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May 20, 2008 06:51 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Figures lie, and liars figure ................... here's a study we will start hearing about.  This from the front page of today's Houston Chronicle business section:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/5790992.html

May 19, 2008, 10:40PM
Price put at $1.8 trillion
Study: That's what U.S. would lose if undocumented immigrants vanished

By JENALIA MORENO
Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle

RESOURCES

BENEFITS AND COSTS


The impact of illegal immigration on the U.S. economy.

• 8.1 million: illegal immigrants

• $1.8 trillion: annual spending, U.S.

• $220.7 billion: annual spending, Texas

• $652 billion : annual contribution to U.S. GDP

• $27 billion or more: * the costs of education, health care and incarceration in six states, including Texas

Sources: The Perryman Group;

*Federation for American Immigration Reform

If the 8.1 million undocumented immigrants who cut lawns, bus tables and perform other jobs disappeared overnight, the nation's economy would lose nearly $1.8 trillion in annual spending.

Texas, the second-hardest-hit state after California, would lose 1.2 million undocumented workers and $220.7 billion in expenditures.

These are just some of the findings from a study done by the Perryman Group, a Waco-based economic analysis firm, whose work was commissioned by Americans for Immigration Reform, a group spearheaded by the Greater Houston Partnership.

Houston's business community is trying to revive the politically charged immigration reform debate that has stalled in Congress. It plans to raise $12 million by December to fund a campaign for reform and thus far it says it has raised about 10 percent of that goal in pledges.

The government has recently increased enforcement, with raids at work sites and plans to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. But getting rid of all undocumented immigrants would hurt, not help the economy, Charles Foster, an immigration attorney and chairman of Americans for Immigration Reform, said Monday.

"If you do that, you would have serious economic upset," Foster said.

He said immigration reform needs to give employers a method of hiring immigrants legally.

"We need comprehensive reform that looks at our needs and addresses those needs," said Ray Perryman, president of the Perryman Group, which examined data for 500 sectors of the economy, Census Bureau surveys and other data to arrive at its conclusions.

Doing the work, or not

Perryman said that with many of the nation's baby boomers retiring and the nation experiencing a low unemployment rate, undocumented immigrants are performing the jobs other American workers could not.

 

Groups like the Washington, D.C.-based Federation for American Immigration Reform, however, disagree.

They contend that Americans would do those jobs and that undocumented workers drive down wages.

'Subsidized jobs'

"In many cases, there were people doing the jobs before the illegal immigrants showed up," said Ira Mehlman, national media director for the federation. "In many cases, these are just subsidized jobs because the employer can get away with whatever he's paying. A lot of these studies begin with the presumption that the jobs would not be getting done if not for the illegal immigrants."

 

A 2007 report by the federation said the costs of education, health care and incarceration of undocumented immigrants in six states, including Texas, exceeds $27 billion annually.

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BTW, for those few who don't know already, Immigration Reform is code for AMNESTY -- there's no need for reform -- we need our laws enforced -- PERIOD! 

The bottom line:  When I want to go to Mexico, I will ...............  Kicking Dirt 







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May 20, 2008 07:03 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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They cost way more then they are worth!  That's the bottom line!  They can all go home! 
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About a year ago our own House of Representatives put out figures that approximately 25 people are killed daily on American soil at the hands of the illegal invaders.  Drunken illegal....many times.... repeat offenders are killing approximately 13 per day.  The other estimated 12 per day are lost to out and out murder.   A grieving widow in Utah just recently went to court trying to find justice for her husband.  You see, he was killed by a drunken illegal Mexican.  He was a   repeat offender who received only a misdemeanor charge for his crime.  In Utah, leaving the scene of an accident is a class B misdemeanor. Leaving the scene of an accident in which there is serious injury or death is a class A misdemeanor.  It is at this point you must wonder what in the hay happened to Mothers Against Drunk Drivers.   I guess they, like the environmentalist, march only to certain drums.

