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March 4, 2008 12:51 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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“Charisma isn’t Enough” in the Middle East

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4217725866.jpg3608124713.jpgBarack Obama could become shortly, assuming that he wins primaries in Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania, the presumptive Democratic Presidential candidate in the November election. Or there could be a stalemate and fractious delegate fight with Hillary Clinton right up to the National Convention in Denver, this Labor day.

Nonetheless, Obama is coming under scrutiny for his lack of foreign policy experience and his less than fulsome pronouncements about US policy in the Middle East. In this article by Profsssor Barry Rubin of the GLORIA center in Israel, we have a flinty-eyed assessment of what problems an Obama Presidency might face and the jarring realities that differ from his appeasing statements.

Note Rubin observations:

    The first issue must be who you trust to deal with the Middle East . The question is definitely not Israel , or even Arab-Israeli issues, in isolation. The next American president will face a lot of other problems, too, including at a minimum: Afghanistan , attempts to takeover states, Egypt ’s post-Mubarak president, Hamas, Hizballah and Lebanon , Iranian expansionism, Iranian nuclear, Iraq , oil supply and prices, radical Islamist movements, stability of relatively moderate Arab regimes, Syria , and terrorism.

    The overriding question is a struggle between a well-organized radical alliance (HISH: Hamas, Hizballah , Iran , in Iraq both insurgents and radical Shia, and Syria ) and a relatively moderate though completely uncoordinated set of states. In addition, there are radical Islamist forces that don’t work with the HISH bloc but seek revolution in their own countries. Failure to recognize that reality is extraordinarily dangerous.

    Facing this very tough situation, it’s hard to believe that Barrack Obama has the experience, understanding, or worldview to manage the virtually continuous crisis the region faces. The critical point here is not whether he says the “right” things but whether he understands things the right way.

    The critical test for the next president is to wage a strategic struggle with radical forces that are becoming both stronger and more confident.

by Barry Rubin, GLORIA, March 3, 2008

The U.S. presidential election is not–at least not supposed to be–like electing a high school class president. Vague promises, glib speeches, and personal popularity shouldn’t be enough to gain victory. This should be especially true this year since so many Americans don’t seem to think they did such a great job of choosing the last time they voted.

All these points go double and more for the Middle East , an area too dangerous and important to deal with lightly. Yet since these debates are so highly partisan there has been a huge amount of distortion and self-interested blather on all sides.

So let’s sort it out. The first issue must be who you trust to deal with the Middle East . The question is definitely not Israel , or even Arab-Israeli issues, in isolation. The next American president will face a lot of other problems, too, including at a minimum: Afghanistan , attempts to takeover states, Egypt ’s post-Mubarak president, Hamas, Hizballah and Lebanon , Iranian expansionism, Iranian nuclear, Iraq , oil supply and prices, radical Islamist movements, stability of relatively moderate Arab regimes, Syria , and terrorism.

The overriding question is a struggle between a well-organized radical alliance (HISH: Hamas, Hizballah , Iran , in Iraq both insurgents and radical Shia, and Syria ) and a relatively moderate though completely uncoordinated set of states. In addition, there are radical Islamist forces that don’t work with the HISH bloc but seek revolution in their own countries. Failure to recognize that reality is extraordinarily dangerous.

Facing this very tough situation, it’s hard to believe that Barrack Obama has the experience, understanding, or worldview to manage the virtually continuous crisis the region faces. The critical point here is not whether he says the “right” things but whether he understands things the right way.

Speaking as an analyst, my main concern is not whether or not Obama is elected but that if he becomes president he will do the best possible job. The best-case conclusion—a combination of wishful thinking and accurate assessment—is that sooner or later he will reach what I’ll call the default position for U.S. Middle East policy.

In other words, he might start out convinced that he can persuade the Iranian and Syrian governments along with others who are enemies of the United States to play nice. Along the way, one hopes, he will learn that this doesn’t work. The main problem is that they don’t just object to U.S. policies (or values even, at least if those stay confined to America) but that they rightly see the United States as a barrier standing between them and a Middle East filled with Islamist states and under their hegemony.

