Governments have helped, by incremental policy actions, and by larger actions that were often taken in secret, without national debate and discussion of where the entire process was taking the community. In the case of some major actions advancing the globalization process, like passing the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) or joining the European Monetary Union (EMU), publics have been subjected to massive propaganda campaigns by the interested business-media elites. In the United States, public opinion polls showed the general public against NAFTA even after incessant propaganda, but the mass media supported it, [fn 8] and it was passed. In Europe as well, polls have shown persistent majorities opposed to the introduction of the Euro, but a powerful elite supports it, so that it moves forward.

This undemocratic process, carried out within a democratic facade, is consistent with the distribution of benefits and costs of globalization, and the fact that globalization has been a tool serving elite interests. Globalization has also steadily weakened democracy, partly as a result of unplanned effects, but also because the containment of labor costs and scaling down of the welfare state has required the business minority to establish firm control of the state and remove its capacity to respond to the demands of the majority. The mix of deliberate and unplanned elements in globalization's antidemocratic thrust can be seen in each aspect of the attack process.

The assault on labor. One of the main objectives of TNC movement abroad has been to tap cheaper labor sources. Labor is often cheapest, and least prone to cause employer problems, in authoritarian states that curb unions and enter into virtual joint venture arrangements with foreign capital, as in Suharto's Indonesia and PRI's Mexico. Capital moves to such friendly investment climes in an arbitrage process, shifting resources from the more expensive to the less costly locale, in a process that penalizes and thereby weakens democracy.

The actual shift of capital abroad, and the use of the external option to drive hard bargains at home, has weakened labor. Labor has also been weakened by deliberate government policies of tight money and restrictive budget policies to contain inflation, at the expense of high unemployment. These policies, and the incessant focus on labor market "flexibility" as the solution to the unemployment problem, reflect a corporate and antilabor policy agenda, fully institutionalized. There have even been more open and direct attacks on organized labor--both Reagan and Thatcher engaged in union busting, and the latter was quite explicit in her aim to weaken labor as a political force. [fn 9] Democracy, according to pluralistic theory, is said to rest on the existence of intermediate groups, like labor organizations, that can bargain and work on behalf of an otherwise atomized population. The deliberate weakening of such groups is thus an attack on democracy.

The ideological campaign. In the United States, Britain, Canada, and other countries the business community has also mounted a sustained ideological campaign to make their preferred policies part of common understanding. These campaigns have proceeded in parallel with globalization and have been remarkably similar, reflecting the global flow of ideology and overlapping sources of funding. The favored neoliberal ideology pushes the idea that the market can do it all, that government is a burden and threat, and that deregulation and privatization are inherently good and inevitable. It presses an extreme individualism and the value of "personal responsibility," which is highly advantageous to corporate power, leaving bargaining between large firms and isolated individuals. Collective and community values, the threat of externalities and ecological damage from unconstrained business growth, free market instability--all are shunted aside in this ideological system. This ideological campaign has been highly successful, because vast sums of business money fed to intellectuals and think-tanks, and business domination of the mass media, has allowed their views to prevail. Heritage Foundation leader Edwin Feulner has described the strategy of his corporate- funded and globally linked thinktank as analogous to Procter & Gamble's in selling soap--saturate the market with messages that overwhelm any that are less well funded. [fn 10] But this is a corruption of democracy; it is a bought market of ideas, not a free market of ideas.

Capturing or immobilizing governments. The business community has also mounted a powerful effort to dominate governments--either by capture or by limiting their ability to serve ordinary citizens. Globalization has contributed to this effort, partly by the arbitraging process mentioned earlier, which favors authoritarian rule. Apart from this, by enlarging business profits and weakening labor it has shifted the balance of power further toward business, so that political parties have been even more decisively influenced by business money in elections. In the United States, it is notorious that Mr. Clinton has sought and received enormous sums from business and serves their interests almost exclusively, with only token efforts on behalf of the major nonbusiness constituencies of the Democratic Party. The globalizing corporate media have added their growing strength to the advance of neoliberal ideology and opposition to any vestiges of social democracy, making social democratic policies difficult to implement. The Murdoch effect on British elections, and the current Murdoch-Blair connection illustrates the point.[fn 11]

