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As requested....this thread is listed as "random topics" as many of us tend to go off topic on other threads-we are only human . We can use this thread to explore, document and discuss our country. jcoles often has informative posts with "no place to call home" so I hereby dedicate this thread to him.

Rules for this thread? Be kind to each other....treat each other with respect as if you were sitting together having a nice cup of coffee or an adult beverage and chatting about the "state of our country", it's rich, RELEVANT history, and ideas for improvement. Let's try not to turn this into a "candidate" thread!

This will be an experiment, so bear with me- let's have some fun, great conversation and exchange of ideas. I love all of you people here at FS...we don't always agree- but we do represent a cross-section or "sampling" of our population here in America and I respect each and every one of you.

Why don't we start off by talking about our country in its infancy and work our way up to present day?

 




"I have wondered at times what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the US Congress." Ronald Reagan "Evil is powerless when the good are unafraid." Ronald Reagan
June 4, 2008 07:11 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Split ScreenCool, a "gossip" column, or for the smart ones, a thread to further our edicachun

Thanks, BTB.  

As you suggested, let's start with a land, long. long time ago.   

Pilgrim Girl PilgrimStar 10Liberty BellLiberty

How's that for a start? 




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Was that the "cliff notes" version elaina...LOLLaughing




"I have wondered at times what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the US Congress." Ronald Reagan "Evil is powerless when the good are unafraid." Ronald Reagan
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I'll start this with a dispute with the moderator: this is not my thread...this is everyone's thread. I'd prefer that it not become a gossip site, but be dedicated to info-bits that don't fit a specific topic...I'll go dig up one of those articles that makes me think...back soon...y'all enjoy!


jColes But though my wing is closely bound, my heart's at liberty. My prison walls cannot control, the flight, the freedom of my soul. Jeanne Guyon, 1648-1717 "A Prisoner's Song" Castle of Vincennes, France
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I too feel like jcoles as I'm sure many Americans do. I for one, see us splintering apart because, not only have our elected officials betrayed us, corporate/global elites and the media are working hand in hand to the demise of the Middle Class and ultimately our country. The Middle Class has to disappear for the NAU plan to move forward.

There are wonderful people posting and viewing FireSociety. Same with NumbersUSA, Lou Dobbs Community, Outraged Patriots, Stop the NAU and many, many more worthwhile sites with wonderful information. My fear is our time is limited, therefore I feel a sense of urgency.

If I could have a 'wish list' it would be for all of us (meaning individuals and the aforementioned sites) to combine our efforts and resources to remember where we came from and who has established, defended and grown our Country to the great Nation it is and hold our government accountable. It would be wonderful to spread the word to those who don't know.

There is safety and POWER in numbers. Many Americans feel the same as we do, but they have no CLUE as to what is happening to us. How can we hang together, before we all hang separately?  In other words, how can the majority win? How do we reach them with the resources available? If Amercians were aware of our current national condition, I believe the backlash would be historical.

I just feel it is so very important to inform and educate....... Thanks for this thread BTB! Great Idea.

 




We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. Benjamin Franklin at the signing of the Declaration of Independence.
June 4, 2008 07:52 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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jColes said: I'll start this with a dispute with the moderator: this is not my thread...this is everyone's thread. I'd prefer that it not become a gossip site, but be dedicated to info-bits that don't fit a specific topic...I'll go dig up one of those articles that makes me think...back soon...y'all enjoy!

 

My apologies if my wording in my initial post insinuated this was your thread....I simply wanted to "dedicate" it to you....you are absolutely right, it is everyone's thread- but you my fellow patriot became the inspiration for this little experiment. This will NOT be a gossip thread, I think elaina was merely joking.

And Integrity you are quite welcome, I enjoy reading your posts very much....I hope this can help us find common ground through researching our rich history, programs that no longer work in the 21st century but were adopted during dire crisis in this country (FDR's new deal for example)...and our current trend DOMINATED by the media to patronize anything related to liberalism.

If as planned we can use this thread to educate and yes, rehash our history.....an "informed" voter is a NIGHTMARE for the bulk of elected officials in this day and age...that is what we must strive for.

