Do you know?

Is it a violation of any law for a person to have multiple IDs (several with different names)?

If it is, can you site the law for me?

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Just curious....why would anyone WANT multiple ID's?

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My guess is it has something to do with Taxes. Am I getting warm taxguy?

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txguy1 said:

Is it a violation of any law for a person to have multiple IDs (several with different names)?

If it is, can you site the law for me?

 

My understanding of the law is that you can call yourself anything you want, as long as the intent is not to defraud.

So if you have one name on a license, another on a  credit card, and more on checking, savings, etc. because you like variety or can't decide which name you like, no problem legally.

Of course most institutions/companies won't open important accounts without real proof of who you are so multiple IDs, even without fraudulant intent, could be problematic........unless of course you are an illegal alien seeking to buy a house or get a credit card. 

                            Taxes and illegal aliens

I would like to know why we never hear about the Internal Revenue Service investigating a business that hires illegals. Also the illegals themselves, nary a word.

ALL of the illegal wrokers are guilty  of income tax evasion by using a false Social Security number abd failing to file returns. Their employer faclitated their crimes and committed additional crimes of their own

Where is asset forfeiture when you need it ?

Homeland Security tried to crack down on no-match social security numbers last year. The ACLU and some unions filed suit and the whole thing was halted while it gets duked out in court. The suit filers claimed that Homeland Security doesn't have the legal authority to to do the "cracking", so to speak.

But as you question, the IRS does have the authority, given it in the 1986 amnesty bill, to fine companies presenting non-match numbers. The fines were increased  by congress in 1996.

The IRS has from time to time tried half heartedly by sending out non-match letters, but has rarely followed up. As a result, companies knew they could just throw the letters away and that is exactly what they did.

One case I know of (1-2 years ago) the IRS sent the letters and a particular company indicated it would comply and fire the workers with the non-match numbers. And guess what? That idiot congressman Conyers wrote a letter to the company, threatening them with a discrimination suit if they complied.

Lou Dobbs interviewed him soon after this happened and I wanted to reach through the TV and punch the guy in the face.

I'll see if I can find the info about this case.

The IRS will not investigate a company that hires illegals, outright. The only time and the only way they get involved is if names and numbers don't match. Their only purpose in life is to agitate legal US citizens and to get as much out of each of us as possible. 

 

Johanna: thanks for your input on this.  I can find nothing on an employer EVER being fined either by the IRS or Homeland Security ( isn't that a joke of a name )  for hiring illegals.

After the election, it may not matter anyway. Both have promised some sort of an amnesty program so there may not be anymore illegals. Just no jobs and slave wages.

Well, there are a FEW examples of fines, etc:

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OK.  This is the story, which is based on fact.

An illegal, we'll call him Pedro Gonzales (not the name he is using) opened a bank account as Pedro Gonzales Perez (not the name used, either).  Because the bank account is an interest bearing account, Pedro must have a government issued identifing number.  Since he does not qualify for a Social Security number, the IRS must issue an "Individual Taxpayer Identification Number" (ITIN).  (Just aside note --- An ITIN is valid only with the IRS.)

To get an ITIN, Pedro must file an income tax return with the appilication for the ITIN attached.  Also, Pedro must submit at least one form of valid identification, in some cases two forms of ID.

 Pedro has been working for one company in the area for several years using the name Pedro Gonzales.  Now, suddenly, he becomes Pedro Gonzales Perez when applying for an ITIN.  Remember, he has to submit forms of identification (with an income tax return) proving that he is Pedro Gonzales Perez.

Obviously, Pedro has had some form of ID proving that he is Pedro Gonzales.

Also, Pedro has purchased four pieces of real estate as Pedro Gonzales.  The deeds of record are on file in the county clerk's office.  Those are public records showing his ID as Pedro Gonzales.

The IRS knows of Pedro's situation.  What I am wondering, is there another government agency that could go after him for the two different ID's?

 

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TXguy there is something that you may not know about the Mexican people they will all have 2 last names such as Juan Leal Laureno which is his Fathers last name and his mothers as well. My My 2 identifications or actually 3.

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txguy1 said:

OK.  This is the story, which is based on fact.

An illegal, we'll call him Pedro Gonzales (not the name he is using) opened a bank account as Pedro Gonzales Perez (not the name used, either).  Because the bank account is an interest bearing account, Pedro must have a government issued identifing number.  Since he does not qualify for a Social Security number, the IRS must issue an "Individual Taxpayer's Identification Number" (ITIN).  (Just aside note --- An ITIN is valid only with the IRS.)

To get an ITIN, Pedro must file an income tax return with the appilication for the ITIN attached.  Also, Pedro must submit at least one form of valid identification, in some cases two forms of ID.

 Pedro has been working for one company in the area for several years using the name Pedro Gonzales.  Now, suddenly, he becomes Pedro Gonzales Perez when applying for an ITIN.  Remember, he has to submit forms of identification (with an income tax return) proving that he is Pedro Gonzales Perez.

