It's time to weed out congressional candidates who are against immigration reform!!!

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FRIENDS, YOU CAN HELP CREATE A BETTER CONGRESS FOR NEXT YEAR . . . We need each of you to pressure both incumbents and challengers in your congressional district and your state to take our immigration survey. www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2008/candidatesurvey2008.html About the only way we get a better Congress is if the people running for election feel it is in their best interest to promise the immigration actions that all of us want. NumbersUSA has just put on-line 479 new web pages of congressional and gubernatorial Primary Election races. Each of these pages is a grid to display the results of immigration surveys we have sent to candidates for: 435 seats in the U.S. House of Representatives 33 U.S. Senate seats 11 state Governors You can see all races (there aren't many yet) in which at least one candidate has taken our survey and indicated that they want to be seen as a True Immigration Reform Candidate. Click here for this short opening list of races with a True Immigration Reform Candidate. www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2008/featuredraces.html To send a survey with a request to a candidate to fill it out: (1) go to this page www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2008/2008candidates.html (2) click on your state's two-letter identifier, (3) and then click on the race in which you are interested. You'll see an icon at the top of the page for emailing a survey to a candidate. You can find an email address for the candidates by clicking on their names on the RACE pages and finding how to contact them on their own campaign websites. Don't hesitate to pick up a phone and call them, too. If you favor any of the candidates to represent you in the U.S. Senate or House, you will want to help them present themselves as True Immigration Reformers. During the last two election cycles, these ABI candidate pages (a project of NumbersUSA) were the most-viewed and used parts of the internet for people wanting to know candidates' immigration positions. We will be constantly updating these 479 pages as new information pours in. For candidates to be your state's governor, here is the survey for governors: www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2008/candidatesurveygov2008.html We are completely non-partisan. We have no desire to promote one Party over the other. Every candidate has an equal opportunity to be displayed as a True Immigration Reformer. We do NOT endorse candidates. We know people support and vote for candidates on the basis of a lot of different issues, the character and experience of the candidates and other factors. But we want all voters to know as much as possible about a candidate's immigration positions so as to weight that with the final vote. Thanks so much for all the pressure you can put on candidates to fill out the survey well.

Nobody wants to reward people for simply evading the law for years.  And certainly we cannot keep paying to care for people who do not pay taxes and then send the bulk of their money abroad, but let's cut McCain some slack. He needs to get that Latin vote or else we're toast.  Consider the alternatives, Obama or Clinton...Yikes!  Let's let sleeping dogs lie with the immigrants and just hit the people that hire them hard.  If we remove business' incentives to hire them, they will not hire them, removing the incentive to stay here and if we force immigants to pay taxes through their employers, they are no longer cheap labor.  So crack down on the borders but crack harder on the businesses that employ them. 

julie, thats not going to happen, business rules the world.

Yeah, but when you jeapordize profits, they tend to change their business models really quickly.

Welcome Julie. I agree, illegals do not pay into the kitty and are a huge tax burden. I disagree with you on the notion that McCain needs some slack. We made it abundently clear that we do not want a path to citizenship for these people, and he is stabbing us in the back while at the same time telling us the "he has heard the people". Just which people is he talking about? And do you really think that, once armed with a green card, the same people will oblige and continue to do "the jobs Americans won't do? They are not stupid, and they will want better paying jobs to send more money "home" wherever that may be. We will then lose even more jobs to the Chinese or NAFTA. McCain needs to quit pandering to eventual Citizens and start working for the real Citizens of this Country. Since he is not willing, he needs to be off the list of possible Candidates and on the list of Traitors.

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You misunderstand my position.  I don't want to grant them amnesty.  I am more concerned with hitting the businesses that hire them with steep penalties so that hiring them without paying into taxes and FICA is no longer a financial incentive, therefore, leveling the playing field for US citizen workers.  Once the illegals are no longer an attractive hire and become more of a liability for companies, they will leave on their own.  I would gladly pay 10 cents more for a piece of fruit if it mean another job for someone, and taxes paid on that job.

The disagreement is only with the statement "McCain needs some slack".  I agree with you on reducing the incentives to non-existent.

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julie, when in the past decades have their profits been jeapardized. I don't mean to be contentious but it won't be our congress, or especially our State Department. Homeland Security doesn't care who enters the country as long as they can track their every move, the same as they want to do to all of us.

Algebra, you're absolutely correct.  I own a house in Mexico and believe me, if I stay one day past my due date, I can't even leave the country without having to go to immigration and have a cavity search.  Its really hypocritical.  Not only that, but I'll get fined heavily for an expired inspection sticker on my car, whereas my maid over there hasn't renewed hers since 2004.  Its bullcrap.  However, I think you have to fight fire with fire.  I would rather have a president that's soft on immigration in order to capture the moderate democratic vote, rather than lose the election to someone who is soft on Muslim extremists or a power hungry, angry women with no morals.

