H.R. 2421 - This Bill, If Enacted, Will Instantly Convert The United States Into A Socialist Nation.

I'll take socialism over the current theocratic plutocracy that is America. The same system that oppresses the poor and powerless.

Besides, water - like air -  belongs to everyone. Not a moneyed few. So-called private property rights are trumped by the needs of the people.

Yea Arby....Hugo Chavez has an opening for you...... 

Arby, the people of Cuba would love to sit down with you and tell you all about Socialism. Oh, and let's not forget the Soviets.  Socialism sounds good on paper. It has never worked in any nation that ever tried it.  Consider this: The greatest Republic on earth, the U.S. is in a downward spiral precisely because in the last 50 years it has slowly enacted "socialist" legislation; most specifically with the great "War on Poverty" in the sixties.  What has it wrought? More poverty, more hands out.  We were, in the 50's, after a crushing World War II, the greatest industrialized nation there ever was. We came back, we built, we manufactured.  And then - those children of the 60's felt we should start handing out rather than earning our way.  They are now in positions of power and you and I are witnessing this great experiment. 

Good luck with Socialism. See you in the Gulag.

Wow...I am really suprised at you Arby. I know that you are all for the DNC, but why would you say something like that? Socialism will tear what's left of this country apart. I have nothing else to add except I know quite a few democrats that are changing their vote because they don't trust Hilary and they have seen the way they lie, cheat and steal our money and rights. Go ahead Arby, vote for one of those. McCain is going to end up with the Presidency anyway. At least we know that John McCain is truthful in what he thinks. He doesn't hold back and I am not saying vote for him, but he is a real American who does not want to see our Country thrown to the wolves as Osama Bin Obama and Hitlery would do. Here's a little thought and a short read for you.

Do you really know John McCain?
By (CM) Deerhunter  | Today

Categories: Republicans
 
   
 
It seems in this way messed up world of politics, scams, liberals and people in Congress that just really do not care about us except for the money, saving the Earth, Global Warming Hoaxes, etc. I would like all of you to see what this man was and what this man is now. He hasn't changed. Even though his attempt at granting Amnesty, we at least know one thing is for sure. Where he stands on all issue's. For those of you that don't like John McCain, that's fine but the question would be, Do you really know John McCain in order to clarify why you don't like him. I for one do like him. He is a Christian Man with Christian Values and a zest for life along with what he may think is best for America. I don't know John McCain personally so I can't judge him, however, I was all over him when we got HB 1369 defeated and we all here did a great job in doing so. Just remember, he will be the President when it all comes to an end. We don't want Hillary or Osama Bin Obama in there...Alan Keyes won't make it, Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance, so I will leave you with this article I received for you to read and it might, or might not change your opinion of him.

NEW INFO WORTH KNOWING



Whether you are a Democrat or Republican this is worth reading.

By KARL ROVE
April 30, 2008; Page A17
It came to me while I was having dinner with Doris Day. No, not that Doris Day. The Doris Day who is married to Col. Bud Day, Congressional Medal of Honor recipient, fighter pilot, Vietnam POW and roommate of John McCain at the Hanoi Hilton.
As we ate near the Days' home in Florida recently, I heard things about Sen. McCain that were deeply moving and politically troubling. Moving because they told me things about him the American people need to know. And troubling because it is clear that Mr. McCain is one of the most private individuals to run for president in history.
 