 

I don't believe anyone has ever tried to put a figure on the huge amounts of drug trade that our government has allowed to continue for more than 20 years.  According to Lou Dobbs, that opened border is and for the past 20 years has been a source for huge amounts of cocaine, marijuana, methamphetamines, and heroine.   America has lost an entire generation to drugs.  The rehab programs were only for show.  Putting a cost on the lost lives of American children would be impossible.  You would have to consider all the auto accidents; all the over-doses; all the robbery/murders to support the habit; all the premature babies; all the cost in extra police enforcement and the list goes on and on and on.

 

The so called representatives in Washington will study anything as long as it fits their template.  I would have to ask them if they have any idea how much in natural resources these illegal invaders consume.  I promise you they have no idea.  Water is a precious and limited resource in Georgia...and it is becoming more precious and more limited. 

 

My question to the author of this garbage would be:  What kind of price tag are you placing on over 60,000 dead Americans at the hands of the illegals?   The total reflected is just since 9/11.  At what point would the lives of American citizens take precedence over the wants of criminals?

Those of us here in Georgia who have had friends, relatives, doctors, and neighbors killed or murdered needlessly at the hands of these criminal invaders would greatly appreciate these criminals leaving...and that means as quickly as possible. 



May 20, 2008 09:18 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Here's another illegal alien travesty, beyondangry:

http://www.firesociety.com/forum/thread/25165/-Houston--Illegal-alien-Quintero-convicted-of-capital-murder-in-death-of-HPD-officer/



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May 21, 2008 11:46 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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OK -- two more editorials in this morning's Houston Chronicle.

This is an uphill battle folks -- it seems all that matters is the overall effect on our economy (even if the numbers are grossly wrong) -- broke immigration laws -- quickly bringing us down to third world status -- NAH -- doesn't matter to the money grubbers!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/casey/5793329.html

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/steffy/5793519.html



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May 21, 2008 11:47 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Rick Casey  

May 20, 2008, 10:08PM
COMMENTARY
Immigration economics: six from six

By RICK CASEY
Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle

I would like to thank the business leadership of Houston for commissioning an economic study of the impact of undocumented workers — illegal immigrants to many of my fine readers — on the economies of the United States and Texas.

Economist Ray Perryman forcefully argues that immigrants, including those who are less than legal, are vital to the U.S. economy.

He's right, and the points he makes are very important.

Of course, I have no faith in his numbers.

That's partly because anyone who projects out numbers regarding an underground economy without soaking the figures in large gobs of humility is not to be trusted.

You sure it's not 8,101,325?

Many immigrants are paid off the books, but the problem is even more basic than that. We can't even agree how many there are.

 

Perryman puts the number of permanent jobs held by undocumented workers at the decidedly unhumble figure of 8,101,324. The number of undocumented immigrants, including children and others not holding permanent jobs, is higher. But how much higher?

The total in 2000, according to the Census Bureau, was 8 million.

In 2006, according to the Department of Homeland Security, it was 11 million.

The same year, the Pew Hispanic Center put it at 12 million, up from 10.3 million the same group estimated two years earlier.

A competitor one-ups me

But a Bear Stearns analysis of 2005 Census Bureau statistics put it at 20 million.

 

If the base numbers are that squishy, the economic house built on top of them is shaky indeed.

Yet I think Perryman, who understands that the media love phony precision more than rounded-off estimates, is going in the right direction. But I'm uncomfortable taking the ride with him. I've seen him work before.

It was nearly 20 years ago and then-Mayor Henry Cisneros was desperately trying to persuade the voters of San Antonio to tax themselves for a domed football stadium, under the belief that if he built it, they (the NFL) would come.

Polls showed the voters knew better, so it was decided to sell the stadium also as a convention facility. The Chamber of Commerce paid Perryman $35,000 for a study that predicted the stadium would be an economic boon.

I was suspicious from the first page and more suspicious at the end.

The introduction described San Antonio as the 10th-largest city in the nation, a statistic that has no place in an economic study.

The economics of cities are defined by the size of their markets. At that time, San Antonio, which had few suburbs, wasn't among the top 40 markets.

Then there was the end of the study — a set of tables predicting with proud specificity how many permanent jobs of what sort would be added to the economy by that edifice. I remember writing that I was reluctant to support any endeavor that would produce more lawyers than teachers.

A columnist in the competing paper one-upped me.

He discounted the study as unrealistic because it didn't find that a combined NFL stadium and convention facility didn't add one prostitute or cocaine dealer.