All presidents need to learn in office. In relative terms, though, both Hillary Clinton and John McCain are pretty much ready now. Obama is going to need two or three years. So the good news could be that Obama will eventually understand what needs to be done; and the bad news is what happens during that time period.

Given current trends, it’s quite possible that by the time he gains the needed comprehension, Iran will have nuclear weapons, Lebanon and Iraq will be satellites of Tehran , and Hamas will run the West Bank . In addition, perceiving Obama as naïve and appeasement-oriented—not my invention but one inevitable in the region—will embolden extremists and make relative moderates rush to cut a deal with what they’ll see as the winning side.

Or to put it another way, the economist John Maynard Keynes said that in the long run we are all dead. In the Middle East , in the medium-run we will all be in very serious trouble.

Aside from the default policy factor there’s something quite important but never discussed: the division of labor. Strong criticism of Obama’s ideas and positions goes hand-in-hand with friendly efforts to change them. Only because he was hit so hard—and rightfully so—regarding his views on Israel did Obama shift ground, eliminate his most objectionable advisors, and change his talking points.

Equally, there are many who praise him and denounce criticism because they want jobs, seek to influence Obama, or want to ensure that he and his supporters don’t view certain communities and countries as enemies. If he’s going to be president, no one wants to stir up a feud. And it is best to have good people being appointed to important positions.
Consequently, both approaches are appropriate behavior and indeed compliment each other.

But while we are on the subject, let’s talk about U.S.-Israel relations. In this regard, there are three basic types of U.S. presidents:

–Those who see the Middle East in terms of radical versus moderate forces and view Israel as an asset in this struggle. Like Harry Truman, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush.

–Conservative presidents who also see the region in these terms but think that Israel is a liability because their priority is on keeping Arab allies like Saudi Arabia happy with Washington . Like Dwight Eisenhower and George Bush. Richard Nixon was in this category but switched when he recognized Israel as an asset in the Cold War.

–Presidents whose main priority is to reconcile, rather than combat, radical regimes, proving America is friendly and eager to respond to their grievances. So far, only Jimmy Carter fits here. And so far also there is every reason that Obama is more likely than not to follow in this path. After all, this is precisely how he views the Middle East .

Obama said that one can oppose the Likud viewpoint and still support Israel . True. But note that the Likud, in Obama’s sense, has not been in power since 1999. In fact, if this is Obama’s view he should be 100 percent supportive of the current Israeli government.

But that is beside the point. The important issue is not whether one favors a compromise peace agreement, Palestinian state, and territory for peace. The real question is: Who will you blame when this doesn’t happen? Remember, Israel has been harshly criticized during the last 15 years (since it made the Oslo accords) despite the fact that during 12 of them it followed the policy Obama says he likes.

Yet due to the intransigence of Hamas and the continued radicalism, disorganization, incompetence, and ambiguity (call it what you will) of Fatah, there is not going to be a comprehensive peace settlement. Would a president Obama conclude that Israel took risks and tried its best, or will he see a need to give the Palestinians, Arab states, and even Iran more and more concessions in the belief that this will eventually work?

Again, though, the key question here is not U.S.-Israel relations or Arab-Israeli issues, important as they are. The critical test for the next president is to wage a strategic struggle with radical forces that are becoming both stronger and more confident. If you have a vote, it is for you to decide who that should be.

Barry Rubin is director of the Global Research in International Affairs (GLORIA) Center http://www.gloriacenter.org and editor of the Middle East Review of International Affairs Journal http://meria.idc.ac.il. His latest books are The Truth About Syria (Palgrave-Macmillan) and The Long War for Freedom: The Arab Struggle for Democracy in the Middle East (Wiley).




