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July 2, 2008 02:29 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Can we all please stop referring to Socialists and Commies as Liberals.  All of us here, know they stand against liberty but many of the electorate actually do not.  The Left created the term Liberal to deceive voters just as every other label or bill they push such as the "Fairness Doctrine"  We play into their trap by allowing them to dictate the terminology.  Liberals are opposed to Liberty,  Progressives are against progress, Democrats hate Democracy, and they are all the same Socialists and Communists.

Although most people now use the term in the pejorative, millions still believe Liberals stand for Liberty.  Many on the Left still proudly declare "I am a Liberal, I am for Liberty".  Young people forming their political identity are easily duped by the Left's deceptive language and many citizens simply ignore politics as a result of the confusing and contradictory terminology. Confusion always translates into votes for the Left.  We must be consistent and call them Socialists and Communists even if they start calling themselves the Fantastic party.  We can have an impact right now on the edification of the newest voting block.

When the FCC shuts down talk radio, will we call them the Liberal FCC?  When the IRS takes 80% of our money, will we call them the Liberal IRS?  When the Supreme Court abolishes our Constitutional rights bit by bit, will it be the Liberal Supreme Court?  When the government takes over industry such as the oil companies, will we call them the Liberal controlled industries?  It is disgraceful how they have desecrated the most sacred word in our culture! 

 

July 2, 2008 03:38 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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My interpretation:

 

I am a liberal. I believe there is no God, we should all practice homosexuality and abortion on demand up until three months after birth.

Open our borders to give food and work to the rest of the world. Tax our gas up to $10 a gallon to cover health costs for the world. Teach our elementary school children about anal and oral sex. Lock up any parent who protests. No prayer, no creches, no mention of God anywhere.

Footbaths at public expense for the Muslims. Matters of marriage will be handled for Muslims in a Muslim court under Muslim law.

Meth manufacturing licenses to be granted to Mexicans from the cartel.

 

July 2, 2008 04:00 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Don't forget same sex marriage and free porn on local TV channels.


To change the direction of this country, you must change the people who you have entrusted. Do not stand by and let others tell you what is good for your country. Vote these carpet baggers out of office.
July 2, 2008 04:14 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Or the U.S. Constitution as a "living" document.


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July 4, 2008 02:03 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Comment updated July 4, 2008 02:13 PM
the anti Dean Yeeeaaah said:

 

Can we all please stop referring to Socialists and Commies as Liberals.  All of us here, know they stand against liberty but many of the electorate actually do not.  The Left created the term Liberal to deceive voters just as every other label or bill they push such as the "Fairness Doctrine"  We play into their trap by allowing them to dictate the terminology.  Liberals are opposed to Liberty,  Progressives are against progress, Democrats hate Democracy, and they are all the same Socialists and Communists.

Although most people now use the term in the pejorative, millions still believe Liberals stand for Liberty.  Many on the Left still proudly declare "I am a Liberal, I am for Liberty".  Young people forming their political identity are easily duped by the Left's deceptive language and many citizens simply ignore politics as a result of the confusing and contradictory terminology. Confusion always translates into votes for the Left.  We must be consistent and call them Socialists and Communists even if they start calling themselves the Fantastic party.  We can have an impact right now on the edification of the newest voting block.

When the FCC shuts down talk radio, will we call them the Liberal FCC?  When the IRS takes 80% of our money, will we call them the Liberal IRS?  When the Supreme Court abolishes our Constitutional rights bit by bit, will it be the Liberal Supreme Court?  When the government takes over industry such as the oil companies, will we call them the Liberal controlled industries?  It is disgraceful how they have desecrated the most sacred word in our culture! 

 

Sorry for the correction, anti Dean, but comprehensive "democracy" is Socialism and/or Communism.

How did I get there? ...

True and comprehensive "democracy" is where 51% of the people control, manipulate, tyrannize, oppress and STEAL money from the other 49%.  We are headed for a democracy and that is what the problem is RIGHT NOW.

We DO NOT have a democracy, Thank God, because it does not allow for INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM (from Government).  Our Founding Fathers studied this exact subject matter extensively and that is why we have a republican form of Government.  Take note the following quotes:

  • A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. - Thomas Jefferson

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  • Respectfully Quoted: A Dictionary of Quotations.  1989.
     