The phraseology of "immigration reform" is too general in this post.  The three Presidential candidates are all for the WRONG kind of reform.  We need enforcement of existing laws and we need to stop giving slack to Senators who have been in a position to impact the situation and have failed woefully or in McCain's case for over 20 years worked tirelessly for the wrong side on the issue.

 

I know John McCain, I have followed his voting record for the 21 years I have lived in Arizona.  I beg to differ, but he is no improvement over the other two offensive main party losers in the race.   Those who don't know it now , will certainly know soon enough.   We are toast if any of these clowns are elected and allow the invasion to continue.  As stated our ONLY hope is to elect a congress of the people that will send corrective legislation at the sitting President with overwhelming lopsided support that the people will have to be heard.   The Presidency is a lost cause this season.  The impact we have will be in the house and senate.  

 

It is laughable to consider that McCain is "only lying to the mexicans to get their vote".   His loyalties run deep and they are not with the sovereign U.S. citizens.  

TG  

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julie, I advise voting third party.

So you're saying that the real threat is Pelocy and Reed?  I know they are both psychos, but they are not running.  How do we unseat them?

Tommygarage, You have much creditability with me, I know you have dilligently watched McCain's voting record, being from Arizona. I am from Ohio and I know the difficulty in keeping track of these guys, they leave a trail of doubletalk, and deception in their wake.

julie costa said: So you're saying that the real threat is Pelocy and Reed?  I know they are both psychos, but they are not running.  How do we unseat them?

 

Julie,

  First, welcome to the Firesociety family.   Let me elaborate.  Many of us here still recognize the constitutional structure that our elected officials are bound by.  They usurp their power all the time and the best way we can impact the situation is to flood the halls of congress with America First congress men and women.  Pelosi and Reed would not be chosen as speakers by such a body.  They are merely indicitive of the cancer that is in the House and Senate  right now.   Replace the culture of what is there now and there will be a new voice coming from the congress and the type of legislation that goes to the President's desk  (Whomever that is) will have to sign it or face the wrath of the people.  Congress can override any Presidential veto with a required majority anyway.

The big mistake the mass of the voters make is placing too much relevance on the President and the front people when they should consider most carefully who they elect for Congress and Senate in their own home states.   That is where the real power lies and the most research is necessary. 

Again, welcome and hope you continue to add some flavor to the debates here.  We all love America and have many different ideas to share.

TG 

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Julie,  You may not want to grant them amnesty but McCain sure does.  How can you want to cut him slack?  Look at his past record.  He is not one bit better than the other two.  If he is elected he will be constantly reminding us that they are "God's children."  Would he have ALL of God's children come to the US and the taxpayers support them?  Yes.  He doesn't care about this nation or its citizens.  All he cares about is getting elected.  Check out the Constitution Party.  Alot of us here will be voting third party.  I want to be able to look at myself in the mirror when this election is over and I couldn't do that if I voted for McHilBama.

The only thing McCain heard is secure the border there is no mention of the 20 million here ILLEGALLY. He may make an attempt at securing the border but he will still grant amnesty to those already here.

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julie costa said: Algebra, you're absolutely correct.  I own a house in Mexico and believe me, if I stay one day past my due date, I can't even leave the country without having to go to immigration and have a cavity search.  Its really hypocritical.  Not only that, but I'll get fined heavily for an expired inspection sticker on my car, whereas my maid over there hasn't renewed hers since 2004.  Its bullcrap.  However, I think you have to fight fire with fire.  I would rather have a president that's soft on immigration in order to capture the moderate democratic vote, rather than lose the election to someone who is soft on Muslim extremists or a power hungry, angry women with no morals.

 

Amen to that we own a house in Mexico as well and you don't want to make a mistake with your paper work. You want to talk about racial profiling, a white man in a diesel truck from Texas is a target for all lawmen keep plenty of payoff money in your pocket it can cost anywhere from 10 to 1000 to get out of what they consider an infraction.

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McCain has already started--he is to announce a new Comprehensive plan-see threads and discussion..

Blaze, We are hearing about Reverand Wright, at present. The media really doesn't have time to ask those trifel questions, such as what about those 20 million already here.

Mammaw, every election, it seems, is trying to pick the lesser of the evils.  I realize that we can only afford to feed so many of GODs children and that our country is the most generous, globaly and here at home, but that we are not a bottomless pit. 

I also agree with Tommygarage.  That we have to try to usurp the powers that be.  But I am fustrated because it seems that our society is becoming more and more dependent.  Unlike our founding fathers, people don't want to fight for our freedoms.  They prefer to hand them over to someone (government) who will take care of them.  People want someone else to be responsible for them and I am afraid that we are becoming a nation of woosies.  I mean, being politically correct...since when is it illegal to hurt someone's feelings?!?!

Perhaps I get off track, but I think its all related