Lets call for oil !!

We are getting to be such experts at calling against amnesty for the illegals, I think it is time that we also start calling/emailing/faxing on behalf of our energy problems.  My local gas station a few blocks from the house is now at $4.01 self serve regular.

The democrats are who I could concentrate on, because THEY are in control of both houses, and so far THEY have done nothing other than hold hearings on the massive, record breaking profits of the oil companies, which is eyeball popping, but is frankly, a waste of their time.

There is supposed to be TONS of oil under the dakotas, we need to push them to allow for exploration there immediately.  That is so much better than the alaska oil, it is not funny as the alaska oil "bill" called for a 2000 mile pipeline to be built from alaska, thru canada, to the midwest, well, the dakotas are already IN the midwest, there might have to be just a 200 mile pipeline built there.  Plus, they can drill for longer in the year there as it is not as cold year round.

The bonus is if the oil is there, we get more self sufficent while we find a way to make synthetic fuel on a massive scale to support ourselves, we get jobs for AMERICANS in working there (no illegals need apply), the people of the dakotas get yearly checks like the people in alaska have gotten every year since that pipeline was built there etc  The added bonus is that I think it was on Glenn Beck that they mentioned by ten years or less in the future, the way China is growing, they will be able to use every gallon of oil produced in the middle east, so, EVERYONE ELSE will be tough outta luck.

But, since they are in control of both houses, THEY need to step up to the plate IMMEDIATELY and start this ball rolling, otherwise, they are as bad if not worse than the republicans, and it is one of the reasons on a daily basis their "public" is polling them the lowest ever because every day we see gas going up by a good 2-6 cents per gallon, and we blame THEM!  Get your neighbors and friends to call/fax/email too, as this probably affects them more than the illegal problems do, so, they should be willing to spend at least 5 minutes calling their reps.  Heck, we might print this number out on small cards to carry with us and pass them out at gas stations to the other patrons who are going broke filling up their cars too!

Here is a toll free number to call the Capitol switchboard to get connected to yours (or others) Democratic senators or house members, you can call anytime during the day/nite, altho at say, 2am, you will obviously just get the officials message machine.

1-877-224-0041 and ask the Capitol operator to connect you to your senators and representative (or any senator/rep you want to talk too--LOL).

This info was provided by Jim on another forum topic, but you can use it here too:

Jim from Texas said:BTW, the link above provides an easy way to get Senate and House phone and fax numbers for every politicians offices.  

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-63874.html

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Thanks Vee Bee! Thanks Jim! Great post Vee Bee....

Now everyone, rehearse the talking points, be nice, be polite and you WILL be heard!

 

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Mr Bush has not used the right language with the saudi's. Should be we want oil today or tomorrow it will be as Billy May says KABOOM. It is very hard for me to believe that a bunch of people with towels and water hoses on their heads are playing us like a fiddle. Not one shot fired and we are on our knees and will soon be down for the count. The fools in congress have no idea how to run a business, most would never survive in the corporate world this is the reason most are lawyers. Congress needs to be holding hearings with the OPEC jerks not corporate CEO's.

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blaze77535 said: Mr Bush has not used the right language with the saudi's. Should be we want oil today or tomorrow it will be as Billy May says KABOOM. It is very hard for me to believe that a bunch of people with towels and water hoses on their heads are playing us like a fiddle. Not one shot fired and we are on our knees and will soon be down for the count. The fools in congress have no idea how to run a business, most would never survive in the corporate world this is the reason most are lawyers. Congress needs to be holding hearings with the OPEC jerks not corporate CEO's.

 

Yes, but if Americans get VOCAL on this issue..and OPEC sees America moving towards renewed drilling on our own soil ( which is by the way very rich with shale oil in MANY states.....Utah, Dakotas, Colorado...continental shelf off Florida...ANWR....They WILL drop prices....

If America moves to do this as we should until we can come up with an alternative to fossil fuels/oil.....it will be 10 years until we see any oil that we can actually use...BUT..in the meantime....if countries like Saudi Arabia and others see that we will soon NO LONGER NEED THEM...they are going to panic and drop prices.