In fact, of course, the Alamodome had very little economic impact. Some politicians credited it with spawning an adjacent subdivision of affordable houses, ignoring the fact that the $75,000 homes were subsidized by taxpayers at more than $100,000 each.

The fact is, Dr. Perryman, a Rice University graduate based in Waco, has long held a reputation for providing numbers pleasing to whatever group hires him.

To his credit, he's not ideological about it. He has found the arts to be enormously important to the economy, and gambling would be great for our economy, as is the governor's economic development slush fund.

In 1995 the Wall Street Journal described him in a headline as "a Genius — for Self Promotion."

He denies he ever cooked his books, but was described as "the most bought economist in Texas" by an Austin City Council member after he predicted that environmental regulations would cost the city 131,000 permanent jobs. Many of them passed and, of course, Austin has withered up.

Still, I applaud the new study. I want to end illegal immigration — by making a lot more of it legal.

One reason is that I think immigrants have been great for the country and will continue to be.

My daughters have ancestors who immigrated from Asia about, we think, 10,000 years ago. And, among others, they have ancestors who came from England nearly 300 years ago and Ireland about 110 years ago.

Imagine what America would look like if we had limited the gene pool to the English.

The other reason I like immigrants is that I didn't make enough babies.

My parents had six children. My father referred to us as "the Protestants on the block."

The McLaughlins behind us had eight. The Foys next door had 14.

From those six children, my parents got six grandchildren. That's not enough to pay for our Social Security and Medicare.

So Perryman can throw around whatever numbers he wants. Six from six is the statistic that matters to me.

You can write to Rick Casey at P.O. Box 4260, Houston, TX 77210, or e-mail him at rick.casey@chron.com .



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Business: Loren Steffy  

May 20, 2008, 10:51PM
They may be illegal but we still need them

By LOREN STEFFY
Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle

The market is telling us something that many of us don't want to hear.

It whispers it in the numbers that filter, largely overlooked, through the immigration debate. Consider the most basic: In Texas, we have an estimated 1.1 million undocumented workers, compared with 450,000 people listed as unemployed.

Even if every unemployed Texan had a job, we still wouldn't have enough people to meet the labor demand, even if we sent all the illegal immigrants home.

Nationally, we face a narrower gap but the same situation — about 8.1 million illegal immigrants and about 7.5 million unemployed workers.

So we can build fences, step up patrols, get tough on deportations and decry the social and economic costs of illegal immigration, but we can't escape the market's message: We need them.

"They're filling a gap in the work force," Waco economist Ray Perryman said.

Filling in for boomers

As the baby boomers retire, there simply aren't enough eligible workers to do unskilled jobs.

 

Perryman's research firm on Monday released an economic study that attempts to blunt the blaring blather of talk radio and other anti-immigrant fear-baiting.

Backed by the Greater Houston Partnership and the affiliated Americans for Immigration Reform, business leaders are hoping the study will change the debate to focus on economics, the underlying issue that's driving illegal immigration.

"There's been a lot of heat but not very much light," said Charles Foster, an immigration attorney and AIR chairman. "You just hear this simplistic talk about building walls and 'what part of illegal do you not understand.' "

The immigration may be illegal, but the persistence shows that our laws are flawed, that they fail to recognize our economy's need for cheap labor.

Staggering consequences

Shutting down illegal immigration and deporting the undocumented workers who are here would have immediate and staggering consequences for our already battered economy.

 

Illegal immigrants contribute almost $652 billion annually to the U.S. gross domestic product, Perryman said. Removing them would eliminate almost $1.8 trillion in annual spending from our economy.

That isn't a gap that can be remedied with government stimulus checks or other political gimmicks.

For months now economists have debated whether we are in a recession or just a severe slowdown, yet unemployment remains at a stunningly low 5 percent.

Those numbers tell us that illegal immigration is a market response to a labor shortage.

Getting smarter

Nor is the labor gap going to get smaller. As the population ages, demand for unskilled workers will continue to rise. As a work force, though, we're not just getting older, we're getting smarter.

 

In 1960, 50 percent of all men in the U.S. took low-skill jobs without completing high school, Perryman found. The number is now less than 10 percent.