And jcoles, I can hardly wait to see what you post first!Smile 




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I have contended for more than two years that our current war in Iraq has been the most spectacular war in American history...the best led, most doctrinally active, and now at the tactical level, the most on-the-ground effective - ever.

Consider: The doctrine we had when we entered this war was 'set-piece,' or conventional force on conventional force...then, when the enemy's national force was obliterated, the war morphed into the most brutal kind of guerilla war combined with urban warfare combined with primitve but effective remote-control weapons.

To give a frame of reference for what I'll say next consider that in WWII, which was almost entirely a set-piece war, it took the US more than three years to tweak existing doctrine, to develop strategic operational planning processes and from those two elements, create training and tactics needed to defeat the Germans and Japanese...then because of our huge industrial capability we were able to almost sink the British Isles with inferior equipment that eventually wore the Germans' superior equipment down...and the same happened in the Pacific...our Navy took the Japanese lifeline away by sending 95% of the Imperial Japanese Navy to Davey Jones' Locker...Once we had tweaked the doctrine and created the kinds of units and operations that could defeat our enemies we needed almost two years more to finally grind them under.

In this war, which began with doctrine-strategy-tactics that were adequate for the invasion then failed because the enemy changed faster than we could, we have not merely tweaked our doctrine-strategy-tactics we have created entirely new processes, redesigned not just the Army...but all the services...developed the training processes, equipped whole units with the tools needed to defeat the enemy, then fielded those units and are well along the road to decimating al Qaeda in Iraq and destabilizing deeply entrenched regimes that have been intractibly hostile to us...

Although much of what has happened to get us to where we are has been invisible to the public, the transformation of the hugely complex military system has been rapid, vibrant and astoundingly effective. It is true that several major incorrect strategic decisions were made during the first two years of the war, and it is true that a man whom I admire, Don Rumsfeld, didn't understand the dynamic he set in motion with his top-down reivew in 2002, and he eventually had to go -- as did the generals who couldn't adapt themselves to the new doctrine...

Exactly the same dynamic occurred during WWII, but the consequences in that war were more catastrophic -- bad decisions, bureaucratic inertia and alliance politics caused WWII in Europe to last almost 18 months longer than necessary and cost about 100,000 additional Allied lives. Although the stakes in this war are as high as those in WWII, the costs are different and far fewer Americans & allied soldiers have died in this war...and civilian casualties in this war are only a tiny fraction of one-percent of WWII's civilian casualties.

In addition to the dynamic change processes within DoD and the separate services, an entire community of military and diplomatic intellectuals has been hard at work looking at how to win what is called 'the non-kinetic' phase of the war. What follows is Part 1 of a six-part series from Small Wars Journal...I think you'll be surprised at the thought processes that have gone into what is argruably a part of the war that is even more important than the kinetic (meaning move-shoot-communicate) part of the war...

 

SMALL WARS JOURNAL
 

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Well Intended but Largely Mistaken Attacks on NCTC and DHS “War of Words” Advisories (Part 1)

By Jim Guirard

Part 1 of 6 Parts

In recent days, many "war of words" op-ed essays and newspaper editorials have been linked to by Small Wars Journal -- and appropriately so, for the issues they raise must surely be resolved in a far more adequate way than is now the case.

Most of these postings have been written by well-intentioned but, I think, mistaken authors who are angrily objecting to recent advisories -- not mandates but preliminary advisories -- by the National Counter Terrorism Center (NCTC) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that we begin avoiding the very familiar "Jihad" (Holy War) and "mujahideen" (holy warriors) labels in the ongoing War on al Qaeda-style Terrorism.

For my own part, when I first saw these two documents long before they became public, I gave one of them a C- and the other a C+ at best -- but for reasons entirely different from those of the critics who are now attacking them in their entirety. At this point, I agree with only about half of their dozen or more specific recommendations of words to use and not to use.

Unfortunately, both of these advisories are insufficient to the situation and are, therefore, vulnerable to charges that they let both the terrorists and the despotic perversions of Islam which sponsor them "off the hook" -- and leave us with an unclear idea of exactly who and how very dangerous the "Jihadi" (but no longer to be called that) enemy really is.