On the other hand we have to be careful too...we could start up our drilling operations....they drop the price of oil and we spend more than intended on getting the rigs and refineries up and running....

China is set to start drilling (if they haven't already) off the coast of Florida in a deal struck with Cuba while the SENATE stood by picking their noses.....

THAT'S OUR OIL!

 

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(CM) BiotechBabe said:

On the other hand we have to be careful too...we could start up our drilling operations....they drop the price of oil and we spend more than intended on getting the rigs and refineries up and running....

China is set to start drilling (if they haven't already) off the coast of Florida in a deal struck with Cuba while the SENATE stood by picking their noses.....

THAT'S OUR OIL!

I heard on Glenn Beck that years ago, when we were trying to develop synthetic fuels, once the Saudi's found out about it, they dropped the price of oil to the absolute bottom to stop that.  But I think things are different now, with China coming on board and eating up so much of the fuel and willing to pay ANYTHING to get it, and since we can't buy enough crap made in China, they have all the money in the world to buy it, they don't care what the price is any more than Bill Gates cares what a loaf of bread costs.

As for the time length it would take to get up and rolling on our own oil in the gulf or in the dakotas or on either of the coasts, I am not sure that the oil companies are in ANY big hurry themselves, why should they be?  Every day they delay/wait, the price per barrel goes up and up and up, if they can delay another year or two, oil will be at $200 plus per barrel (which is the price it is estimated to be by Xmas if not before)...more money in their pockets the longer they delay, and we already see the massive profits they are making now.

Glenn said the military still is using/developing (?) synthetic fuels to use for their jets, so, if we could open that up to massive development, and, if the Saudi's DO drop the price of oil to rock bottom again, then I think it would behoove us to use taxpayer dollars to supplement the continued development of synthetic fuels, because once we get that down and can support our fuel needs that way, we will be independant,and it would be worth it to keep our freedoms, because every day, we are getting owned more and more and more by China/Saudis etc  Plus, maybe we could end up selling synthetic fuels to the rest of the world and make money since most of the smaller countries will not be able to afford the price of oil from the Saudi's....we would have something to export again, gee, what would that be like again???

 Here is the Glenn Beck transcript from 5/12/2008...you might get some "talking points" when you call/write/email our elected officials, because they are NOT going to do anything until we force them to, it is obvious by now.  We have to show not only the politicians we are serious, we have to show the OIL COUNTRIES AND COMPANIES we are serious!  (underline below is mine).

BECK: Well, hello, America.

Every time you go to fill up your tank, you know that we`re facing an energy crisis in this country that we haven`t seen since the 1970s. Back when Jimmy Carter days. Oh, I loved him. You know, when he was bundling our foreign policy and OPEC nations were to blame.

This time around, we can`t really point our fingers at the Middle East, because it`s us. It`s our own government and the special interest groups that pull their strings that are to blame. So here`s "The Point" tonight.

You know, I don`t know about you, but I never saw our country as a collection of whiners and losers. We`ll never get out of this mess with the Congress and a president that is tying our hands behind our back. And here`s how I got there.

Jeff Bingaman, he is the Democratic chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural Resource Committee. He said that to get out of the rising gas prices, we`re not going to drill our way out of this problem! Really? He, of course, is a politician, so we can rest assured he`s wrong.

I know it`s really popular these days to hate the oil companies, but if we don`t really start to drill our way out of this problem, oh, we`re pretty screwed to the wall.

In order to fully understand our energy crisis, you have to see -- and this is where everybody -- "Oh, Glenn wants to drill in my living room?" No, no, no. See, the solution to this puzzle. It`s more than just one piece. No one piece is more important than the other. Some pieces may be bigger, but if we`re going to achieve true energy independence, we`d better start looking at the really big picture in the entire puzzle.

We`re not suddenly going to, you know, have our oil dependence magically disappear. It`s the life blood of our way on earth as humans, not just America, but everywhere. We don`t have anything in the pipeline to replace it right now, and demand for oil is only getting higher as China and India are coming online. China, in fact, has already doubled its thirst for oil in just the last ten years. Can you imagine what the next ten years are going to be like?