Another well-known and important antidemocratic force is the power of global financial markets to limit political options. Social democratic policies make for an unfavorable investment climate. Businesses will therefore respond to politicians and acts serving ordinary citizens with threatened or actual exit. Financial market effects on exchange and interest rates can be extremely rapid and damaging to the economy. Spokespersons for the new global economy actually brag about the ability of capital to penalize "unsound" policies, and the fact that money capital now rules.[fn 12]

These business efforts, aided and validated by the IMF and by media support, regularly cause social democrats to retreat to policies acceptable to the rulers. Thus, in country after country social democratic parties have accepted neoliberalism, despite the contrary preferences of great majorities of their voting constituencies.[fn 13] But this means that nominal democracy is no longer able to serve ordinary citizens, making elections meaningless and democracy empty of substance. This helps explain why half or more of eligible U.S. voters no longer participate in national elections.

Supra-national limits on democracy--the New (TNC) Protectionism. Not satisfied with this level of political control, the business community has pushed for international agreements, and policy actions by the IMF and World Bank, that further encroach on the ability of democratic polities to act on behalf of their constituencies.

These agreements and the demands of the international financial institutions invariably call for precisely the policies desired by the TNC community. The EMU conditions give primacy to budget constraints and inflation control, in accord with the neoliberal and corporate agenda. GATT, the WTO, and the NAFTA agreement also give top priority to corporate investor and intellectual property rights, to which all other considerations must give way. In the early 1980s, the IMF and World Bank took advantage of the Third World debt crisis and used their leverage with numerous distressed Third World borrowers to force their acceptance of Structural Adjustment Programs. These forced the borrowing countries to agree to give first priority to external debt repayment, private as well as government; it compelled them to adapt austerity programs of tight money and budget cutbacks focusing heavily on social expenditures affecting the poor and ordinary citizens; it forced a stress on exports, which help generate foreign exchange to allow debt repayment and that more closely integrate the borrower's economy into the global system; and it stressed privatization, allegedly in the interest of efficiency, but serving both to help balance the budget without tax increases and to provide openings for TNC investment in the troubled economy. The IMF is doing the same in Asia today.

A second characteristic of the new agreements and IMF-World Bank actions is their denial of democratic rights to non-corporate citizens and elected governments. These are subordinated to the rights of corporate investors, the superior class of global citizens with priority over all others and beneficiaries of the New TNC Protectionism. In the NAFTA agreement, governments are denied in advance the right to take on new functions; any not asserted now are left to the private sector and to the superior class of citizens. In these agreements, also, and even more aggressively in the Multilateral Agreement on Investment now under consideration, the global TNCs have no responsibilities and none can be imposed on them. They can fire people, abandon communities, fatally damage the environment, push local companies out of business, and purvey cultural trash at their full discretion. They can or will be able to sue governments, and disagreements are to be settled by unelected panels outside the control of democratic governments.

A third characteristic of the new agreements and IMF-World Bank actions is that they rest not only on neoliberal theory but on a false reading of recent experience and economic history. As noted earlier, globalization so far has been a productivity failure, a social disaster, and a threat to stability. The claim of its proponents that free trade is the route to economic growth is also confuted by longer historic experience: no country, past or present, has taken off into sustained economic growth and moved from economic backwardness to modernity without large-scale government protection and subsidization of infant industries and other modes of insulation from domination by powerful outsiders. This includes Great Britain, the United States, Japan, Germany, South Korea and Taiwan, all highly protectionist in the earlier takeoff phases of their growth process.[fn 14] The governments and institutions bargaining on behalf of the TNCs today, through the IMF, World Bank, WTO and NAFTA, have been able to remove these modes of protection from less developed countries. This threatens them with extensive takeovers from abroad, thoroughgoing integration into foreign economic systems as "branch plant economies," preservation in a state of dependence and underdevelopment, and most particularly, an inability to protect their majorities from the ravages of neoliberal top-down development priorities.

Concluding Note

In sum, we are in the midst of an antidemocratic counterrevolution in which globalization and its imperatives are being used to weaken popular and elected authority in favor of a system of domination by super-citizens, the TNCs. This process sows the seeds of its own destruction, as it serves a small global minority, damages the majority, breeds financial instability, and exacerbates the environmental crisis. Its destructive tendencies are likely to produce an explosion if the process is not contained and democracy is not rehabilitated.

