I enjoy the passion of the dialogue hear at FS but I long for action not words. I admire what they are doing at NoMoreInvasion and would like to be part of it but live far away from the action. So I started thinking what I could do that would have an effect on the situation.
I have come to the conclusion that most of us feel the same way about the illegal alien issue and about our three top tier presidential choices, I call them Three Amigos and will refer to them as such.
I have a few Ideas but here is the one that comes to the top.
ONE:
I submit that we endeavor to channel all of our passion toward achievable goals. It will take time to define and refine them so now is the time to get started.
What can we really get done?
Vote for someone other than the Three Amigos who can win? NO
Vote someone to send a message and promote our values better? YES
Who should we vote for?
Our own personal favorite? Maybe
A FS consensus candidate? Yes
I intend to write in Romney as of now but I can be persuaded to change if it will have a larger impact. The only way this will be relevant is if a good number of us are willing to be flexible. For example I believe that Ron Paul (please take no offence) would be a poor president. However since the Three Amigos are also poor choices I would vote for him if he became the FS Consensus candidate. If we can agree on a candidate then we could pass it along to other blogs etc. and while not expecting to will we could be heard.
I also call them the three amigos and will not vote for any of the three.
I believe that there is streghth in numbers and would like to join a consensus on a candidate as I dont believe my vote is ever wasted if I vote my for my beliefs.
I have already opened my ears and mind as we need to defeat these idiots
As one of the few liberals on this forum, I could support a candiate like Romney, but could NOT support someone who is on the far religious right like Huckabee, I want a PRESIDENT, not a preacher in the white house! Someone who represents all the people's choice of religions or NON CHOICE, not someone who pushes some "christian born again" crap down our throats.
And, if we get serious about this, we have to bombard the republican and democratic committees about our choice and WHY we are going to write him/her in, and we have to be prepared to get obama as a president in the end, because doing this, will enable him to become president hands down.
I had to laugh today at John Edwards endorsing obama, I mean, like HE counts, during the 2004 election, he could not even carry his own state for Kerry!! Somehow, some millionaire lawyer who lives in a 22,000 sq foot house isn't someone who identifies with ME and MINE!
If you have to hyphenate your race--you are NOT an American!! This from a French-German-English-Irish-AMERICAN! See how silly this can become?
Vee Bee are you truly in your heart willing to vote for anyone of the three amigos. We need to look and find a viable candidate that can carry the vote. Here at FS and other affiliated groups we are a formidable force to be dealt with. Remember Ross Perot?
I'm more than willing to vote for someone other than the three amigos. I like Ron Paul but would be willing to compromise on someone else if we had enough voters for that someone else.
As one of the few liberals on this forum, I could support a candiate like Romney, but could NOT support someone who is on the far religious right like Huckabee, I want a PRESIDENT, not a preacher in the white house! Someone who represents all the people's choice of religions or NON CHOICE, not someone who pushes some "christian born again" crap down our throats.
And, if we get serious about this, we have to bombard the republican and democratic committees about our choice and WHY we are going to write him/her in, and we have to be prepared to get obama as a president in the end, because doing this, will enable him to become president hands down.
I had to laugh today at John Edwards endorsing obama, I mean, like HE counts, during the 2004 election, he could not even carry his own state for Kerry!! Somehow, some millionaire lawyer who lives in a 22,000 sq foot house isn't someone who identifies with ME and MINE!
I think you missed the essence of what I am getting at. You have already dissented form my premise by telling us whom you will not vote for. That is your prerogative. You need not participate with us who are willing to compromise.
FYI: I do not like Huckabee either but because he is weak on the border not for the reasons you so viciously stated. BTW due to your vitriol for people of faith I believe you are a modern liberal but not liberal in thought or temperament.
Count me in, too. I said earlier I couldn't vote for Barr because of the Libertarian party's platform, however, if we could reach a consensus and send a message, I could vote for him. I'd also vote for Paul or anyone else we could agree on. I am willing to listen to anyone and reach a consensus here.
None of the 3 running will do anything but harm our nation, so we have nothing to lose. And, I don't see it as throwing my vote away. I will still focus on the Congressional election and try to vote for good candidates, if they exist here in TX.