To make up for the loss of unskilled workers in the country illegally, we'd have to draw better-educated workers into less skilled jobs.

"We'd have to raise wages a lot, which is inefficient and bad for the economy," Perryman said.

Significantly higher wages, of course, mean higher prices, which affect living standards and ultimately put a damper on economic growth.

That's bad in the best economy, but given the current prospect of a possible recession and the looming threat of mounting inflation, we can't afford the short-sighted immigration policies that favor enforcement at all costs.

At the same time, some of the cost concerns about immigration are valid. While undocumented workers pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits overall, they tend to pay most of their taxes at the federal level and claim benefits locally — putting a disproportionate burden on local governments, schools, hospitals and social services.

Not keeping pace

There are, of course, legal avenues for immigration, but the market is telling us those policies aren't working. The legal immigration process simply can't keep pace with the mounting labor demand.

 

So we need changes in the law that recognize the revenue disparities and give the government some control over the flow of immigration without undermining the economic benefit.

We can't deny what the market is telling us. We may not want to admit it, but 8 million people aren't coming here for the health care.

They're coming here because we need them.

Loren Steffy is the Chronicle's business columnist. His commentary appears Sundays, Wednesdays and Fridays. Contact him at loren.steffy@chron.com. His blog is at http://blogs.chron.com/lorensteffy/.



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May 21, 2008 01:58 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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I will never eat a strawberry again if it means I don’t see any barrios in the US. I will give up lettuce and a multitude of other supposed “cheap” commodities and services to get rid of the gangs, drugs and low-life aspect of this sub-culture. 

Mexico and Mexicans have squandered the last 200 years and now blame us for it. If we are getting the hardest working people in the world from Mexico god help us. After 200 years Mexico hasn’t even developed a dependable postal system.

This whole discussion is really about what America will look like in the future. The misguided and/or deceitful arguments used by the open borders/Aztlan crowd are because they hate the USA and us. Even the social and economic collapse of the western hemisphere is preferable to them over the USA being a superpower. That includes McCain, Bush and the majority in Washington down to many Mayors and town councils. Most of them don’t understand the danger their position puts this country in because they do not know how unique and fragile our federal system is.

 
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And here is a great link with "real time" stats that are constantly updated to reflect the "cost" of illegals to WE THE LEGAL and an approximation of ACTUAL numbers:

http://www.immigrationcounters.com/

10,511,057- SKILLED JOBS TAKEN BY ILLEGALS.....

Cost to INCARCERATE Illegals who commit MORE CRIMES since 2001......$1, 417,129, 083 and rising by the minute......this is just to INCARCERATE these illegals in OUR PRISONS! Yes, that figure is correct...over 1 TRILLION DOLLARS FOR INCARCERATION COSTS ALONE!

Great thread Jim...EXCELLENT post!

 



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(CM) Jim from Texas said:

-- quickly bringing us down to third world status -- NAH -- doesn't matter to the money grubbers!

 

 

SPIRAL OF IMMIGRANT CORRUPTION IN AMERICA

 

 

 

By Frosty Wooldridge

NewsWithViews.com

"Corruption becomes a mechanism by which Third World societies operate," Heath Boatwright said. "When you immigrate millions of them illegally into the United States, you create exactly the same lawlessness in our country. They feel at home because so many of their countrymen break the law with fellow illegal aliens that it is a ‘normal' continuance of their behavior in our civilization."

Back in Athens, Georgia today, Boatwright lived in South America for several years. He observed how societies operated with an edge toward corruption in all aspects of their people and governments. How can I vouch for Boatwright's observations? I traveled for nine months on bicycle throughout South America. I saw what he saw. It's not pretty.

When I wrote about corruption in Mexico and other Third World countries, I mentioned that citizens must bribe mail carriers or suffer their undelivered mail. In Asia, you must get your letters cancelled at the post office or they will steal stamps off your envelope. Bribery is a way of life when it comes to the police in Third World countries. When a car accident occurs in Mexico, all parties split the scene. Why? No one wants to be caught because they don't carry insurance, no licenses, have outstanding warrants or they may be carrying drugs.