Obviously, Pedro has had some form of ID proving that he is Pedro Gonzales.

Also, Pedro has purchased four pieces of real estate as Pedro Gonzales.  The deeds of record are on file in the county clerk's office.  Those are public records showing his ID as Pedro Gonzales.

I have informed the IRS of Pedro's situation.  What I am wondering, is there another government agency that could go after him for the two different ID's?

 

 

Good point blaze about the two last names.

txguy 1 in some localities, Florida for instance, the local police are going after identity fraud. And they can do it without being hasseled because it is not strictly an immigration issue. But as blaze pointed out this could be the guy's real name.

If he is illegal you could/should call ICE (866) 347-2423. Report him and the company he works for. I've called ICE many time and they are usually pretty nice.

Here is some information that should get eveyrones' blood boiling. This is an article from last year and the title didn't copy here for some reason.  In the initial debate over the Bush-Kennedy immigration deal, attention has focused on how this complex bill will impact immigration-law-breaking workers -- the supply side of the unskilled labor market. A simpler approach that could greatly clarify the national discussion over immigration would narrowly, but remorselessly, target immigration-law-breaking employers -- the demand side. Let me give you some perspective on who these scofflaws are. There is an Illinois employer that over five years filed 131,991 inaccurate documents with the Internal Revenue Service. That's right: 131,991. Now, you might think law enforcement would be swarming all over this employer. You would be wrong, however. You see, the 131,991 false documents were W-2 forms reporting taxes paid on behalf of workers whose names and Social Security Numbers (SSNs) did not match. The Social Security Administration (SSA) inspector general has told Congress that illegal-alien workers are "the primary cause" cause for this type of "non-match" W-2. According to an October 2004 report by the SSA inspector general ("Employers With the Most Suspended Wage Items in the 5-Year Period 1997 Through 2001"), the Illinois employer with 131,991 "non-match" W-2s was the national champion for that period. But there were other employers in the same league. A Texas employer, for example, filed 108,302 "non-match" W-2s in that period -- when a man named George Bush happened to be Texas governor. Indeed, according the inspector general, 15 employers in Gov. Bush's Texas ranked among the Top 100 for filing "non-match" W-2s. From 1997 to 2001, these Texas employers sent the IRS a combined 401,167 "non-match" W-2s, reporting $1.7 billion in wages paid to workers using someone else's -- or a phony -- SSN. Hiring illegal aliens was not a small business when George Bush governed Texas. It was big business. So, why didn't the IRS do anything about it? The 1986 immigration amnesty bill empowered the IRS to fine employers for filing inaccurate W-2s. A 1989 amendment increased the fines, allowing the IRS to assess up to $50 for every bad W-2, with total annual fines capped at $100,000 for small businesses and $250,000 for larger businesses. In 2004, however, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) discovered that the IRS had never enforced this law. "IRS does not have any information documenting that any employer has ever been assessed such a penalty," said GAO. Ever? Yep. In effect, the IRS has already granted amnesty to those on the demand side of the illegal-alien labor market. Illegal aliens are sometimes caught and deported. But the IRS never -- never! -- enforces the law that prohibits employers from filing inaccurate W-2 forms on their behalf. So, why doesn't Homeland Security inspect the worksites of these employers? Each year, SSA compiles for its own purposes a list of every employer that filed 100 or more "non-match" W-2s the previous year. This list could be a roadmap for worksite immigration enforcement. But it is never used. SSA claims the Internal Revenue Code prevents it from identifying to the public -- or even to other government agencies such as Homeland Security -- the name of any employer filing bad W-2s. (This is why the Illinois and Texas employers mentioned above are unnamed.) SSA won't even identify to Homeland Security a state-government agency that ended up in the SSA inspector general's October 2004 list of the Top 100 employers for filing "non-match" W-2s in 1997-2001. Could this state-government agency have been in Gov. Bush's Texas? We may never know. In 2005, I asked the SSA inspector general's office why it would not release the name of this state agency, or at least the state in which it was located, to either me or Homeland Security. "The state location and name of the state agency is protected under Section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code," the IG responded. "With the exception of an ongoing criminal investigation, the same disclosure restrictions under Section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code apply to sharing this information with outside parties, such as DHS." In written congressional testimony published on Feb. 16, Barbara Boybjerg of the GAO explained why Homeland Security officials believe they could use SSA data on employers who file large numbers of "non-match" W-2s. "They told us," she said, "that these employers may knowingly hire unauthorized workers with no SSN or fraudulent SSNs, and that employers who are knowingly reporting incorrect information about their workers might also be involved in illegal activities involving unauthorized workers." Here's a humble suggestion: Before Congress votes on an extraordinarily complex immigration reform largely aimed at the supply side of the unskilled labor market, it should enact a streamlined reform aimed at the demand side. This bill should say: Notwithstanding any provision of the Internal Revenue Code, SSA shall immediately hand over to Homeland Security a list of the 50 employers who filed the largest number of "non-match" W-2s for 2006. It shall also hand over a list of all state-government agencies that filed 100 or more "non-match" W-2s. Over the next 90 days, Homeland Security shall inspect the worksites of these employers, enforcing all immigration laws, and making all appropriate referrals to the Justice Department and Internal Revenue Service. By September, Americans would have a solid factual basis for determining who stands to gain and who stands to lose from the backroom deal President Bush cut with Sen. Teddy Kennedy.