This essay will attempt to describe the truth-in-language path which the NCTC, DHS, Department of State, Department of Defense and National Security Council experts should now follow in correctly and adequately defining what I have long called "The al Qaeda Apostasy" -- and doing so in several of the Islamic religious words they say should be avoided. In other words, I am a critic, too -- but in a largely constructive and supportive way rather than an angry and confrontational one.

Rather than trying to deal with each of these commentaries individually, I have selected a representative one -- a May 1, 2008 New York Post editorial, entitled "Jihad Newspeak" -- and will attempt to respond not only to its rationale and particulars but also to many of the individual columnists' worries, objections and understandable confusion.

Part # 1: Who Is at War With Whom?

As the acting NCTC Director Michael Leiter said recently to a distinguished audience at the DC-based Washington Institute on Near East Policy, we must somehow "show that it is al Qaeda, not the West, that is at war with Islam."

This strategy and practice of attacking terrorism but not Islam itself has been US doctrine from the beginning, but it is good to see this clearly and publicly reaffirmed by a senior anti-terrorism official at a time when others seem to consider Islam of the Qur'an to be the real enemy -- and view the AQ-style Terrorists as an accurate and faithful reflection of that religion, rather than a radical deviancy from it.

To make a medical analogy, we seek to kill the AQ and similar cancers without attacking the host per se -- so as not to unite the two and so as to inspire so-called "moderate" and civilized Muslims to become our allies in killing the cancer. But others are angrily blaming the host (Islam, in context of their insistence that there is only "One Islam") as being a willing and inherently complicit and guilty sponsor of the terrorists rather than as a besieged and conflicted victim itself.

For his part, Osama bin Laden tries daily to paint the same "war of religions" picture as some of the hard-line critics do, albeit for very different reasons. He pontificates that this is "America's War Against Islam" and that it is, therefore, the "holy-war" and the "Will-of-Allah" obligation of every Muslim to fight back in every way imaginable.

In this vein, bin Laden's and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri's every appeal to their new recruits and their existing followers alike stresses the urgent need for a most holy and Godly "Jihad by faithful mujahideen and self-sacrificing young shahideen destined for Paradise -- as a proper reward for killing us infidels and destroying The Great Satan."

That's their story and they're sticking with it. The question now is whether we should accept and continue to parrot that self-serving Salafi-Wahhabi-Muslim Brotherhood-AQ mantra or "narrative" -- or should we challenge and defeat it

(1) by the sufficient condemnatory words which make it eternally evil and bound for Hellfire, rather than a matter of "holy war martyrs " bound for Paradise,
(2) by the proper religious, as opposed to politico-Islamist, frames of reference (see Part 4 below) which paint the same satanic picture of these suicide mass murderers, and
(3) by the tough counterinsurgency (COIN) strategies, operations and tactics which are founded (more on this in Part 4) upon an optimum counter-narrative?

Author's Note: For a more detailed (10,000 words) discussion of what follows -- and more –- please check my August 2007 entry in the USMA/CTC Essay Contest on National Security Strategy.

American Doctrine versus the Osaman Doctrine

One of the ways to differentiate the American doctrine from the Osaman doctrine is by carefully changing some of the incorrect words and labels we have been using in defining and discussing who is who and what is going on in in this most "irregular" of wars.

This is a language by which we have been classifying our deadly enemies as "holy warriors" and "martyrs" (because that is who they SAY they are, n'est-ce pas?) -- and which also seems to concede the Terrorists' patently false charges that we are all "infidels" and that America is "the Great Satan."

In the so-called War of Ideas, such branding of the genocidal and hyena-like terrorists by exactly the glorifying names they want to be called does not seem like a very bright idea. Truth be known, as long as two years ago but to deaf ears at the time, a distinguished former NCTC Director, John Brennan, appealed for much-needed change in an excellent Washington Post essay as follows:

"Bin Laden has also insidiously convinced us to use terminology that lends legitimacy to his activities. He has hijacked the term "jihad" to such an extent that US and other Western officials regularly use the terms "jihadist" and "terrorist" interchangeably. In doing so, they unwittingly transfer the religious legitimacy inherent in the concept of jihad to murderous acts that are anything but holy."