To give you an idea of how fast the United States careens into Third World standard operating procedure, in Greeley, Colorado last year, police recorded 270 hit and run accidents last year. Greeley, with less than 70,000 residents, houses the largest contingent of Mexicans in Colorado. They illegally work at the meat packing plant. They drink like fish after work. They drive. With these realities, driving on Saturday nights in Greeley places you in great danger.

In Colorado's Department of Motor Vehicles, last year, two Hispanics employees gave over 200 illegal aliens Commercial Driver's Licenses and hundreds regular licenses. Those illegals couldn't read a test let alone take it or pass it with their sixth grade educations in Spanish. Yet, they drove on our highways in 50,000 pound 18-wheelers running at 70 miles per hour and were implicated in over 26 crashes.

Colorado suffered three deaths by illegal aliens in the past year. Illegal drunken Mexicans killed two Americans, Justin Goodman and Dale Englerth. One Mexican shot and killed Officer Don Young in cold blood. How did they get away with it? Our own corrupt leaders from Governor Owens down to Denver Mayor Hickenlooper support city sanctuary policies and aid the illegals to remain in Colorado against federal laws.

Colorado estimates 300,000 illegal aliens operating within its borders. They defraud the state out of millions of dollars in welfare claims, anchor babies, food stamps, assisted housing, felony crimes, drug distribution and burglaries in homes and businesses.

How about Texas? They harbor 1.5 million illegal Mexicans and others from Africa and Asia. It's SO saturated with illegals that they are considering use of illegal aliens to teach Spanish in our schools to illegal alien kids! How frickin' crazy and totally insane is that? In the meantime, their hit and run numbers run off the charts. Who pays? Texans pay with higher insurance rates and taxes for schools totally flooded with illegal alien kids. Last October, an illegal alien killed Officer Brian Jackson in Dallas.

"There is not only great concern that the drug trade is becoming more aggressive, but that terrorist organizations are seeking to exploit our porous border," Governor Rick Perry of Texas said. "Last year alone, 135,000 people who are not of Mexican descent were apprehended entering Texas illegally. The threat is real, and it grows each day."

Check out Arizona! A year ago, they suffered 57,600 stolen vehicles making Phoenix the new car jacking capitol of the world. With 500,000 illegal aliens in Arizona, schools have turned into gang wars and education has turned into a farce. To top that off, Arizona suffers millions and millions of tons of trash and human waste running the length of their border with Mexico. Mexicans think trash, soiled baby diapers, urine bottles and garbage belong anywhere but a trash can. It's so bad that the Arizona governor declared a ‘state of emergency' driven by the invasion of illegal aliens last year. Too little, too late!

How about Georgia? In 2002, they paid out $27 million for illegal alien anchor babies out of their citizens' taxes at the state level. Illegal aliens receiving public assistance cost them $42 million. Illegal aliens tapped into $63 million of free health care that cost Georgians. Illegal alien convicted felons cost Georgians $15 million for prison costs.

California stands at the forefront of this national nightmare. The corruption, graft, cheating on taxes, paying no taxes, horrific crimes from the ‘18th Street Gang' along with MS-13 Gang defies imagination. Get this! In the past five years, 86 California hospitals and ER wards bankrupted! California suffers $38 billion debt. Over two million kids go to school in trailers along with hordes of illegal alien kids. Los Angeles is no longer an American city and the crime and graft is now in the hands of Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa who is an advocate for La Raza and ‘Reconquista de Aztlan' or reconquest of the four Border States.

We simply allowed so much illegal alien migration that now, Villaraigosa has embedded himself into Los Angeles to help more Mexicans take over the city. How did he get elected? Try voter fraud by more than three million illegal aliens residing in LA. Today, Los Angeles is unfit for Americans to live there. Given enough time, it will mirror the slums, crime and misery of Mexico City.

How about Maine? Governor Baldacci signed an executive order making his state the first to give sanctuary to all illegal aliens. It's against federal law to "...aid, abet, encourage, assist or in any way help an illegal alien to remain in the United States no matter what your personal convictions." USC 8, 1324, 274, 275, 276. Their social services are being overrun and overwhelmed. This illustrates how far and high corruption rises in government.