Halting this antidemocratic juggernaut will be difficult, not only because of the power of its beneficiaries, but also because it operates within the framework of nominally democratic structures and musters plausible arguments. But these arguments are self- serving and wrong, and should be vigorously contested. An agenda should be advanced that serves ordinary citizens rather than the TNCs and financial institutions. Negatively, this agenda will include strenuous opposition to all supranational arrangements that take power out of the hands of democratic governments to serve some alleged economic need. Positively, the agenda requires support for the imposition of serious limits and responsibilities on TNCs, including capital controls and other deterrents to financial speculation. Pursuit of this agenda is going to require a combination of understanding and effective organization of the large majority who are the victims of globalization.

 

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If this is to far off the wall, accept my apologies--If this has your understanding of merit, then think about it.

News media: Britany, Madonna, Brinkley, Anna Nicole Smith, abducted Amber alert children, etc, mostly white race, all command the media attention........

move to politics---it was the republicans who appointed blacks---Clarence Thomas, Rice,  Colin Powel,  etc.... Dems gave status to Jackson and Sharpton but not hierachy positions-----

Point is, media gives far more attention to white scandals, abducted children, crimes of incest, (recent LDS), etc. while William Jefferson Clinton and his bag of frozen asssts, Black cops raiding supermarkets after Katrina, black crimes against children and so much more, barely get mentioned--

Democrats give blacks lip service and promises as opposed to honorable positions ---until now but will grant this man the highest honor 

Enter Obama: A man who gets daily media praise and attention and all the support from liberals and democratic candidates running for president who originally opposed him, live and on stage; Obama is to young, uneducated, inexperinced --- He now holds both media and dems in his palms.

Why? What changed?

Could it be that when NWO takes complete effect, it will be under a black man so we can lay this at the feet of this fall guy? Traditionally, one who holds office of president gets the blame for all that goes wrong. Shoving us into a one world socialist order under a president Obama eliminates blame for white politicians who set this in motion years ago----and divides all "us peasants" even more. Dividing society, rich/poor, black/white, haves/havenots is a political gaming, economic plan.

What say you?

Chances said:

If this is to far off the wall, accept my apologies--If this has your understanding of merit, then think about it.

News media: Britany, Madonna, Brinkley, Anna Nicole Smith, abducted Amber alert children, etc, mostly white race, all command the media attention........

move to politics---it was the republicans who appointed blacks---Clarence Thomas, Rice,  Colin Powel,  etc.... Dems gave status to Jackson and Sharpton but not hierachy positions-----

Point is, media gives far more attention to white scandals, abducted children, crimes of incest, (recent LDS), etc. while William Jefferson Clinton and his bag of frozen asssts, Black cops raiding supermarkets after Katrina, black crimes against children and so much more, barely get mentioned--

Democrats give blacks lip service and promises as opposed to honorable positions ---until now but will grant this man the highest honor 

Enter Obama: A man who gets daily media praise and attention and all the support from liberals and democratic candidates running for president who originally opposed him, live and on stage; Obama is to young, uneducated, inexperinced --- He now holds both media and dems in his palms.

Why? What changed?

Could it be that when NWO takes complete effect, it will be under a black man so we can lay this at the feet of this fall guy? Traditionally, one who holds office of president gets the blame for all that goes wrong. Shoving us into a one world socialist order under a president Obama eliminates blame for white politicians who set this in motion years ago----and divides all "us peasants" even more. Dividing society, rich/poor, black/white, haves/havenots is a political gaming, economic plan.

What say you?