Despite this concern, there have been no significant changes in the last two years. And even the current recommendations which are so hotly disputed barely scratch the surface -- by recommending three or four words not be used but failing to recommend in adequate detail what other more appropriate terms (including several listed and defined below) should be used in their place. Conclusion: This is advice well intended but still quite insufficient.

An indication that it might be further refined and strengthened can be found in the fact that National Security Advisor Juan Zarate has recently observed that the AQ leadership is quite "sensitive to the perceived legitimacy of both their actions and their ideology. They care about their image because it has real-world effects on recruitment, donations, and support in Muslim and religious communities."

In addition, a well-regarded analysis of these several USG advisories by scholars Matthew Levitt and Michael Jacobson at the Counterterrorism Blog concludes that:

"Although the 'struggle of ideas in the Islamic world' section of the State Department report still focuses on the US Government's attempts to explain its policies and values, its message has undergone a serious overhaul. The initial U.S. approach in the wake of the September 11 attacks was to try and sell the United States to overseas audiences, an approach widely regarded as ineffective in stemming the tide of radicalization. Efforts will now concentrate on discrediting the terrorists."

HOORAY for that!! Better six years late than never! Such assertive discrediting -- and even such demonization -- of the AQ Terrorists and their like-minded radicals is an urgently needed tactic which is fully explained in two late-2006 TrueSpeak.org essays of mine - Urgent Need For Truth-In-Language In US Public Diplomacy and Is it Holy "Jihad" or Unholy "Irhabi Murderdom"???

 




jColes But though my wing is closely bound, my heart's at liberty. My prison walls cannot control, the flight, the freedom of my soul. Jeanne Guyon, 1648-1717 "A Prisoner's Song" Castle of Vincennes, France
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I've been thinking.  What if Obama becomes president?  A black man as president is an historic event -- a first.  Will it produce other firsts?

1)  Will he be under strict scrutiny by everyone, including trhe Washington Post and the LA Times, or will they contnue to give him a free ride?

 2)  Will racism become more rampant or will it produce constructive dialogue?

3)  Is he more likely to be assassinsted?  Will he need extra security?

4)  Will his presidency bring black fads to the forefront?

5)  Will the international community be kinder to us?

6)  Will he have to be careful so he is not perceived as giving favors to his race?

7)   Will his presidency be seen as an invitation for radical blacks to spew their hate, i.e. Wright and his ilk?

8)  Just how much damage will his far left agenda create?

 

There are tons of questions here.  Does anyone want to prognosticate? 

 

 

 




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Okay.  Evidently you didn't like the Obama question so what about MdCain.

1)  McCain is best friends with Mr. Mexico First, Juan Hernandez, who holds dual citizenship between Mexico and the U.S.  Can we expect a lot of Mexican apointees in our government?

2)  Will McCain keep sending our hard-earned tax dollars off to Mexico?

3)  McCain doesn't understand economics.  Does that mean the really rotten free trade deals will continue?

4)  Will he push the TTC, Mexican trucks and Mexico first.

5)   Who will be his VP.  Because of his age and pressure, McCain could expire while in office.  The VP is important.

6)  How long will he hold us in Iraq?

Again -- tons of questions.  How do you see it? 




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Very interesting, jC.  I would like to have a time machine, forward it about 25 years, and see what History has to say about this war. 


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jColes said: I'll start this with a dispute with the moderator: this is not my thread...this is everyone's thread. I'd prefer that it not become a gossip site, but be dedicated to info-bits that don't fit a specific topic...I'll go dig up one of those articles that makes me think...back soon...y'all enjoy!

 

If this is not your thread, why are you complaining about my gossip joke already?  Sometimes you just hafta take it easy, jC.  Lighten up, please, pretty please.




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Suffering in AZ.1 said:

I've been thinking.  What if Obama becomes president?  A black man as president is an historic event -- a first.  Will it produce other firsts?

1)  Will he be under strict scrutiny by everyone, including trhe Washington Post and the LA Times, or will they contnue to give him a free ride?

 2)  Will racism become more rampant or will it produce constructive dialogue?

3)  Is he more likely to be assassinsted?  Will he need extra security?

4)  Will his presidency bring black fads to the forefront?

5)  Will the international community be kinder to us?