Congress needs to encourage the development of coal-to-oil technology. There`s one. We have to take a look at nuclear energy. Release us to let us do nuclear energy. We should embrace sensible alternative energies. Ethanol doesn`t really fit into that category. After all, it does burn up the food supply.

And we also have to give into the hard fact that right now, I`m sorry, America runs on oil. If our economy is expected to thrive and even survive in the next few years, short and long -- short and midterm, we can`t ignore oil.

According to AAA, gas prices have risen six days in a row. You`re now paying 21 percent more for gas than you did last summer, like I have to tell you that.

We have to ramp up domestic offshore drilling, even off the coast of billionaire vacation spots like South Florida, California, and my favorite, Cape Cod.

Energy companies should be encouraged to look for oil everywhere: in your backyard, my backyard, everybody`s backyard, if that`s where it is. We don`t have to destroy the planet to find it. We just have to find it.

And we, unfortunately, need to start drilling in ANWR, even under that little patch of ice where the cutest little polar bear in Alaska lives. When it comes to a choice between saving the western civilization way of life or keeping Snowball the polar bear happy, I think I`m leaning towards the west.

So tonight, America, here`s what you need to know. Until we get a president and Congress with vision -- or really, I`ll just settle for one with a clue -- we need temporary energy solutions, and aggressive drilling in the United States is one of them.

I`m going to stay on this story all week. We`re going to look at some of the possibilities, but the No. 1 priority has got to be shedding our dependence on foreign oil. Until we learn from our history, we are doomed to repeat it.

Byron King is the analyst and editor of "Outstanding Investments."

OK, Byron, let`s say we go into ANWR, because this is what people were yelling at me over the weekend. I actually went someplace and they`re like, "You`re the guy who says we should start drilling in the ANWR." Well, yes, that`s one possibility.

How much oil can we get from ANWR or off our coast? Does it make any difference at all?

BYRON KING, EDITOR, "OUTSTANDING INVESTMENTS": It sure does make a lot of difference, Glenn, certainly in the medium-term. In the short-term, if we decided to drill in ANWR tomorrow, it would probably take us four years before we saw the first barrel even begin to come out.

So we`re making a 5-, 10-, 20-year commitment just for the drilling and the development, and then it`s a 100-year oil stream, Glenn. I mean, we`ve been producing oil at the North Slope for over 40 years, pipelining it for 30 years through the Great Alaska Pipeline, and there`s still 50 years left to go, so...

BECK: So how -- what is the percentage of oil -- how much can we reduce our foreign dependence on oil if we went after the known reserves that we had off our coastlines, in the gulf, in the ANWR, et cetera, et cetera? How much could we reduce our dependence on foreign oil?

KING: Well, if we were producing oil from ANWR, say today, which we`re not, but if we were, ANWR could produce -- and this is according to the U.S. Department of the interior, who knows something about it -- we could produce as much from ANWR as is produced in all of the state of Texas.

As far as offshore, on the East and West Coast, the best geological estimates are that we have about five times of the oil reserves that we have onshore right now are offshore off the East and West Coast, although, again, that`s a 15 and 20-year project to find and develop it.

BECK: But then, you know what, everybody says, "Oh, Glenn, but we need help at the gas pump right now." If I`m not mistake, again, if I want to look at history and try to learn from history, we said we were going to start making synthetic oil out of coal -- we`re the Saudi Arabia of coal -- we said this in the `80s, and the price of oil the Saudis and OPEC dropped it from, like, $36 a barrel to $8 a barrel.

We would see an immediate price decrease at the pump if the -- if Russia and OPEC actually thought we were serious, would we not?

KING: Oh, I believe so very definitely. I think that Mr. Chavez of Venezuela and Ahmadinejad of Iran, their worst nightmare is that the United States would get its energy act together with a long-term policy to exploit our own North American resources.

It`s not going to happen tomorrow, but over the medium and long-term as a nation, we have to do this. It`s a national security issue of the first priority.

BECK: So if you were -- if you were -- well, you were President King, or king of the president -- if you were the president right now and I came to you and I said, "Mr. King, what do we do first thing?" What is the first thing that we should be doing?"