Yet, the lawlessness grows like a runaway cancer. Denver Mayor Hickenlooper broke immigration laws before becoming mayor. Instead of going to prison, he laughs at the law even while one of his hired employees killed Officer Don Young in cold blood. The City Council of Boulder, Colorado snores while its sanctuary policy helped eight illegals rape eight Boulder women. The Boulder city mayor sighs while Dale Englerth's family suffers from their father's death at the hands of a drunken Mexican who had been stopped nine times before killing Englerth.

I can write about Colorado with only 300,000 illegals and see the lawlessness first hand because I live there. States like North Carolina with over 1,000,000 illegals suffer consequences three times that of Colorado. Chicago has turned into another Mexico. Miami is now North Havana, Cuba!

Bear-Stearns' report last year showed $400 billion in unpaid IRS taxes by illegal aliens annually and exposed it as the world's second largest underground economy. Who makes up that money? You do! The report didn't show the $60 billion in cash transfers being sent out of our country annually! While cheating, raping, stealing and killing us-they send our money back home.

Take a guess at the cost of illegal aliens in state and federal prisons annually. Try a whopping $1.6 billion to keep over 500,000 illegal aliens and legal criminal felon immigrants locked up! They equal 29 percent of all criminals in our prisons. That's after they've committed crimes of rape, murders, robberies, child molestation, drug trade, sex trade and worse on our citizens.

When this Congress and president blissfully sit by making excuses for illegal aliens in our country, against our laws, against our Constitution--while law-abiding American citizens get their hearts cut out-it's disgusting, sickening and pathetic at the highest levels of government. It's even more sickening when you realize that their corruption grows with such men as lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Worse, Abramoff got caught while God knows how many like him don't get caught! If we dug deeper, we'd find that corruption is a way of life for who knows how many of our elected senators and congressmen. How many more Duke Cunningham's ($2.4 million in kickback bribes) and Tom Delay's are out there lying, cheating and screwing Americans out of money and out of our country-all for the green back dollar?

I can't wait for the investigation to show the $8 billion unaccounted for as to expenditures in Iraq as reported on CBS Evening News last Friday, February 10, 2006. Anyone want to bet that Halliburton's abuse of our war dollars will be a bigger scandal than Abramoff? What's worse, our young men and women are getting killed while those people at Halliburton get rich.

The lawlessness doesn't stop there. Third World corruption infects every sector of our society. Employers of illegals relish income tax evasion. They force Americans out of jobs. Consequently, our working poor stand in food stamp lines, unemployment lines, welfare lines and other avenues of degradation. Can you imagine the fraud of the H-1B, H-2B and L-t visas? Our finest high tech workers suffer displacement by cheap Third World immigrants who work the same jobs for peanuts. Somebody enriches their wallet at the expense of Americans. Our citizens become victims of illegal alien crime, drugs, school chaos and drunken highway madness.

 

Think beyond next month, next year, next decade. What happens when we add another 20 million illegals on top of the 20 million we already have? What happens when we add another 10 million legal immigrants from these same countries--and we are--to our country in the next 10 years?

 

No matter how you define it, humanitarian or not, as their numbers grow, our consequences accelerate. How far do you want to go down this rat hole? Keep silent, never speak up, don't complain, always go with the flow, watch it from the sidelines, pride yourself in not being called a racist or xenophobe, trust your senators and congressmen-soon, like the citizens of Mexico or any degraded country-you too will be another victim of Third World corruption.

More sobering, America will be a Third World country.

 
May 28, 2008 08:55 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Another thread was started a few days after this one - please refer to it for add'l info.  It has been locked -- please post on this thread:

http://www.firesociety.com/forum/thread/25835/Houston-Business-Study-Says-Economy-Would-Be-Crippled-by-Deportations/



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"Sources:  The Perryman Group"

http://www.perrymangroup.com/

REPRESENTATIVE CLIENTS

 

MAJOR CORPORATIONS

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(Owned by a Global Billionaire Elitist)

 
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If the illegal aliens are so darn valuable why do the American taxpayers have to support them on social services???

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer...

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fisc...

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fisc...

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPT...

 

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPT...

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPT...

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.

http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/06...

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPT...

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the United States.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPT...

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S. from the Southern border.

NEW: Homeland Security Report:http://www.house.gov/mccaul/pdf/Inves...