6)  Will he have to be careful so he is not perceived as giving favors to his race?

7)   Will his presidency be seen as an invitation for radical blacks to spew their hate, i.e. Wright and his ilk?

8)  Just how much damage will his far left agenda create?

 

There are tons of questions here.  Does anyone want to prognosticate? 

 

 

 

 

Suffering....

1) I'm not sure which way this will go, but I think it will probably tilt toward favoring Obama, their favorite "pet", sort of like they treated the Clintons all those years.

2 Racism will be become more rampant, as he puts people like Soros (a big backer), Wright, Fleger, Ayres, Farrakhan, Black Panther members, etal. into positions of power. To date he hasn't shown any great magical powers in the uniting department. Quite the opposite, as the country is becoming more and more polarized.

3) I think he will be a target of many different groups and also disgruntled individuals. Extra security will be essential and his ever suffering wife will be even more miserable than she is now.

4) He is a rather preppy guy. This one might be a positive....no more baggy pants and exposed underwear.

5) No. they will take advantage of his naivite (wrong spelling?). It will create a more dangerous world than we have right now.

6) He will not be careful at all. He will be brazen about it and rub it in our faces. This will further infuriate the groups and disgruntled individuals.

7) Yes!

8) It will move us closer to the total destruction of our borders, language, culture...our economy will collapse under the burden of the ever increasing entitlement programs.

He will do nothing to stop the outsourcing of jobs and the insourcing of cheap illegal labor to fill the jobs that can't be outsourced.

He has already stated that he intends to send a lot more aid to Africa. I think he gave us a glimpse of what he has in mind when he recently sponsored the bill to give 845 billion dollars to the UN (aid for poor nations).

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Thanks Johannah --

You've given me more to think about.  I like to try to look ahead and see what I can see.  Sometimes I'm entirely off the mark but other times I find I read them like a book.

Your #6 is interesting and could cause lots of trouble.  He's supposed to be the president of all the people, not just blacks. 




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jcoles said:

I have contended for more than two years that our current war in Iraq has been the most spectacular war in American history...the best led, most doctrinally active, and now at the tactical level, the most on-the-ground effective - ever.

As well as the most "unusual" in that there are no defined fronts...except what we have before us in Iraq and Afghanistan. When we first marched to Baghdad at the beginning of this war, I had a deep seeded fear that once our soldiers entered Baghdad....it was going to be a slaughter with our side losing 10's of thousands of soldiers in one fell swoop- didn't happen.

This on the ground war is not just about bullets or IED's...it's about uniting the people of Iraq in spite of their differences to function as one sovereign (and hopefully peaceful from here on out) nation- governing themselves without influence of foreign insurgents and muslim extremists. 

I think as you mention in your post......that AQ is seeing the people of Iraq turn away from them, knowing their ways are as evil as the tactics used by Saddam: Fear. AQ is not stupid, it can easily round up the most uneducated and ignorant recruits from any of the other muslim countries ripe with ignorance among its youth.

Is it just me or is the slowed progress with the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan due to the apathy of Pakistan as these extremists cross their border without fear of retaliation?

These kids fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are truly intelligent and brave...my hat is off to them for fighting in one of the most unusual wars the world has ever seen.....God bless them all for their continued dedication and courage. I wish there was something I could do to help them besides praying..... 




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All Y'all...

The article I posted is the kind of thing that turns me on...Is this the kind of reading that you're interested in? If not, I'll look to some of my other sources...admittedly, some of the stuff I read is glaze-your-eyes-over-dull...lemme know your thoughts.

Elaina...I'm sorry, kid...my wife says my sense of humor is satanic...I just couldn't resist playing with you. Innocent I am trying to be good, but, oh, the flesh is soooo weak...As for the time machine...you're exactly right-on. I don't know who the next EB White-level of historian will be but I'd like to jump ahead and have drinks one evening with that person to get his or her assessment of what we're doing now...and hopefully, I won't have to know more Arabic (or Persian) than I do now to ask!

Suffering & Johannah...the questions & answers raised and offered by the two of you have thoroughly ruined my evening...those are the critical questions the Obama campaign raises yet refuses to even entertain, much less answer...makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, but doesn't give me a tingling sensation up & down leg. The Dari-Farsi (or Persian) word for men of Obama's type is 'Cia.' I won't translate it directly because the censor won't let it pass...but understand: it's not a good word and it accurately describes what he is personally and what he represents.