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March 4, 2008 01:00 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Angry Barack Obama bombarded by media

An exasperated Barack Obama scurried away Monday from the toughest news conference of his campaign, telling reporters who kept shouting questions that he'd spent enough time on the grill.

"Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions," Obama, looking surprised, told shouting reporters as he fled the room. "We're running late."

The Clinton campaign has long complained that Obama gets soft treatment from the press corps. But Monday's exchange was no pillow fight.

The first question was about a private talk an Obama economic adviser had with a Canadian official - reportedly saying that the harshness of Obama's criticisms of the North American Free Trade Agreement was for political show.

Last week, Obama denied an initial media report about the conversation. But after a Canadian government memo surfaced, he acknowledged yesterday there was a conversation.

"When I gave you that information, that was the information that I had at the time," he said. His camp still disputes the memo's account of the discussion.

The questioning then turned to Obama's links to ex-fund-raiser Tony Rezko, who went on trial in Chicago Monday on corruption charges. A reporter asserted Obama hadn't fully answered journalists' questions on Rezko.

Obama insisted he had - during a past news conference with Chicago media. But another persisted that questions remain unanswered, such as ones about fund-raisers Rezko held for him.

Obama replied, "These requests, I think, can just go on forever. ..." He said the "pertinent" information had been provided.

When Obama declared the press conference over, one reporter yelled that he was dodging questions just minutes after claiming he wasn't.

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March 4, 2008 01:50 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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If he can't hold up under the pressure of a press conference then how the heck do people think he could hold up being President?  This is very telling about his abilities!  People better think twice on this one!!!  He is liable to hand everything over so he doesn't have to confront controversy!  He doesn't have the experience for this position....
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Lady Jane said: If he can't hold up under the pressure of a press conference then how the heck do people think he could hold up being President?  This is very telling about his abilities!  People better think twice on this one!!!  He is liable to hand everything over so he doesn't have to confront controversy!  He doesn't have the experience for this position....

But, gee, LJ, he has charisma......isn't that enough?  I love those people in the focus groups when asked about his lack of experience saying that he will just surround himself with people who are experienced......it will be OK!  Yeah, why don't we just elect Brad Pitt, he's cuter, or Hannah Montana, everyone loves her!!!

                    




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Perfect, Patsy.  I've actually heard whispers and hints that people are finally beginning to realize this.




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March 4, 2008 02:52 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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No surprise.  Not that Hillary is any better or any more experienced.  I wouldn't trust any of them to make change for a $1.


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Hillary campaign is accused of darkening Obama's skin in controversial new ad:




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March 4, 2008 03:21 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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I was just reading about that, FW.  And also that she is telling white voters to show up tonight for caucuses at 6:45, but saying 6:30 in the hispanic version.  Is dear little Shrillary implying hispanics are slow and lazy, or think they'll have a harder time finding the place to meet?


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Lol, the time diff is strange but you could be right about the "manana" attitude.  So much fun, isn't it?


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Last night it struck me as I was watching Fox news that this entire Hillary-Obama debacle is just a ploy by the Dems to dominte the media coverage. You know, they're doing a great job of it too. Who gives a rats a** about Hillary or Obama?  Neither one will save our country.  Yes, yes, yes and more yes.  All the scutiny that can be mustered and thrown out there should be brought to the forefront about this man and Hillary. Either one of them would be a disaster for our country.  I'm speaking not of silly pictures of him in an SS suit or any other garb, or if his skin tone seems different, but what his values truly are, where he really stands on American values and belief, what his voting record has been, which by the way is miniscule and as far left as one can posssibly go in the U.S., and just EXACTLY WHAT IS IT HE'S GOING TO DO THAT IS SUCH A REVOLUTIONARY (EVOLUTIONARY) CHANGE?  For the sake of our children and grandchildren, this is not a popularity contest for crying out loud.
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 Of course they would be a disaster, Gerald.  That's why I'd have to try to laugh because otherwise I'd break down and cry at the prospect. 