 

I agree Chances. It is classic DIVIDE AND RULE.  Idealistic whites and long-disenfranchised blacks think a vote for Obama will magically "fix" our broken system.  And giving Republicans McCain to vote for...the only reason I see for voting for McCain is he MIGHT keep the Supreme Court precariously balanced in favor of our right to bear arms--that's the knife I feel against my throat.  Once that is gone...then the indifferent wheels of the New World Order machine can crush us almost without a second thought-- Democrat, Republican, Independent, etc. all alike.  But we are playing chess with pure evil.  As long as the powers that be can keep us infighting with each other, the easier it is for them to do their thing. We just have to keep going, reading, writing, learning, sharing.  The plug could be pulled on the internet any day...But I have faith that too too many people are awake, that no one and no thing can put the truth in prison, and that something very beautiful is emerging from the darkness of ignorance and despair...

marcele said:

Chances said:

If this is to far off the wall, accept my apologies--If this has your understanding of merit, then think about it.

News media: Britany, Madonna, Brinkley, Anna Nicole Smith, abducted Amber alert children, etc, mostly white race, all command the media attention........

move to politics---it was the republicans who appointed blacks---Clarence Thomas, Rice,  Colin Powel,  etc.... Dems gave status to Jackson and Sharpton but not hierachy positions-----

Point is, media gives far more attention to white scandals, abducted children, crimes of incest, (recent LDS), etc. while William Jefferson Clinton and his bag of frozen asssts, Black cops raiding supermarkets after Katrina, black crimes against children and so much more, barely get mentioned--

Democrats give blacks lip service and promises as opposed to honorable positions ---until now but will grant this man the highest honor 

Enter Obama: A man who gets daily media praise and attention and all the support from liberals and democratic candidates running for president who originally opposed him, live and on stage; Obama is to young, uneducated, inexperinced --- He now holds both media and dems in his palms.

Why? What changed?

Could it be that when NWO takes complete effect, it will be under a black man so we can lay this at the feet of this fall guy? Traditionally, one who holds office of president gets the blame for all that goes wrong. Shoving us into a one world socialist order under a president Obama eliminates blame for white politicians who set this in motion years ago----and divides all "us peasants" even more. Dividing society, rich/poor, black/white, haves/havenots is a political gaming, economic plan.

What say you?

 

I agree Chances. It is classic DIVIDE AND RULE.  Idealistic whites and long-disenfranchised blacks think a vote for Obama will magically "fix" our broken system.  And giving Republicans McCain to vote for...the only reason I see for voting for McCain is he MIGHT keep the Supreme Court precariously balanced in favor of our right to bear arms--that's the knife I feel against my throat.  Once that is gone...then the indifferent wheels of the New World Order machine can crush us almost without a second thought-- Democrat, Republican, Independent, etc. all alike.  But we are playing chess with pure evil.  As long as the powers that be can keep us infighting with each other, the easier it is for them to do their thing. We just have to keep going, reading, writing, learning, sharing.  The plug could be pulled on the internet any day...But I have faith that too too many people are awake, that no one and no thing can put the truth in prison, and that something very beautiful is emerging from the darkness of ignorance and despair...

Beautiful post, marcele - you have much insight and spiritual discernment.  Afterall, for those of us who believe scripture, this is not a physical fight, but a purely spiritual one - against the principalities of darkness and evil.

I, as well, believe the Lord will honor the fact that our nation was founded on Christian principles, and even tho we have turned our face away from Him, if we but cry out in our distress, He will hear us........and SAVE US.

And I pray for those in government who do deeds in darkness, that ALL of the truth will be exposed in the light in HIS time!

 

 

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Since some of you are in agreement, let me pose this:

Our local radio station reports that Obama does not have a valid birth certificate---ie: his comes from Hawaii where no records are kept. Schwartzenegar would now be able to run for office if he used the same tactic. Is this true? 

Where was he born? Is he legal to run for president under the Constitution, Article 2, Section 1?  

Was Obama a pawn (puppet, stooge) prepped and set up to be used in this manner? 

Listen to his speeches. This man cannot speak without trying to weigh each and every word unless his speech was written for him and on a teleprompter.

In talking to the military hirearchy, he said judgement is the most important  asset a man can bring to the presidency.

He fails miserably

Again I say, this man was chosen by the elitists (who own the media) to run for office and to push us farther into a One World Order---

Chances said:

Since some of you are in agreement, let me pose this:

Our local radio station reports that Obama does not have a valid birth certificate---ie: his comes from Hawaii where no records are kept. Schwartzenegar would now be able to run for office if he used the same tactic. Is this true? 