Txguy I know it is illegal to have a drivers lic. in two names ot from another State.Fed Law covers this with the CDL law.So ck with your state as far and other ways  I think each state is  different, but CDL and DL's arent

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OK.  More questions.

Assuming that Pedro has been paying income tax on the income from his job (where he is known as Pedro Gonzales), he has an income tax record with the IRS and some kind of number (probably a fake Social Security number).

Now, he has a second ID with the IRS ---- Pedro Gonzales Perez and an ITIN.

The IRS has been informed of the duel IDs.  Do you think they will do anything about it?

If Pedro has not been paying income tax on the income from his job, will the IRS do anything about that now that they know about the two IDs?  He had to present some kind of ID to the company to get the job.

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txguy -- I've been meaning to respond to your much earlier post about getting an ITIN.

When my wife decided to go on her own as a sole proprietor, we were told by many to call the IRS and get an ITIN rather than using her social security number (mainly for privacy and to reduce chances for identity theft) -- we called and were told they do not assign ITIN's for sole propretors -- use your SS#.  I pointed out that I had one before I retired and they basically told me that wasn;t possible -- they don't do that for individuals!  Go figure!  But illegals can get one???

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"Pedro" had to do more than show an ID to the company to get his job. He must legally fill out an I-9 form (everyone since 1986). He would have had to falsify the info if not legally in the US, thus committing a federal crime. Using a false Social Security card is also a federal crime (identity theft). You could also contact the state DPS if he has a driver's license (legal or not) in a name other than the name on "his" social. If he is driving without a valid DL, the DPS would love to know about it. Especially if "Pedro" is in Texas, I would have DPS or county sheriff check him out. They usually love to help out...

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(CM) Jim from Texas said:

txguy -- I've been meaning to respond to your much earlier post about getting an ITIN.

When my wife decided to go on her own as a sole proprietor, we were told by many to call the IRS and get an ITIN rather than using her social security number (mainly for privacy and to reduce chances for identity theft) -- we called and were told they do not assign ITIN's for sole propretors -- use your SS#.  I pointed out that I had one before I retired and they basically told me that wasn;t possible -- they don't do that for individuals!  Go figure!  But illegals can get one???

 

Jim,

The IRS website states that only those who must pay income tax but do not qualify for a social security number can get an ITIN.

An ITIN is strictly for paying income tax.  It can not be used for anything else.

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One more special privilege for illegal alien invaders! Wonder what else are they are entitled to that we don't know about?

txguy1 said:

OK.  This is the story, which is based on fact.

An illegal, we'll call him Pedro Gonzales (not the name he is using) opened a bank account as Pedro Gonzales Perez (not the name used, either).  Because the bank account is an interest bearing account, Pedro must have a government issued identifing number.  Since he does not qualify for a Social Security number, the IRS must issue an "Individual Taxpayer's Identification Number" (ITIN).  (Just aside note --- An ITIN is valid only with the IRS.)

To get an ITIN, Pedro must file an income tax return with the appilication for the ITIN attached.  Also, Pedro must submit at least one form of valid identification, in some cases two forms of ID.

 Pedro has been working for one company in the area for several years using the name Pedro Gonzales.  Now, suddenly, he becomes Pedro Gonzales Perez when applying for an ITIN.  Remember, he has to submit forms of identification (with an income tax return) proving that he is Pedro Gonzales Perez.

Obviously, Pedro has had some form of ID proving that he is Pedro Gonzales.

Also, Pedro has purchased four pieces of real estate as Pedro Gonzales.  The deeds of record are on file in the county clerk's office.  Those are public records showing his ID as Pedro Gonzales.

The IRS knows of Pedro's situation.  What I am wondering, is there another government agency that could go after him for the two different ID's?

 

You could also contact the state DPS if he has a driver's license (legal or not) in a name other than the name on "his" social. If he is driving without a valid DL, the DPS would love to know about it. Especially if "Pedro" is in Texas, I would have DPS or the county sheriff check him out. They usually love to help out...

 

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johannah said: One more special privilege for illegal alien invaders! Wonder what else are they are entitled to that we don't know about?

 

Just about anything they want -- you know ....... for humanitarian reasons ........   

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