     
    NUMBER: 1593
    AUTHOR: Benjamin Franklin (1706–90)
    QUOTATION: “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

      “A Republic, if you can keep it.”
    ATTRIBUTION:

    The response is attributed to BENJAMIN FRANKLIN—at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation—in the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention.

      McHenry’s notes were first published in The American Historical Review, vol. 11, 1906, and the anecdote on p. 618 reads: “A lady asked Dr. Franklin Well Doctor what have we got a republic or a monarchy. A republic replied the Doctor if you can keep it.” When McHenry’s notes were included in The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, ed. Max Farrand, vol. 3, appendix A, p. 85 (1911, reprinted 1934)

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  • Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson

  •  With regards to words of the darkside of the force: "How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!"  - Samuel Adams 

I understand and agree with your foundational point and assessment of many people who call themselves "liberals".  It is still true, however, and must be confronted that most "liberals" believe that Government is there to "help" or "assist" us.  These "Liberals" refuse to see or understand that with "help" or "assistance" drops off the other shoe which houses tyranny, oppression, and despotism which always results in kicking us in our arses and our wallets, for these terms when combined with "government" results in the equal distribution of misery otherwise known as Socialism or Communism.

Best wishes in Freedom, my friend and fellow patriot.  Keep up the good fight and please keep posting.  We all need to understand every thing we can so that we can regain our FREEDOM, individual power and prosperity that has been usurped by the U.S. Congress.  As you imply we must fight the dark forces that would work to shut down our communication lines such as talk radio.  Next will be blogs and forums like this!  We The People must stop them!

Government will not stop itself, it is a ravenous monster, stealing, raiding and mashing our FREEDOM and our money.  And, it must be stopped.  To do that we must engage a critical mass of Americans.  We must not only wake them from slumber but get them motivated to do anything and everything they / WE can!

Oh, BTW, I saw an effigy of Senator Harry Reid complete with a full suit, tie and eye glasses, this Independence Day morning in Menominee, MI at Menominee Memorial Park.  It had a sign around it's neck that quoted Senator Harry Reid; "We will allow more drilling for oil, in The Gulf of Mexico, so you can have lower gasoline, energy and food prices, OVER MY DEAD BODY."  The sign also had the picture of him giving "the finger" to the American people as he spoke on the floor of the Senate, as posted elsewhere in this forum.  I guess this means we can drill for oil and have cheap energy once again!  Yeah!  Gee, I wonder how that effigy got there? hanging from a tree posted as "The Liberty Tree", with other signs and founding father quotations and information about several matters of usurpation and The Federal Reserve.  Isn't that awful? Ha, ha, ha...  Nothing like a few fireworks on Independence Day, ala Son's of Liberty style...

HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!  I leave you with another quote from Samuel Adams, my kind of guy and a member of The Sons of Liberty:

“Beer and chocolate are two pleasures that should be enjoyed and savored, ... We knew that we were up to the challenge to create an unexpected brew that could perfectly complement a Valentine's Day meal or be given as a special gift.” - Samuel Adams  (One of our Founding Fathers not the beer maker)

A toast to Independence Day and Samuel Adams!  Here, Here!

 

July 4, 2008 04:34 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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18 Ways to be a good liberal

  1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.
  2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.
  3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese and North Korean communists.
  4. You have to believe that there was no art before federal funding.
  5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUV's.
  6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial, but being homosexual is natural.
  7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.
  8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
  9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but PETA activists do.
  10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.
  11. You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million of his own money to make "The Passion of the Christ" for financial gain only.
  12. You have to blieve the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.
  13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
  14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert E. Lee, and Thomas Edison.
  15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.
  16. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.
  17. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag queens and transvestites should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.
  18. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, right-wing conspiracy.
GOD BLESS AMERICA, ooops, can't do that either!!


"A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." Larry Elder
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"A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." Larry Elder
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"A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." Larry Elder
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"A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." Larry Elder
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Comment updated July 4, 2008 09:13 PM

To Capt. Karl

I did not want my original point to be lost. To call the enemies of Liberty Liberals is politically destructive to the party that really believes in liberty.  A confused electorate will usually vote for the party that is promising free stuff rather than self sufficiency.