 FW....here's the time difference story:Newsmax.com - Hillary's Ads Reflect Latino Time

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Gerald47 said: Last night it struck me as I was watching Fox news that this entire Hillary-Obama debacle is just a ploy by the Dems to dominte the media coverage. You know, they're doing a great job of it too. Who gives a rats a** about Hillary or Obama?  Neither one will save our country.  Yes, yes, yes and more yes.  All the scutiny that can be mustered and thrown out there should be brought to the forefront about this man and Hillary. Either one of them would be a disaster for our country.  I'm speaking not of silly pictures of him in an SS suit or any other garb, or if his skin tone seems different, but what his values truly are, where he really stands on American values and belief, what his voting record has been, which by the way is miniscule and as far left as one can posssibly go in the U.S., and just EXACTLY WHAT IS IT HE'S GOING TO DO THAT IS SUCH A REVOLUTIONARY (EVOLUTIONARY) CHANGE?  For the sake of our children and grandchildren, this is not a popularity contest for crying out loud.

The more truth that comes out about these two with all their in-fighting even if it is with the use of silly pictures and darkened skin tones, the better it is for those of us that think McCain is our best shot in giving us a chance to keep this country from totally going down the tubes. 




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March 4, 2008 03:47 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Patsy said:

 Of course they would be a disaster, Gerald.  That's why I'd have to try to laugh because otherwise I'd break down and cry at the prospect. 

 FW....here's the time difference story:Newsmax.com - Hillary's Ads Reflect Latino Time

 Alarm Clock





Oh, that's so funny!  In our church we have what is known as "Mormon standard time".....usually about 30 minutes late!




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March 4, 2008 03:51 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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LOL....I have a friend who lives "on the other side of the bridge"....Cape Cod.  She is always late for everything.  Work, lunch, movies, supper, you name it.  We've teased her for years about "Cape Time".  If we say we'll meet for lunch at 12, I don't even bother showing up until 12:15 because I know she'll be on Cape time.  And I STILL wait 10 or 15 min. for her.  Doesn't help that she drives about 45 on the highway either! 


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Gerald47 said: Last night it struck me as I was watching Fox news that this entire Hillary-Obama debacle is just a ploy by the Dems to dominte the media coverage. You know, they're doing a great job of it too. Who gives a rats a** about Hillary or Obama?  Neither one will save our country.  Yes, yes, yes and more yes.  All the scutiny that can be mustered and thrown out there should be brought to the forefront about this man and Hillary. Either one of them would be a disaster for our country.  I'm speaking not of silly pictures of him in an SS suit or any other garb, or if his skin tone seems different, but what his values truly are, where he really stands on American values and belief, what his voting record has been, which by the way is miniscule and as far left as one can posssibly go in the U.S., and just EXACTLY WHAT IS IT HE'S GOING TO DO THAT IS SUCH A REVOLUTIONARY (EVOLUTIONARY) CHANGE?  For the sake of our children and grandchildren, this is not a popularity contest for crying out loud.

The more truth that comes out about these two with all their in-fighting even if it is with the use of silly pictures and darkened skin tones, the better it is for those of us that think McCain is our best shot in giving us a chance to keep this country from totally going down the tubes. 

 

Those are just cosmetics and not down to the "Brass Tacks" and "meat and 'potatoes' "(lol) of what REALLY  needs to be presented to the American people.  The Dems are dominating the media right now and they know that most voters are swayed, God help us, by popularity.  It's a sneaky tactic if you catch the drift of it, and one they're employing very effectively.  I don't think they care less who wins their nomination, especially when you consider that both Hillary and Obama are practically one and the same, they just occupy different bodies, that's it. They're playing it as if it does make a difference and captivating the media and American voters by doing so. Don't you see?