If we could just agree on one issue, illegal immigration, and forget the rest for now, that might help narrow the choices. If we do something positive to deal with illegal immigration, a great number of our other ills will be helped as well.
"Had the people, during the Revolution, had a suspicion of any attempt to war against Christianity, that Revolution would have been strangled in its cradle... In this age, there can be no substitute for Christianity... That was the religion of the founders of the republic and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants." Charles Carrol, signer of Declaration of Independence, framer of the Bill of Rights, delegate to the Constitutional Convention, U.S. Senator
Please let me be clear. I do not believe we can defeat the Three Amigos but if we vote as a block we will be noticed.
Does anyone know about the constitution party candidate? I admit that I am so sickened by the whole thing that I have turned off looking at any of the bozos.
I like the platform of the Constitution party but haven't researched their candidate. Another issue is that we'll have to find someone who will be on the majority of the ballots. Apparently in OK, only 2 candidates will be a choice. We just need to make sure the person we pick is available to be voted for in most states.
"Had the people, during the Revolution, had a suspicion of any attempt to war against Christianity, that Revolution would have been strangled in its cradle... In this age, there can be no substitute for Christianity... That was the religion of the founders of the republic and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants." Charles Carrol, signer of Declaration of Independence, framer of the Bill of Rights, delegate to the Constitutional Convention, U.S. Senator
Count me in, too. I said earlier I couldn't vote for Barr because of the Libertarian party's platform, however, if we could reach a consensus and send a message, I could vote for him. I'd also vote for Paul or anyone else we could agree on. I am willing to listen to anyone and reach a consensus here.
None of the 3 running will do anything but harm our nation, so we have nothing to lose. And, I don't see it as throwing my vote away. I will still focus on the Congressional election and try to vote for good candidates, if they exist here in TX.
If we could just agree on one issue, illegal immigration, and forget the rest for now, that might help narrow the choices. If we do something positive to deal with illegal immigration, a great number of our other ills will be helped as well.
I agree completly! The border is the issue we all can agree on (except for a few you know whos). Who is the strongest on that issue?
I propose that we ignore anyone who posts here and is not willing to be on topic and part of the solution. I often see that they move the discussion off target and it never gets back.
I like the platform of the Constitution party but haven't researched their candidate. Another issue is that we'll have to find someone who will be on the majority of the ballots. Apparently in OK, only 2 candidates will be a choice. We just need to make sure the person we pick is available to be voted for in most states.
We can write in in all 50 states I believe. Lets just aim for a name we can agree on and tell others about.
I cannot and will not vote for any of the three amigos.
We need to smile once in a while, so I am posting this here tonight:
Presidential candidates Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and John McCain were flying to a debate.
Barack looked at Hillary, Chuckled and said, 'You know I could throw a $1,000 bill out of the window right now and make somebody very happy.'
Hillary shrugged her shoulders and replied, 'I could throw ten $100 bills Out of the window and make ten people very happy.'
John added, 'That being the case, I could throw one hundred $10 bills out of The window and make a hundred people very happy.'
Hearing their exchange, the pilot rolled his eyes and said to his copilot, 'Such big-shots back there. I could throw all three of them out of the Window and make 156 million people very happy.'
Folks, I do not know how tio create a new forum thread, so I am adding this here.
Arizonas; Goernor Janet Napolitano, juggled the AZ state budget so that $1.6 million will be used for felony coverage. This fund , to date, has been Sheriff Joe Arpaio's fund to wage his war agaginst illegal immigration. I posted on another site , a plan that may help. It was well recieved, but some questions need to be worked out about legality. I do not see a problem. We send Sheriff Joe a check for $10.00. We note it is for controlling illegal immigration. It will take 160,000 people to make the $1.6 million.
It will send a message to the pro-illegal immigration governor and to the American public. It may wakre up a lot of moderate Democrats. It may scare a lot of our RINOs.
What say you all??? A good idea???
I am not waiting for any legal analysis. I wrote a check to Sheriff Joe Arpaio, actually, I wrote it to "Maricopa County Sheriff's Office".