12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."

http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.or...

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/c...

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States".

http://www.drdsk.com/articles.html

15. Everyday 12 Americans are murdered by an illegal alien. Another 13 Americans are killed by uninsured drunk illegal aliens. Everyday 8 Children are victims of sex crimes committed by illegal aliens! More Americans are being killed on American SOIL each day by the hands of illegal aliens, than are being killed in the Iraq war and Afghanistan war combined!!!!!

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearin...

16. Today, criminal aliens account for over 29 percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities and a higher share of all federal prison inmates. These prisoners represent the fastest growing segment of the federal prison population.

Incarceration of criminal aliens cost an estimated $624 million to state prisons (1999) and $891 million to federal prisons (2002), according to the most recent available figure from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer...

17. "Illegal Aliens and American Medicine". "Many illegal aliens harbor fatal diseases that American Medicine fought and vanquished long ago, such as drug-resistant tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue and Chagas disease." The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons Volume 10 Spring 2005

http://www.jpands.org/jpands1001.htm

18. In 2002, HIV/AIDS was the third leading cause of death among Hispanic men aged 35 to 44 and the fourth leading cause of death among Hispanic women in the same age group. Most Hispanic men were exposed to HIV through sexual contact with other men. Source (CDC): http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/fact...

19. If enacted the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act (CIRA, S. 2611) would be the most dramatic change in immigration law in 80 years, allowing an estimated 103 million persons to legally immigrate to the U.S. over the next 20 years – fully one-third of the current population of the United States.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immi...

20. U.S. Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) today unveiled an impact analysis that shows the Senate immigration bill – should it become law – would permit up to 217.1 million new legal immigrants into the United States over the next 20 years, a number equal to 66 percent of the total current population.

http://sessions.senate.gov/pressapp/r...

21. The number of illegal immigrants in the United States may be as high as 20 million people, more than double the official 9 million people estimated by the Census Bureau. 1/3/05

http://www.bearstearns.com/bscportal/...

22. Cases of Leprosy on The Rise In The U.S., The New York Times. "While there were some 900 recorded cases in the United States 40 years ago, today more than 7,000 people have leprosy." Leprosy is an airborne virus, it can also be spread by touching and coughing

http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert...

http://jscms.jrn.columbia.edu/cns/200...

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78621

23. Mexico is the FOURTH RICHEST OIL NATION IN THE WORLD!!! Source: CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/02/18/obit.lopez.ap/

24. Organizations Protesting Immigration Reform, State by State. Won’t you join in?

http://www.oregonir.org/Immigration_Reform_Orgs.htm

25. In 2007, Legal and illegal aliens, cost the federal government more than $346 Billion dollars and the U.S. taxpayers paid more than $9,000. for each immigrant in the country!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080409/NATION/341902874/1002/NATIONhttp://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080409/NATION/341902874/1002/NATION



Just one of the Plethora of Bad Azz Patriots!
May 30, 2008 04:54 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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What they NEED to do is stop trying to make Houston out to be a place that you can come and live.

http://www.houston.org/whyHouston/relocate.asp

They need to do something with the Ship channel, and stop spending tax money spending where it isn't needed! They already owe the Federal government funds for past funds for HUD. They should concentrate on that and do something about the SO-CALLED 311 online system that they set up for residents so the residents or anyone  can use for help that is for non-emergerncy! I see illegals everyday especially at early dawn, and tried reporting, and what did they do? Nothing!



trmy2008
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From the L. A. Times 1.42% of all workers in L. A.County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card. 2.96% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens. 3.78% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens. 4.Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers. 5.Nearly 40% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally. 6.Over 350,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages. 7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border. 8.Nearly 70% of all occu! pants of HUD properties are illegal. 9.21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking. 10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English,4.3 million speak Spanish.(There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )  (All 10 of the above are from the Los Angeles Times) Less than 2% of i llegal aliens are picking our crops, but 37% are on welfare. ; Over 73% of the United States ' annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration. 34% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens. We are a bunch of fools for letting this continue.When will our Goverment take responsibility and STOP this.
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Illegal Immigration IS an American Issue!!! Good article! http://www.borderfirereport.net/micha...

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