McCain

I know he is going against everything we want in a Pres. We still need him , if only to get good judges in, don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. We know the other 2 are against EVERYTHING we stand for, not just amnesty.

montanalady said: I know he is going against everything we want in a Pres. We still need him , if only to get good judges in, don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. We know the other 2 are against EVERYTHING we stand for, not just amnesty.

 

Sorry Montana lady,But I have to much integrity and honor To vote for the treasonist.I see your point,but I don't think I would vote for him even if I had a gun to my head.I say let nature take its course.I look at obama wining as a good thing for maybe more discusted Americans will join us  patriots and really get things done and moving if you know what I mean.

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montanalady said: We need him, if only to get hood judges in. Have you ever heard him promise that he would see that good judges are nominated? I haven't, and even if he did, he has always gone along with the Democrat side of the aisle. You are forgetting that McCain is a Democrat who claimed to be a Republican when he first ran for the Senate in Arizona. He knew that the seat he wanted could not be won if he ran as a Democrat. McCain is not even a Republican let alone a conservative. We need him like we need any other traitor. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing, always has been.

By all any means we should throw this baby out with the bath water.

northerner said:

montanalady said: We need him, if only to get hood judges in. Have you ever heard him promise that he would see that good judges are nominated? I haven't, and even if he did, he has always gone along with the Democrat side of the aisle. You are forgetting that McCain is a Democrat who claimed to be a Republican when he first ran for the Senate in Arizona. He knew that the seat he wanted could not be won if he ran as a Democrat. McCain is not even a Republican let alone a conservative. We need him like we need any other traitor. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing, always has been.

By all any means we should throw this baby out with the bath water.

 

I am with you.  Why should I believe anything he promises.  I am not illegal, he will not keep promises made to me.

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He is the equal of evils. Amnesty to 36 million invaders and their 36 million aiders, abettors, encouragers and employers--all owing we the law abiding people multiple $5,000 fines.  How many invaders has he encouraged?  The same as Osambamnesty?  The same as Bush?  Even mentioning amnesty is felony encouragement and causes spikes in invaders coming in.  Invaders are enemies of the USA and should be treated as such by sworn Oaths to Uphold the Constitution which calls for protection against invasion.

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mccain has promised 20 million illegals +  will get Amnesty, and then borders will be secured??  How many years have we heard that?? illegals will get Amnesty thanks to mccain, and these people will be heading for the welfare lines.  Thanks to the AMERICAN taxpayer will have to pay. They will see to it these people get everything from the American taxpayer, afterall they are GODS people too??? And they will see to it that the AMERICAN taxpayers will have to take care of these illegals, like we are not all ready doing that now?? It seems that the senators and the government officals see to it that they know whats good for us?

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I met and listened to Darrel Castle (Constitution Party Vice Presidential candidate) speak this weekend at the Constitution Party of Illinois convention, and he is the real deal! He spent his fourth of July at the border learning about what is going on and how to solve it. Baldwin/Castle will break all SPP/NAU agreements, secure the border, and enforce immigration laws! Will McBama?

America will not survive with Obama or McCain, we need Chuck Baldwin and Darrel Castle!!

www.BALDWIN08.com

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Can't and won't vote for a preacher.

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Blaze, If the worst you can do is call Baldwin a preacher you have already lost the argument cause the other 2 are traitors, and will destroy what little we have left of the heritage of our once proud country. I don't see any other choice.

Baldwin's platform is to close the border, deal with illegals and get rid of the UN. If he can do that I will be happy to let him pray whenever he wants, what do you have to offer?

There isn't any argument to win or lose, jmac.  Baldwin can't and won't win, neither will Barr.  And no matter who gets in the White House, he will NOT have the power to single handedly get rid of the UN, illegals, the border, or anything else without the support of congress, and America will survive just fine.  We've survived a lot worse than lousy presidents. That's just the simple reality of it.  I'd never vote for a preacherman either, and I don't care WHAT platform he runs on. 

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FEAR.

That seems to be the only thing going for McCain, people's FEAR of losing to Obama. Well, I hope your chains set lightly upon you brothers.

One thing we can learn from history, Gideon, David, and George Washington specifically, is that God will carry the battle if it is just and moral, but we have to be willing to step out onto the battlefield with courage and faith not knowing that the outcome is assured.

We should not let our fear of losing the battle cause us to not engage in the war. Take the easy way out if you must, but in the end it only slows the Globalist march, it doesn't turn it, and 4 years from now you'll be making the same argument. Peace.

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And as far as Chuck Baldwin being a preacher. . .

 It is a good thing the religious leaders of the American colonies did not remove themselves from politics or dare I say we might still be a British colony!

Of the 56 men that signed the Declaration, 24 had seminary degrees. They led from fear of answering to God for their actions!

How about a short list of the church leaders that were the cause of America’s “Liberty and Independence”

Rev. Thomas Allen: at the forefront of the movement for written Constitutions to safeguard Liberty!

Rev. Andrew Eliot: May 29, 1765 Election Sermon upholding the right of resistance against usurpers and tyranny!

Rev. Jonathan Mayhew: His sermons and writings were a powerful influence in the development of the movement for “Liberty and Independence,” including his 1750 and 1754 Election Sermons proclaiming American rights – the cause of Liberty and the right and duty to resist tyranny!

Rev. Samuel West: Committee member that framed the Mass. Constitution, member of the Mass. Convention which ratified the U.S. Constitution!

Rev. Elisha Williams: A Colonel of the Militia, wrote “A Seasonable Plea for the Liberty of Conscience and the Right of Private Judgment in Matters of Religion Without any Controul from Human Authority.”

Rev. John Wise: Led fellow townsmen in 1687 in revolt against tax levied by the royal Governor Andros; exemplified the early leadership of the American people by the New England clergy in support of the cause of Liberty; his writings stressed the main principles to be proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence.

Rev. John Witherspoon: outspoken advocate of “Liberty and Independence;” signer of the Declaration of Independence.

Oh, and lets not forget Reverend Jonas Clark of Lexington, "who was dining with John Hancock and Samuel Adams, when Paul Revere warned the British were about to attack. Asked whether the men of Lexington would fight, Clark didn't waffle or hesitate with cowardly excuses about mixing politics with religion. Instead he replied he had personally trained them for that very hour and if need be, he said they would die ‘under the shadow of the house of God.’ The very next day it was Clark's parishioners who gave the first blood of the revolution.”
- Creech, Rev. Mark H. “Wanted: More Ministers Like Vincent Fields”. The Right Frame of Mind. Agapepress.org. Posted: December 21, 2006

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Well, that's lovely, mdc....but that was the 18th century, this is the 21st century.  None of those people ran for the presidency.  The presidency never was, and still isn't, intended to be a pulpit.

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