I will put it in the morning mail addressed to:
Maricopa County Sheriff's Office
100 W. Washington, Ste 1900
Phoenix, AZ 85003
P.S> Here is the note I sent with the check:
(I removed some personal info for general reading.)
Maricopa County Sheriff's Office
Attention Sheriff Arpaio:
Sheriff Joe,
I am proud of the job you are doing to support the American rule of law. You are a great patriot.
This old man wishes you well and hopes you continue to do your duty for a long time.
I am enclosing a check for $10.00. I believe you can open an account in a local bank in the name of "Illegal Immigration Enforcement Fund" or some similar name. I am doing this because your Governor, Janet Napolitano, has played as sneaky and dirty a political card as I can remember in a long time. I have also posted on two conservative anti-illegal immigration sites about this. I do believe there are others who are interested. Whether or not that turns out to be true remains to be seen. In any event, please use my modest donation to continue your excellent efforts.
Extend my compliments to your officers for supporting you (and the USA) in this effort.
Count me in. I've been saying for a long time that we all need to vote for the same one or the vote will be split too much. I've also stated that at this point I would vote for Mickey Mouse or Howdy Doody before voting for McHilBama. If I remember correctly msbobbie said that in Ok. they could not do a write in. It is my understanding, but I could be wrong, that the Constitution Party will be on the ballots in all 50 states. If that is the case then that may be our best bet. It's time for us to get serious and send our message loud and clear. I, too, don't expect to win with a third party but make no mistake, if we all stick together our message will be heard.
I like the platform of the Constitution party but haven't researched their candidate. Another issue is that we'll have to find someone who will be on the majority of the ballots. Apparently in OK, only 2 candidates will be a choice. We just need to make sure the person we pick is available to be voted for in most states.
We can write in in all 50 states I believe. Lets just aim for a name we can agree on and tell others about.
Because of the "new" machines I don't think you can write in someone any more. One must request, in advance, a paper ballot to write someone in. I'm not sure if this is the case in every state but we have plenty of time to find out how to do it in each state.
I think you missed the essence of what I am getting at. You have already dissented form my premise by telling us whom you will not vote for. That is your prerogative. You need not participate with us who are willing to compromise.
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FYI: I do not like Huckabee either but because he is weak on the border not for the reasons you so viciously stated. BTW due to your vitriol for people of faith I believe you are a modern liberal but not liberal in thought or temperament.
No, I did NOT miss the essence of what you are getting at, your faith is YOUR business, my faith is MY business and NO ONE IN THE WHITE HOUSE HAS ANY BUSINESS TELLING US WHO IS TRUELY FAITHFUL in this country!! Remember, you may think that **I** am a sinner, and Godless, but there is a whole group in Texas (and Colorado), who just lost their children due to forcing 13 years olds into marriage with perverted old men, who think YOU are a sinner and Godless--so, with faith, it ALL DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM!!
If you want to attract moderate liberals and republicans, NOT just fireside people, then you need someone who MIGHT appeal to more people other than a few radicals on fireside who think their lives are so perfect they can demand others live like they do! Otherwise, it is a waste of a vote, and you have guarenteed that obama wins, because you have basically taken away votes from only McCain people, that is, unless you have a write in canidate who will appeal also to some angry Hillary supporters!
I am willing to compromise, but I am NOT willing to throw away my vote on some moron who doesn't share any of my beliefs just to make a point, and then in the end, we still end up with an elected prez we all hate and did not want! If we are willing to support someone, then we have to make it public, so that all disgruntled people are aware and have the chance to join us, and maybe we will lose in the end, but if enough of us revolt all over the country, then we HAVE made our point loud and clear! Imagine what would happen if a write in candidate even got 10% of the votes cast across this country????? That is why I feel that we should be careful and THOTFUL of who we want, rather than have a few here force everyone into their idea of a good candidate, remember, the key word was "compromise"??? or is it YOU forcing your candiate on the rest of us with YOUR vitriol???
If you have to hyphenate your race--you are NOT an American!! This from a French-German-English-Irish-AMERICAN! See how silly this can become?