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Gerald47 said:

 

Those are just cosmetics and not down to the "Brass Tacks" and "meat and 'potatoes' "(lol) of what REALLY  needs to be presented to the American people.  The Dems are dominating the media right now and they know that most voters are swayed, God help us, by popularity.  It's a sneaky tactic if you catch the drift of it, and one they're employing very effectively.  I don't think they care less who wins their nomination, especially when you consider that both Hillary and Obama are practically one and the same, they just occupy different bodies, that's it. They're playing it as if it does make a difference and captivating the media and American voters by doing so. Don't you see?

I do see, but I think that once the primaries are over and we have two candidates the "meat and potatoes" will come out.....hopefully in our favor.




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Comment updated March 4, 2008 05:30 PM
Gerald47 said: Who gives a rats a** about Hillary or Obama?

Unfortunately millions do - called Democrats (or just plain old bleeding heart liberals)!  So many, that I think one of the two will be the next POTUS -- probably Obama!  Incredible - charisma, and nothing else, and he has a high chance of becoming the next POTUS -- America has gone stupid! 

And FireWing -- what meat and potatoes?  McCain?  Sigh........




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(CM) Jim from Texas said:
Gerald47 said: Who gives a rats a** about Hillary or Obama?

Unfortunately millions do - called Democrats (or just plain old bleeding heart liberals)!  So many, that I think one of the two will be the next POTUS -- probably Obama!  Incredible - charisma, and nothing else, and he has a high chance of becoming the next POTUS -- America has gone stupid! 

And FireWing -- what meat and potatoes?  McCain?  Sigh........

I meant that after the primaries the issues will come into focus and hopefully people will see that McCain would be a better choice than either Hillary or Obama.  I know, the choice is really discouraging.




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Obama has been under my scrutiny from his begining as presidential candidate. This guy has two faces and a mouth on each face. How can you trust a person running as our president when he has had ties with the weather underground, this group is connected with islamic terrorists, support terrorists, and Obama has set on the board received paychecks from them untill the time when he started running for Ill. senator, then Obama is in this Rev. Wrights church that slurs the white Americans, Jews and even trods down blacks, how could Obama set under this so called preacher for almost 20 years and never hear any of the racist talk put out from behind the pulpit of Wright, then take up for Wright when the cat is out of the bag calling Wright the same as his old uncle. come on Obama who do you think your talking to, a bunch of morons, sorry but i dont think so. Then suddenly Obama finds out his running for presidency is at stake because of this preacher then denounces his preacher over television. Why all of a sudden did Obama change his mind, was it purely for convieneance. There is something about Obama.!!!! This chrismatic man has a charm like ive never seen anybody have, even people that have sat under his speeches have fainted over him, then when it is all over with the people leave the meeting and say wasnt that a great speech by Obama, didnt you feel the inspiration from his spirit, oh by the way i forgot what the speech was about, do you remember they ask each other. This man has a spell cast over many Americans, is he the forerunner to the antichrist or something.! There is something about Obama. Now im hearing talk on the TV about why Obama isnt getting the votes they expect him to get, they are saying it is because he is a black person, can you believe the media starting this crap. What is going to happen if Obama looses the presidency.? esp after the crap being said about loosing votes because he is black. I can see a big cloud coming in on the horizon it is called racial tension in the United States. There is something about Obama. Dont you know that if this man is elected as president, the muslims will be dancing in the streets. my god people need to open their eyes, mind, hearts, understanding, use their brains, is it that hard to see what Obama represents. Then you have our very own Hillary the liar, how can this woman keep on lying and think we people dont know the truth, we had 8 years of Clintons, we sure as hell dont need 4 to 8 more years of them, If either one of them wins the presidency were up a creek without a paddle. We will loose more personal freedom, plus rights to bear and own a firearm, our taxes are going out of sight if either of these two get in. There is something about Obama/Hillary. McCain is the lessor of the three evils, I want Ron Paul as my president but i think he will not go far in the polls so im voting McCain.. Oh and by the way im new to this forum, joined yesterday, have read a few posts and like what im seeing here, this is my first post, hope to become a constructive member of this forum, Thanks for letting me join the group. silverfreedom

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