Where was he born? Is he legal to run for president under the Constitution, Article 2, Section 1?  

Was Obama a pawn (puppet, stooge) prepped and set up to be used in this manner? 

Listen to his speeches. This man cannot speak without trying to weigh each and every word unless his speech was written for him and on a teleprompter.

In talking to the military hirearchy, he said judgement is the most important  asset a man can bring to the presidency.

He fails miserably

Again I say, this man was chosen by the elitists (who own the media) to run for office and to push us farther into a One World Order---

 

Chances - I cannot, off the top of my head answer your questions; however I think some researched this on another thread.

However, I say to you, it is not just Obama who was chosen to further the agenda of the OWO, but it is also McCain. Both candidates have been approved.....will the elite leave the choice up to us?  Perhaps......(I personally still believe - despite the polls - that McCain will win the election), but either way, those who rule the world have their bases covered.  And please don't forget, this has been going on for nearly 100 years!  They seem to have accelerated their plans as the global "progress" and re-structuring takes over more portions of the world, but none of this is new. 

The good thing is that there have been so many recent books, publications, talk shows, lectures, internet articles, etc. that everyone has, by now, heard of it.  Many simply reject it - perhaps it's denial of the evil, or they think it too fantastic to be a credible plan.   

 

 

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Laborador,

AMEN!  I didn't know you were that far advanced in knowing BOTH political parties have been bought --

I learned this message from:

Fleshing out Skull and Bones, Anthony Sutton

The True story Bilderberg Group, Daniel Estulin

The Naked Capatlist, W. Cleon Skousen

Undue Influence, Ron Arnold

Hope of the Wicked, Ted Flynn

AND... Report from Iron Mountain, a previously censored book

now google "10 points of the Communist Manifesto"

We are there...each person in office adds a little more in pushing the United States into global government. Makes no difference if his name is McCain or Obama, Bush or Clinton, both parties and the media is OWNED by elitists.

Environmental Protection Agency is a shell organization hell bent on Communisim--they do not protect environment but help "create jobs at the expense of taxpayers"  Not at all works of the Constitution but those of a corrupt government.  

I will not hold my nose to support either corrupt party or their candidates.

Great Thread Elaina! My thoughts...Obama has been chosen, yes, because we are in an age of thought police. He himself has told us what we can and cannot speak about (his wife, for instance). This paves the way for NWO to keep us quiet in fear of being "racists". What more perfect way to keep people in line. Yes, white guilt, black retribution are also reasons for voting for him by the uninformed.  However, the third element, a relative of white guilt you might say, is thought police. I will never feel that I have to check myself before criticizing a politician's job performance or ethics. I sense that they are readying us for the opposite.

McCain, I believe is the loser's pawn. The Republicans have failed miserably. This administration seems determined to leave our Republic in shambles with its sell-out to China, Big Business and the global elites. He has a snowball's chance in hell of winning. And, as a conservative, I sincerely hope I'm wrong about all of the above.

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Another excellent book, Chances, is "Whatever Happened to America" by Jon Spokes (psedonym Jon Christian Ryter.)  You will re-read American history (the correct version this time) and it will take you step by step to understanding where we are today.  The only one in your list above that I have read is "The Bilderberg Group."

Oh, and another excellent one is "Takeover" by Charlie Savage.

Most will just shrug these off as "DREADED CONSPIRACY THEORIES", totally missing the point and not caring that any theory needs to be tested for truth.  They won't be able to shrug these off much longer......as it becomes clearer and we move closer to the destruction of our sovereignty, I'm afraid many are going to experience the shock of their lives when they find out that all those articles and publications, all those books, all the warnings really did have merit!

 

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Labradore,  I was set straight today from Judicial Watch on Obamas birth certificate--he is indeed eligible to be president---

Thanks for the tip on a good book--- 

Funny how individuals can write about the same topics, arrive at the same conclusions when these authors are not related.

Any thinking American can watch and read and decide for themselves on the truth but it becomes painful to realize they've been duped---for years--like suddenly discovering Santa and the Easter Bunny are fakes.

Once the pain subsides, patriot thinkers/fighters will emerge--lets pray it won't be to late.

 

The books I mentioned won't make the best sellers list---Naturally!