KING: The first thing is having a long-term energy policy for the country, which includes, I have to say, Glenn, a stable dollar. If we keep killing the dollar long-term, you know, there`s just -- all bets are off the table.

BECK: OK.

KING: Stabilize the value of the dollar and adopt a long-term energy policy that exploits North American resources that are here that we know are here, and that we simply must have going forward in the future.

BECK: Byron, thank you very much.

You know what, America? I know, you`re so sick of hearing these problems every night because you know the solutions. They`re not that hard, you know? We may not know exactly what needs to happen first, but we know how to get them done. Common sense goes a long way, and America`s full of common sense, except from the boobs that you see on your television from Washington.

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This article looks like they have started drilling for oil in the dakotas a bit, just one/two companies, we need to call and push our elected officials to make sure that it can be done, that they are to drill responsibly (ie not ruin the landscape for years to come in the future)...I have seen working oil fields in the middle of Los Angeles that are doing fine, so it can be done.  But it looks like they could drill and be up and running in a MUCH shorter time than anything in alaska....IF THEY WANT TO.....and we need to push that part of it, otherwise, we get the standard "it will take 10 years at least blah blah blah..."

Note their estimate of the "higher cost of drilling horizontal" is only $20-$40 a barrel....and what did oil close at per barrel on Friday?????  Gas has gone up 32 cents a gallon just this month alone in the Seattle area.

http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news2.13s.html

 I do like the idea of printing out cards with the toll free number below on it, copy/paste the below onto a sheet to cover it and cut it out into card sized pieces and pass it out to people you see at the gas stations filling up their cars, I am sure that many will call their reps and demand a comprehensive energy plan be passed NOW!!

                                        

                      1-877-224-0041                                       and ask the Capitol operator to connect you to your senators and representative office (or any senator/rep you want to talk to).

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Where's the oil from the oil sands of Colorado?  Where's the oil from all those coal reserves we're supposed to have?

blaze77535 said: Mr Bush has not used the right language with the saudi's. Should be we want oil today or tomorrow it will be as Billy May says KABOOM. It is very hard for me to believe that a bunch of people with towels and water hoses on their heads are playing us like a fiddle. Not one shot fired and we are on our knees and will soon be down for the count. The fools in congress have no idea how to run a business, most would never survive in the corporate world this is the reason most are lawyers. Congress needs to be holding hearings with the OPEC jerks not corporate CEO's.

 

We should immediately cut off all trade with those OPEC countries.  No food stuffs, no weapons to the Saudis, no aircraft.  I don't care if the farmers and the arms dealers howl their heads off.  Its the bargaining chip we've got, use it!

I am in.  I will do what I can to contact Congress, the Newspapers, and anyone else who is willing to listen.

VeeBee, you are correct in saying that the Saudi's have dropped their oil prices once before while observing our attempt to develope synthetic fuels.  We have to take China's comsumption into consideration now, and the fact that the demand for oil is much greater now. I don't think we will see a price drop this time around; at least not until we are able to sell our alternative fuel source to other  Countries.  Only then will the Saudi's see the need to drop their prices, and increase their output.  But, with prices as high as they are, and the millions of dollars that we send to the milldle east, I am sure that the Saudi's are able to buy into the developement of alternative fuels as well, because we are so bancrupt both in dollars, and the willingness to keep our Independence.  The Globalists will find a way.

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Yes, Elania, I don't think if we started seriously drilling that the saudi's would drop the price as much as they did before that Glenn Beck mentioned, just due to china/india demanding more and more, but it would drop, and I am sure speculation, which is a huge part of the price per barrel now, the oil speculators, would drop as a more "safe" oil field was found in the USA.  But it sure looks like even if oil dropped to $30 a barrel, it could be very feasable to drill in the dakotas.  And, we would avoid that huge proposed pipeline from alaska thru canada for the oil up there.  That will NOT come cheap!

And, you are right, we will have to watch the alternative fuels to make sure they are not controlled by the oil companies/saudis.  For crying out loud, they make solar shingles now for roofs, you don't have to have some ugly big panels on your roof anymore, you can have something that blends in----http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_sh...