But, your point that Socialism or Communism is democracy, is a misinterpretation, comprehensive or not.  Democracy is simply majority rule, nothing else.  The majority may rule for Socialism or Communism or Freedom or whatever. A Republic is essentially the same as a Democracy.  It is simply a practical adaptation of democracy mindful that all of the voters cannot be well informed enough to vote on all individual matters and therefore a specialist is employed.

A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. - Thomas Jefferson

As great as our founding fathers were, not every quote is a divine jewel.  Thomas Jefferson's quote is just plain stupid because the alternative to democracy, or majority rule, is minority rule.  The majority may or may not take the rights of the minority but the well informed majority is more likely to bring about the best form of government which is minimal government.  This is why Socialists seek to control news media and impose the Fairness Doctrine.

Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson      This one is a great quote.

Which brings me back to my original point.  We need a well informed electorate.  The false label, Liberal, serves the Socialist cause by deceiving voters.  Republicans have foolishly fallen into the trap of adopting the Left's dishonest terminology.

Of course, we are both on the side of freedom, and you are right, once talk radio falls, forums and any other political speech will not be far behind.  I apologize if I sound confrontational because I am in agreement with the bulk of your post.

July 4, 2008 05:14 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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So just called them libtards or libidiots instead.


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Comment updated July 4, 2008 05:43 PM
Patsy said: So just called them libtards or libidiots instead.

 

lol    How bout we call them a plane. Tongue out
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That works for me, theanti!  I'll be happy to donate 50,000 frequent flyer miles to the cause!  Or, I can put in a call to Kerry's office and see if I can convince him and Mama T to fly a bunch of their friends to East Overshoe --permanently-- on their "Flying Squirrel".




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Patsy said:

That works for me, theanti!  I'll be happy to donate 50,000 frequent flyer miles to the cause!  Or, I can put in a call to Kerry's office and see if I can convince him and Mama T to fly a bunch of their friends to East Overshoe --permanently-- on their "Flying Squirrel".

 

That plane is too nice.  I was thinking something more like a government quality craft.
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Oh okay....how about something like this?

 




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That one looks green enough if it can get Murtha's ass off the ground
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Well, how about a big heavy duty catapult for him, then?  After all, he was a Marine colonel, so he shouldn't be stuffed in with others.  He can get some "special" individualized treatment.


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the anti Dean Yeeeaaah said:

To Capt. Karl

I did not want my original point to be lost. To call the enemies of Liberty Liberals is politically destructive to the party that really believes in liberty.  A confused electorate will usually vote for the party that is promising free stuff rather than self sufficiency.

But, your point that Socialism or Communism is democracy, is a misinterpretation, comprehensive or not.  Democracy is simply majority rule, nothing else.  The majority may rule for Socialism or Communism or Freedom or whatever. A Republic is essentially the same as a Democracy.  It is simply a practical adaptation of democracy mindful that all of the voters cannot be well informed enough to vote on all individual matters and therefore a specialist is employed.

A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. - Thomas Jefferson

As great as our founding fathers were, not every quote is a divine jewel.  Thomas Jefferson's quote is just plain stupid because the alternative to democracy, or majority rule, is minority rule.  The majority may or may not take the rights of the minority but the well informed majority is more likely to bring about the best form of government which is minimal government.  This is why Socialists seek to control news media and impose the Fairness Doctrine.

Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson      This one is a great quote.

Which brings me back to my original point.  We need a well informed electorate.  The false label, Liberal, serves the Socialist cause by deceiving voters.  Republicans have foolishly fallen into the trap of adopting the Left's dishonest terminology.

Of course, we are both on the side of freedom, and you are right, once talk radio falls, forums and any other political speech will not be far behind.  I apologize if I sound confrontational because I am in agreement with the bulk of your post.