BTB...the thing to understand about Pakistan is that it's not 'apathy' there that facilitates the Taliban and AQ...it's animus springing from primitive religious fervor, debauched & broken tribal-feudal formal & informal social-political power systems, the ever-and-totally-present negative impacts of Islam, and  racism of the worst sort that causes both the political government and the ISI (Paki intelligence & national security agency) to actively support our enemies.

Pakistanis in general, and particularly the 40-million-strong Pashtun Tribe, are not our friends. If the situation were not so important I'd be amused at the DemoRat propaganda line about 'taking our eye off the ball' by going into Iraq...the Dems' claim is that we could have gotten bin Laden if we had stayed on-point...their argument for withdrawing from Iraq is that we need those troops in Afghanistan to finish the job of killing the Taliban & AQ...you hit the nail on the head when you wrote that the extremists cross tbe border without fear of retaliation...and not only that, they are cheered south of the Duran Line, the presumptive border between Afghanistan & Pakistan. We could put 10 million troops north of that line and still not wipe those monsters out because any major operation on our part that crosses the line will set off a chain of events in South Asia that can have only one outcome -- mass destruction & total chaos...so we aren't about to invade Pakistan and the monsters get a safe haven in perpetuity. But the beasts are badly disorganized now...isolated and scrambling to fill leadership positions, both enemy groups are on the ropes...but knocing them out without making the situation much worse is tough...I fear that Obama just doesn't understand any of this and that he'll do something incredibly stupid...there are more opportunities for failure than there are opportunities for success in this delicate environment...Obama scares the liver out of me.

 




jColes But though my wing is closely bound, my heart's at liberty. My prison walls cannot control, the flight, the freedom of my soul. Jeanne Guyon, 1648-1717 "A Prisoner's Song" Castle of Vincennes, France
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Suffering in AZ.1 said:

Okay.  Evidently you didn't like the Obama question so what about MdCain.

1)  McCain is best friends with Mr. Mexico First, Juan Hernandez, who holds dual citizenship between Mexico and the U.S.  Can we expect a lot of Mexican apointees in our government?

2)  Will McCain keep sending our hard-earned tax dollars off to Mexico?

3)  McCain doesn't understand economics.  Does that mean the really rotten free trade deals will continue?

4)  Will he push the TTC, Mexican trucks and Mexico first.

5)   Who will be his VP.  Because of his age and pressure, McCain could expire while in office.  The VP is important.

6)  How long will he hold us in Iraq?

Again -- tons of questions.  How do you see it? 

 

AZ, your questions are just fine, but they do emphasize what pickle we are in, and want me to put my head in the sand.  It seems that every subject and every answer just lead to more questions




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Our problem is that we've put our trust in mere man. We, somehow, believe that man can get us out of the trouble we're in. We forget that man is the reason we're in the trouble we're in - form the very beginning of time.

Humans have not the ability to forsee threir own demise.




Love in Christ,

Phil C.
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Oh let us not forget the hot topic of religion. Biotecbabe,you opened a can of worms.

How many here think that todays Churches are what Jesus had in mind? For me I have a problem with money. I think some churchs have become to rich and powerfull . I don't think they do enough to distribute their wealth like to help the poor  . I don't like having a voice on where or how the money is being spent. Their kittys keep growing and growing and still ask for additional funds.

I been to a Chruch where they had a financial planer come and you could plan your will,But by the way you can leave money to this church and pizzia and drinks are on us. I saw right threw it .




For all who have fallen,we must move forward But, for the right reasons.*In my mind, so called "legal residency" is just as a threat as illegal immigration and it the missing topic in the immigration debate.*Every man dies,but not every man truely lives*
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jColes

What is your honest opinion of Pakistan........as an ally?  Do you think we will ever, totally defeat the likes of Bin Laden or for that matter ever capture him?  He is one of those leaders who seems to never make many mistakes.  You are right, he scares me too and if there are such things as anniversaries we should expect another attack within the next two years?  Your input please.


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