Baldwin and Castle for President and Vice President....This is where we will discuss this Candidate

I heard today that Chuck Baldwin defeated Alan Keyes to win the nomination for the Constitution Party.  I hope that is true.  Pastor Chuck Baldwin is a true conservative on all fronts.  If I am not mistaken the constitution party has ballot access in all 50 states. 

Oh goody.  There's another sure fired loser.

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S***w you. It is either him or the person he had said he wanted us to vote for, Ron Paul.  Now only Baldwin, the only true conservative running for President that even has half a chance.    >>McAmnesty and his treasonous ilk are not real Republicans but RINOs >equal in evil to Hillary and Obama<. Grassfire says NO AMNESTY period, and I've got the hat to prove it!

If the the real conservativce constitutionalists don't win, which will probably happen, then it is up to the 200 million patriotic gun toting Americans to fight the war made against us in our country by Mexico and their allies and felonious aiders, abettors, and encouragers. Remember they have been killing tens of thousands of Americans for years, along with robbing us, and other crimes. Other enemies in our midst must also go, the enabling silent moslems, and the communists.

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mgopilot,  There are those who will not vote for any third party candidate regardless of who it is.  They would rather vote for the lesser of evils.  AGAIN.  So it doesn't matter who the Libertarian Party, Constitutionalist Party or New American Independent Party nominees are.  Nothing is ever going to change in this country because there are not enough of us who are willing to vote our convictions.  I'm to the point that I don't care if I waste my vote.  I see that as being a damn sight better than giving it to McHilBama or anyone else of the same ilk.  As I see it we need to put our money where our mouths are.  If we aren't willing to vote for a third party candidate then we need to shut up, quit our bitching and go our merry way while those in power continue to give our country away.  Sorry but that is just my opinion.

I searched Saturday night and today to learn who the Constitution Party nominated.

I know nothing about Chuck Baldwin, but I am going to learn about him.  I will not vote for McCain the insane.

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This is a very important story!

 

 

How about another one? 

 

Yeah, that's right.  Screw me.  Shame on me.  Well, back to ya pal.  If I wanted a preacherman for president, I'd have voted for Huckster.  Look, I'm not any happier with the choice we have either.  I haven't been for many years.  But I'd prefer to vote for someone who can actually win and then bust my tail trying to get him or her to listen and do something, rather than throw my vote away on someone who doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning and then pat myself on the back and say, "Oh what a good girl am I...at least I made a "statement."  Whoopdefriggindo.  That "statement" and a buck and a half will get me a small coffee at Dunkin Donuts.  Yeah, that'll warm my heart and get something done.  You are seriously delusional if you think Baldwin, or Paul, or any other "also ran" is ever going to get elected.  There will never be anywhere near this 200 million "patriots" you rant about.  And in your heart, you KNOW it!!

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mgopilot said:

S***w you.    It is either him or the person he had said he wanted us to vote for, Ron Paul.   The only true conservatives running for President that even have half a chance. >>McAmnesty and his treasonous ilk are not real Republicans but RINOs >equal in evil to Hillary and Obama<.

If the the real conservativce constitutionalists don't win, which will probably happen, then it is up to the 200 million patriotic gun toting Americans to fight the war made against us in our country by Mexico and their allies and felonious aiders, abettors, and encouragers.  Remember they have been killing tens of thousands of Americans for years, along with robbing us, and other crimes.  Other enemies in our midst must also go, enabling silent moslems, and the communists. 

 

Or, we could act like "grownups" and take back our government from within...just like it was taken away from us...from within. But, hey, its just a thought....

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So you think that by voting for McTraitor that you are somehow helping take back our 2/3 corrupt government from within?   You better grow up and look at the way it is.  It hasn't been "taken from within" since 80% of Americans voiced their displeasure with illegal immigration and unsecure borders in 1992.  The government has steadily become more corrupt and treasonous.  First it was the dems and country club RINOs, in 1965 and again in 1986.  Now the percentage is even greater, and they have proven time and again that the majority in Congress and the Executive, and Judiciary, are not doing the Will of the People, they are not following the Constitution or their Solemn Oaths of Office.  When elections are rigged and the media manipulated, and this is the worst ever in history, it is up to we the people to arrest the felons, arrest the traitors, and use whatever force is necessary to keep our sovereignty and bring back lawful Constitutional government.  The fines and seizures of propertyu allowed by law of the illegal alien encouragers and the illegals themselves is enough to pay for deportations and pay off the National Debt.