There is NO reason we can't use the good ole American "can do" attitude and get some of those empty factories in places like Detroit up and running making these solar shingles etc on an assembly line basis to get the cost down!!  It would put people back to work (no illegals need apply) and we would be slowly converting people over to solar, my house is perfectly situated for solar, but who can afford todays price to install it?  If we got the assembly line process we have built this country on working on it, it would soon be not much more than a regular roof IMO.  Plus, look at all the places in this world that could benefit from our doing this?  South America, Africa, etc, where the power is spotty at best in a lot of areas, now, they could have a clean power source for millions.

Unfortunately, the good ole Amercan "can do" has been driven off the road by a bunch of fat, lazy politicians these past 20-30 years who would prefer to tell us why we CAN NOT DO instead of helping us get up and rolling in a good direction to free us of oil.  But, I assume not only the oil companies own them (we know that bush/cheney are former oil men and have a ton of friends still in that business they want to reward), but don't forget the power companies, many would fight against you/me getting solar or a wind turbine to cut down on our fuel consumption due to the profits they want to make.  Stock holders and lobbyists can be a powerful enemy, but then again, stockholders can be a powerful allie too when it comes to funding a new factory to build solar shingles. 

I want to get one of those tankless water heaters, they have come down in price and can save you some cash if you use a lot of hot water!  They have been used for years in europe and Israel, why are we just now catching on to them??  We need the gov't to give tax breaks on them or rebates on them.

So, we have a ton of talking points to push push push them on!!

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We have to make sure that we are on the same page.  I am sure we all agree that we have many sources for alternative fuels available.  We have the need for fuel, for it drives our economy.  Unless the tree huggers come up with an alternative, they need to shut up until we can come up with a plan that pleases most.  As it is now, we as a Country would fall apart completely without foreign oil.  Until we have vehicles that run on water, we have to find a way to become independent.  Independence does not come about overnight, we have to start now.( actually, we should have started 20 years ago)

You are right, VeeBee.  We have many empty factories around the Country, and just as many people willing to work.  This is still the greatest Country in the world. Now we have to convince Congress, and that is, sadly, the toughest challenge.

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Buy Conoco the buy not raghead oil.

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As long as the 'tree huggers' control washington,this country is in for a rough ride,or maybe I should use the word 'walk'. The coal for oil that can be converted at $52 a barrel is allowed only for the military. We have a 200 year supply. We could be energy independent,almost overnight. South Africa has been using this energy source for 50 years. Germany used it in World War 2. What's frightening is that they just keep electing these &$#!*& (cannot think of word terrible enough to describe them.) I guess we get the government we deserve.

Elaina sent this to me as she could no longer find the thread, there is a petition to sign on this to start drilling, you might want to sign it and send it on to friends...here is the link:

www.americansolutions.com

click on the large "drill here, drill now, pay less" banner...I guess that Sean Hannity has it on his website too, and there is a video by Newt on the site as he supports it...try to keep this going and remember to call your congressperson, I did call my 2 senators and rep the other day to tell them we want to start drilling NOW in the dakotas to see if there is oil there or we are going to blame the democrats, who are in charge of both houses, for the estimated $5 a gallon for gas by Labor Day and vote accordingly.

I signed above petition at approx 2am pdt and the total was 100,950 signatures...

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I have signed the petition but feel it is not complete. It speaks incompletely and offers them a way out of doing anything for years. Petition reads:

We, therefore, the undersigned citizens of the United States, petition the U.S. Congress to act immediately to lower gasoline prices by authorizing the exploration of proven energy reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries.

My point is: The underlined phrase - we do not need to explore as US geological surveys have been made in many of these areas. It should also read that we demand drilling begin immediately. Authorizing exploration gives them the option of saying "we need further exploration before we can proceed." And years down the road, when we are all beaten down into the Third World, we will be glad to take what "they" give us.