As part of this turning, James Madison presented an argument refuting Montesquieu and establishing representative government as a preferable form. Madison's argument, presented in "Federalist No. 10," defended representative government precisely because of the buffer it created between the people and the laws that governed them. The grave threat to government was "factions," groups of citizens, whether a "majority or a minority of the whole," animated and organized against the "permanent and aggregate interests of the community." Direct democracies ensured that these factions would dominate, but representative government, however, especially over a large territory and population, would remove such a threat.

Democracy And Socialism

 

Democracy means the rule of the people.  Hence the rule of the people is not established until they get equal political, social and economic rights.

In the west, what is publicized as democracy is not more than a limited social and political democracy with different phases from country to country.  In these countries more money can buy more “democracy”.

Anyone who can pay for the expensive election’s propaganda costs, can candidate herself or himself for different levels of the governing bodies.  Once they have succeeded, they will enjoy the benefits of these “democracies”.

The same conditions are true for the pro-capital parties and organizations.  Those which receive more money from corporations and rich people, are able to advertise vastly, play tricks and become victorious.   It is obvious that these organizations have to serve for the benefits of those companies and not the people.

In another example, those who can afford to spend more money, can hire better lawyers, bring justice to their side and enjoy the social aspects of these “democracies”.

Better services of healthcare, education, and housing … are available only with more money.  These differences which are rapidly and constantly widening during imperialism’s era are more apparent in the United States of America, the paradise of capitalists.

The pride of these “democracies” is the right to vote, which not only is continuously rigged, but due to the increasing indifference of people and the inaccessibility to many of them, does not reflect the will of the majority.

In other hand, what was in place in the ex-Socialist camp represented a relatively established social and economic democracy.  It is now evident that in the absence of political democracy in those countries – whatever was the cause – opportunism and corruption flourished and eventually led to the dismantlement of those systems.

The lessons we learned from those experiences are that: socialism is not achievable anywhere in the absence of political democracy.  And democracy is not established without implementation of full political, social and economic democracies.

As this equation shows:

Political + Social + Economic democracies <=>  socialism.

See the fact is that a "true" democracy is Socialism or Communism.  There is no way around the fact that 51% of the people control the other 49%. Which is the very reason we do not have a democracy but rather a representative government.  You wouldn't want a democracy because it leads to "equality" where no matter how little you work or how hard you work, you can never get ahead anyway, so to work hard is only a fools errand.  Why would anybody be so stupid to work hard, work long hours, or take a risk investing money and time in a business if government would take so much of the money earned and redistribute it to the rest of the population to “equalize” prosperity, to the point that you wouldn’t have any more than anybody else.This is why capitalism and the “Free” (from Government) enterprise system works so much better than Socialism or Communism which is democracy, which is where 51% of the population gets to vote their desires and wants on and OVER the other 49%.  If you read anything at all about the founding of our County you will find that this was the “specific” reason our founding fathers gave us a representative style government rather than a democracy.  The other reason is that democracies always self corrupt with in their governments due the massive power it takes to “control” the people to “comply” with the laws that must be in command of them to prevent them from doing the things that they would otherwise wish to do in the INDIVIDUAL sovereignty of FREEDOM (from Government), which would be to try to get financially “ahead” of everybody else by working as hard, as best, and taking some risk that others are not willing and/or able to do.  This is what “USED TO” make and has made America GREAT!  This is what we have to return to.  This is FREEDOM (from Government – help, taxation, and redistribution).It should be up to the people themselves and the charitable organizations we create in righteousness to help and assist people in need.  Just like we used to do in the 1600s, 1700s, 1800s, and nearly half of the 1900s, when it started to fade with the COLOSSAL failure of the “War on Poverty” which only resulted in significantly more poverty and nothing short of MASSIVE loss of wealth to not only our nation as a whole but to all Americans individually.  This is historical fact.Freedom (from Government) is Godly.  It creates in men’s hearts the desire to help and love their fellow man.   Democracy (otherwise known as that where 51% control the other 49% which yields Socialism or Communism), conversely, results in cruel immorality where man states “The Government” will take care of them and turns his head.  And, “Government” is the coldest entity ever created by man, which in essence is a monster that only cares about itself and its ravenous never ending appetite for taxing man; there by destroying all that is good.
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Capt. Karl,  I'd say you just about hit the nail on the head. 

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Great posts. Rhonda

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