Voting for a treasonous felon, which is any of the "top" candidates including McAmnesty, just because they will win, is being childish, if not treasonous itself.  Supporting a felon is abetting by law, and another felony.   Felons, invaders,  and traitors are the domestic enemies of the USA.

I'll vote for Ron Paul and lock and load for domestic enemies, as per my Solemn Oath. 

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mgopilot said:

So you think that by voting for McTraitor that you are somehow helping take back our 2/3 corrupt government from within?   You better grow up and look at the way it is.  It hasn't been "taken from within" since 80% of Americans voiced their displeasure with illegal immigration and unsecure borders in 1992.  The government has steadily become more corrupt and treasonous.  First it was the dems and country club RINOs, in 1965 and again in 1986.  Now the percentage is even greater, and they have proven time and again that the majority in Congress and the Executive, and Judiciary, are not doing the Will of the People, they are not following the Constitution or their Solemn Oaths of Office.  When elections are rigged and the media manipulated, and this is the worst ever in history, it is up to we the people to arrest the felons, arrest the traitors, and use whatever force is necessary to keep our sovereignty and bring back lawful Constitutional government.  The fines and seizures of propertyu allowed by law of the illegal alien encouragers and the illegals themselves is enough to pay for deportations and pay off the National Debt.

Voting for a treasonous felon, which is any of the "top" candidates including McAmnesty, just because they will win, is being childish, if not treasonous itself.  Supporting a felon is abetting by law, and another felony.   Felons, invaders,  and traitors are the domestic enemies of the USA.

I'll vote for Ron Paul and lock and load for domestic enemies, as per my Solemn Oath. 

 

Hey, its a free country and God gave you free will. GO FOR IT!!!

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And do YOU think by a few thousand, even a hundred thousand, even a million people voting for Paul or Baldwin or whoever is going to solve anything?  Do you think anyone is even going to sit up and take notice?  YOU best grow up and look at reality,  It's not "grown up" to throw a little temper tantrum and cry, "I don't like those people so I'll vote for Evil #4 instead".  It ain't gonna happen, pal.  All the pathetic whining and screaming and "taking a stand" and "protesting" or whatever isn't going to mean jack!  This isn't 1775, Ron Paul is not Thomas Jefferson, and no one here is Paul Revere, there aren't just 2 or 3 million people in this country anymore, and no one's going to fire a shot heard 'round the world.  I know some consider themselves modern day Minutemen.  Well, you're not.  There's not enough of you...not now, not ever.  That's not defeatist, that's just reality.  You don't have to like it, and neither do I.  Now, just what are you going to prove voting for Baldwin or Paul?  Do you think they'll win?  What will be accomplished by your "statement?"  Nothing, that's what.  Absolutely nothing.  So go ahead, pat yourself on the back, say you're a good boy and you're big and brave and took a stand.  Then take the same $1.50 and buy yourself a small coffee.  Nothing else will have changed.

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There seems to be some anger here, but it's understandable to some degree. However, this forum is open for discussion without belittling, right? Perhaps the ire should be aimed at the CORRUPTION, SELLING-OUT AND RAPING OF OUR COUNTRY in a myriad of ways BY THE ANTI-AMERICAN POLITICIANS.

The last presidential election was a difficult one for me, personally, because I had such a distaste and dislike for President Bush by that time, and even a deeper distrust of Congressional members who were NOT held responsible for their actions and NOT working FOR AMERICA.

I held my nose and voted for Bush (which I hadn't done in the preceeding election), rather than be guilty of voting in an even worse man for the highest political position in America. I have regretted it ever since on many fronts, yet glad on a few others.

The fact that Bush was not my true choice, but "the lesser of two evils" won't occur this time around, nor any other time in the future. The concept that "your vote is wasted if you vote for a 3rd party, etc..." I won't waste my vote on someone less than right, honorable, and 100% of, by and FOR AMERICA again. THAT, to me, is a wasted vote - and a sell-out BY me.