On a side note: Why does every congressman/woman and political candidate feel they must make a fact-finding mission to Iraq? Do we not trust our generals to report truthfully? How many side trips and stops are made in Greece, Paris, Rome on our dime? Why do they feel they have the right to use this fuel needlessly? It should be conserved for military operations. Isn't this the age of communication? We have satellite hookups - conference calls - immediate video feed. What purpose is served by these expensive flights when they have no individual power to change anything in that region? What makes them think they are so important and their opinions matter so much more than anyone else's? Are the American citizens the only ones who are supposed to conserve fuel - so they can use it?

Mz said:

I have signed the petition but feel it is not complete. It speaks incompletely and offers them a way out of doing anything for years. Petition reads:

We, therefore, the undersigned citizens of the United States, petition the U.S. Congress to act immediately to lower gasoline prices by authorizing the exploration of proven energy reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries.

My point is: The underlined phrase - we do not need to explore as US geological surveys have been made in many of these areas. It should also read that we demand drilling begin immediately. Authorizing exploration gives them the option of saying "we need further exploration before we can proceed." And years down the road, when we are all beaten down into the Third World, we will be glad to take what "they" give us.

On a side note: Why does every congressman/woman and political candidate feel they must make a fact-finding mission to Iraq? Do we not trust our generals to report truthfully? How many side trips and stops are made in Greece, Paris, Rome on our dime? Why do they feel they have the right to use this fuel needlessly? It should be conserved for military operations. Isn't this the age of communication? We have satellite hookups - conference calls - immediate video feed. What purpose is served by these expensive flights when they have no individual power to change anything in that region? What makes them think they are so important and their opinions matter so much more than anyone else's? Are the American citizens the only ones who are supposed to conserve fuel - so they can use it?

You are right, language could be a bit stronger, but we can follow up with a phone call to their offices to use the "demand" language...especially since I noticed when bussing across town today that gas regular unleaded self serve is $4.09 and diesel is now $5.09 in my town south of Seattle!!

As for the junkets, beats me why they are going other than for re-election purposes.  I remember a few months ago they started some public service announcements about saving energy, and one of the spokespersons was Cameron Diaz, who is an OK ditsy actress and has been in some cute films, but to have HER telling us to save gas when she spends her life on a jet was AMAZING!!  I mean, if it is Monday, she is surfing in Hawai'i, oh Tuesday?  opening a club in Los Angeles, Weds?  she is shopping in NYC, Thursday?  club hopping in Miami, Friday? well she just MUST fly to Paris to continue her shopping spree, Saturday?  film opening in Italy, Sunday?  back in Los Angeles....and so her life goes, like her fuel consumption for just plain crap trips seems to be endless while she tells the rest of the world how to conserve!  Politicians and actors, not much difference between them, they are all liars and after their own glory...

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There are many options for cheaper solutions out there but the democratic congress refuses to explore.  Ted Kennedy didn't want the wind mills spoiling his landscapte etc.  I just posted an article under SPP Done Deal --and it alludes to the fact that the SPP is all about OIL (Canadas).  Is this oil thing a way to make us think SPP is to our benefit?http://www.firesociety.com/forum/thread/25135/SPP-DONE-DEAL---

I would say that people should scratch a little deeper than the surface... Oil went down according to a news story I read on the net today - but gas prices kept going up!  What's the answer now?

153,900 petition signers as of now!

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Lady Jane said: I would say that people should scratch a little deeper than the surface... Oil went down according to a news story I read on the net today - but gas prices kept going up!  What's the answer now?

 

From what I have heard is that todays price of gas doesn't reflect the price of a barrel of oil on a daily basis, that our gas prices are several weeks behind, so, to reflect todays prices, gas would have to go up another 50 cents or so per gallon....todays prices reflect a what oil was per barrel a month or two ago, so, scarey times indeed coming down the pike.

As for drilling, I noticed on that one map of the dakotas, that some of that estimated oil field they think goes under Canada, so, I am sure the powers that be, ie congress and the prez, would INSIST that canada share HALF the oil found in that "strike" if indeed there are massive gallons of oil under the dakotas.

I just sent an email to Nancy Pelosi's office (you can only contact her via her Speaker of the House website) with the usual complaints, I know she is one of the worst ones, but, figure I am watching TV anyway and had time on my hands...

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