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Col. (Ret.) Bud Day with John McCain at a campaign stop in Pensacola, Fla., in January. 
When it comes to choosing a president, the American people want to know more about a candidate than policy positions. They want to know about character, the values ingrained in his heart. For Mr. McCain, that means they will want to know more about him personally than he has been willing to reveal.
Mr. Day relayed to me one of the stories Americans should hear. It involves what happened to him after escaping from a North Vietnamese prison during the war. When he was recaptured, a Vietnamese captor broke his arm and said, "I told you I would make you a cripple."
The break was designed to shatter Mr. Day's will. He had survived in prison on the hope that one day he would return to the United States and be able to fly again. To kill that hope, the Vietnamese left part of a bone sticking out of his arm, and put him in a misshapen cast. This was done so that the arm would heal at "a goofy angle," as Mr. Day explained. Had it done so, he never would have flown again.
But it didn't heal that way because of John McCain. Risking severe punishment, Messrs. McCain and Day collected pieces of bamboo in the prison courtyard to use as a splint. Mr. McCain put Mr. Day on the floor of their cell and, using his foot, jerked the broken bone into place. Then, using strips from the bandage on his own wounded leg and the bamboo, he put Mr. Day's splint in place.
Years later, Air Force surgeons examined Mr. Day and complemented the treatment he'd gotten from his captors. Mr. Day corrected them. It was Dr. McCain who deserved the credit. Mr. Day went on to fly again.
Another story I heard over dinner with the Days involved Mr. McCain serving as one of the three chaplains for his fellow prisoners. At one point, after being shuttled among different prisons, Mr. Day had found himself as the most senior officer at the Hanoi Hilton. So he tapped Mr. McCain to help administer religious services to the other prisoners.
Today, Mr. Day, a very active 83, still vividly recalls Mr. McCain's sermons. "He remembered the Episcopal liturgy," Mr. Day says, "and sounded like a bona fide preacher." One of Mr. McCain's first sermons took as its text Luke 20:25 and Matthew 22:21, "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's." Mr. McCain said he and his fellow prisoners shouldn't ask God to free them, but to help them become the best people they could be while serving as POWs. It was Caesar who put them in prison and Caesar who would get them out. Their task was to act with honor..
Another McCain story, somewhat better known, is about the Vietnamese practice of torturing him by tying his head between his ankles with his arms behind him, and then leaving him for hours. The torture so badly busted up his shoulders that to this day Mr. McCain can't raise his arms over his head.
One night, a Vietnamese guard loosened his bonds, returning at the end of his watch to tighten them again so no one would notice. Shortly after, on Christmas Day, the same guard stood beside Mr. McCain in the prison yard and drew a cross in the sand before erasing it. Mr. McCain later said that when he returned to Vietnam for the first time after the war, the only person he really wanted to meet was that guard.
Mr. Day recalls with pride Mr. McCain stubbornly refusing to accept special treatment or curry favor to be released early, even when gravely ill. Mr. McCain knew the Vietnamese wanted the propaganda victory of the son and grandson of Navy admirals accepting special treatment. "He wasn't corruptible then," Mr. Day says, "and he's not corruptible today."
The stories told to me by the Days involve more than wartime valor.
For example, in 1991 Cindy McCain was visiting Mother Teresa's orphanage in Bangladesh when a dying infant was thrust into her hands. The orphanage could not provide the medical care needed to save her life, so Mrs. McCain brought the child home to America with her. She was met at the airport by her husband, who asked what all this was about.
Mrs. McCain replied that the child desperately needed surgery and years of rehabilitation. "I hope she can stay with us," she told her husband. Mr. McCain agreed. Today that child is their teenage daughter Bridget.
I was aware of this story. What I did not know, and what I learned from Doris, is that there was a second infant Mrs. McCain brought back. She ended up being adopted by a young McCain aide and his wife.
"We were called at midnight by Cindy," Wes Gullett remembers, and "five days later we met our new daughter Nicki at the L.A. airport wearing the only clothing Cindy could find on the trip back, a 7-Up T-shirt she bought in the Bangkok airport." Today, Nicki is a high school sophomore. Mr. Gullett told me, "I never saw a hospital bill" for her care.
A few, but not many, of the stories told to me by the Days have been written about, such as in Robert Timberg's 1996 book "A Nightingale's Song." But Mr.. McCain rarely refers to them on the campaign trail. There is something admirable in his reticence, but he needs to overcome it.
Private people like Mr. McCain are rare in politics for a reason. Candidates who are uncomfortable sharing their interior lives limit their appeal. But if Mr. McCain is to win the election this fall, he has to open up.
Americans need to know about his vision for the nation's future, especially his policy positions and domestic reforms. They also need to learn about the moments in his life that shaped him. Mr. McCain cannot make this a biography-only campaign – but he can't afford to make it a biography-free campaign either. Unless he opens up more, many voters will never know the experiences of his life that show his character, integrity and essential decency.
These qualities mattered in America's first president and will matter as Americans decide on their 44th president.
Mr. Rove is the former senior adviser and deputy chief of staff to President George W. Bush

"Besides, water - like air -  belongs to everyone. Not a moneyed few. So-called private property rights are trumped by the needs of the people."

Some of us heat the air and blow hot air in every post!!!!

I don't know much about this bill, but what I just read I don't like.  I will be calling my congressman today.  Here is something I just read about it.

The Water Restoration Act of 2007, along with others, gives the federal government complete control over every waterway, river, stream, lake, aquifer, creek, slew, swamp, underground spring and even the rain that runs off your roof. Why? Well to better protect you from polluters and to ensure water safety, and of course "national security".

Here's the real deal. Oil which has been deemed the worlds most valuable commodity (remember that word) is quickly being replaced by water. Water is the new "gold". Under the Public Trust doctrine, the government is prohibited from converting something such as water (a human right…we can't live without it) to a commodity. It must remain in a public trust, meaning that it is so important to our survival that it should never be subjected to markets, trading or private interests. In other words, it should never be reclassified as a commodity. But this Act lays the groundwork for removing from the Public Trust this basic human right which is a necessity, and will facilitate it being reclassified a "needed commodity". Enter the multi-national corporations

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Mammaw said: Arby since you obviously hate America so much why don't you move to another country and do us all a favor?

Contrary to what you may think, as a disabled (asbestosis) Vietnam War Era Navy veteran, I love my country. I love my country in same way my combat-crippled father did. The same way my Russian immigrant, combat-wounded grandfather did - joining the US Army at 17 to fight in France.

My concern is about allowing a moneyed-few to destroy the planet for personal gain.

So my friend, I have no intention of leaving my country.

Peace.

I edited this because once again, it's a flame. Against rule #2

You taking socialism over democracy is NOT loving your country, you have to fight for democracy. McCain is fighting to keep our democracy from folding into socialism when either Obama or Clinton is elected. Either of those two will take us into that socialist plane like Bill almost did.

I definetly do NOT want a socialist nation. If this bill passes and eventually we'll have to start forming anti-socialist resistance groups to fight the future Obama or Clinton  socialist administrations. Europe will adore this.

This thread is getting out of hand. I am locking it for reason's that we are starting to argue. We can debate and talk all we want but I, and others are getting a little short here. Sooooo, I am locking this thread. We do not need to be flamming each other. That's not what FS is about. We can disagree, but please let's all be a little more patient the next time something like this come's up.

On second thought....no, I will not lock it. Let's all simmer down a bit. Lady Jane does alot on here and I am not going to ruin her thread. So, warning to all who reply. Talk, but don't accuse, assume, or flame another poster please.

Thanks