It would seem to me to be ... well, let's see, do I cast my vote for the lesser of two, (both of whom I believe to be evil and against America, Americans and our sovereignty), or do I vote my TRUE CONVICTIONS? I'm unwilling to vote for anyone just because he/she CAN WIN. There has to be a more valid reason to give my vote, my trust, my conviction to anyone than simply because the person "can win".

Do I think I can really change someone else's stance once he/she is in offic? NOT IN A PIG'S EAR! Why in the world WOULD someone do an about face once they have secured the office? What would be the determining factor to cause that to happen? If someone thinks, behaves and feels a certain way, how would anyone else change their action or belief once they acheive the office for which they ran and got? I see no justification in that thought process. Perhaps I'm missing something, but I cannot fathom why said official would turn around once ensconced in office for a determined time frame. They have already given the power to do harm - and that was already KNOWN by those who voted for his win. 

One more issue is that the media has its own agenda - and it is ALWAYS for the liberal bent. Isn't it obvious why the "3rd party" candidates are shut out, shut off and relegated as non-candidates? I also believe that there ARE millions upon millions of Americans who will vote for these so-called 3rd party candidates because there isn't a nose plug strong enough to shut off the olfactory senses to pull the lever for M-O-C  (McCain-Obama-Clinton)

In my opinion, all three MOCK America and We The People and do not deserve one vote from any one of us.  Rhonda

 

 

Rhonda, there hasn't been a candidate worthy of my vote since 1968!!  I've held my nose for every one of them!!  Before that, I was too young.  Nothing new under the sun.  But the point remains....what is accomplished voting for someone you know isn't going to win a single state?  Nothing.  Isn't it better to at least TRY to influence one who DOES win?  Granted, chances are slim, but chances are NONE voting for a known loser.

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Hi Patsy,

I suppose if one believes that no one but the one "chosen" by the PARTY (DemoRAT as well as RePUGnant) is a viable, worthy candidate.

I just don't follow that concept. And more importantly, that is exactly what the "party" (both D & R) NEEDS us to believe.  Both "parties" are on the wrong track and taking America down to perverbial tube, but if we stop allowing them to dictate TO US rather than us taking the stand to STOP THEM, we will contiune getting the vile, corrupt, gutless, cowards in office that we have now.

Why let them tell us "3rd party"candidates have no chance to win an election? Who are they to tell us anything? Are they not in office because we chose them? How else did they get to their positions were it not for being "chosen" at election?

We made our mistakes, but must we continue making the same errors time after time, or do we take a chance with TRUE CONVICTIONS, TRUE CONSERVATIVES, TRUE AMERICANS FOR AMERICA?

 We may "lose" some offices in the political realm, but do we lose our soul - do we continue fighting FOR our country by voting for those for whom we trust, respect and believe in to do what's RIGHT AND JUST FOR AMERICA AND AMERICA? That is my point. There really is no better of two evils anymore - we've gone down that road and it's a DEAD END. Rhonda

Patsy, I have to ask, what is accomplished by voting for someone whom we know is for amnesty?  He gave his name to the amnesty bill. And we don't know that Barr or Baldwin are losers.  They aren't losers until the election is over.  I prefer to give one of them a chance.  I will not call them a loser until they, like McCain, have endorsed amnesty.  We know where he stands and what he will do.  I'd rather vote for the unknown than the sure thing.  If McCain gets the win he will see it as the people agreeing with him on illegal immigration.  And indeed why would he see it any other way. 

 

 

 

 

I'll agree it is frustrating as hell, Rhonda.  But really......THINK!!  We don't need any party to tell us what is already glaring at us in the face.  Common sense tells you a third party candidate is not viable.  Hopefully, some day it will be.  But you know as well as I know it isn't at this point in time, and probably won't be in our lifetime either.  I understand the "if not us, who; if not now, when"....but, frankly I'm tired of banging my head against a wall.  Unless and until such time as I see tens of millions of people not only as frustrated as we are, but willing to do something about it, a few little scratches in the dark isn't going to even be heard, much less heeded.  That's all I'm trying to say.

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