Calling McCain's bluff will show how deep in the CFR's clutches he is.

McCain wants to be president pretty badly. Unless he can bring the conservative base back, he does not have a prayer. By sticking to our guns and supporting his opponent in the general election will show us whether he will sacrifice his election as president for the goals of the elite who have subverted this country's electoral process or will bow to our will in order to be successful. We do have that power as conservatives.

If conservatives stick to their guns and support the Democrat candidate unless McCain pledges that there wi;ll be no legal path to citizenship for illegal aliens, no increase in federal taxes, and that he will sign the repeal of McCain- Feingold during his presidency.

If McCain really wants to be president, he will make the pledges in the next two or three months. In the mean time, spread the word and do not back down. If he does not budge, we will deny him the presidency and know that the subversion of our political system by shadow groups is nearly total.

Good advice.  However, I do not trust McCain to keep his word.  He has already sold his soul to the CFR to get as far as he has.  He could have a accident, you know.

I think Romney was "advised" to 'suspend his campaign', and so was Tanc.  Hunter just never got any traction.  Thompson was there to take votes away from them, when they were gone there was no reason for him to stay in.  Giuliani just plain blew it.

 

 

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It is good advice, I agree, but I also agree that McCain would not keep any promise or sign any pledge with intentions of keeping his word. 

It will be interesting to see what the coming months bring for him, particularly with no traction from us--conservatives, and the 2 to 1 Democrat margin of voters.   

John Wunderlich said:

McCain wants to be president pretty badly. Unless he can bring the conservative base back, he does not have a prayer. By sticking to our guns and supporting his opponent in the general election will show us whether he will sacrifice his election as president for the goals of the elite who have subverted this country's electoral process or will bow to our will in order to be successful. We do have that power as conservatives.

If conservatives stick to their guns and support the Democrat candidate unless McCain pledges that there wi;ll be no legal path to citizenship for illegal aliens, no increase in federal taxes, and that he will sign the repeal of McCain- Feingold during his presidency.

If McCain really wants to be president, he will make the pledges in the next two or three months. In the mean time, spread the word and do not back down. If he does not budge, we will deny him the presidency and know that the subversion of our political system by shadow groups is nearly total.

 

A pledge from McCain is worth no more than spit in the wind.

As far as I am concerned, McCain has absolutely no chance in the general election.  I agree with many of the talkshow hosts, let a Democrat be the one to ruin this country during the next four years --------- not a Republican.

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I agree John. 

There is no doubt that the longer the grassroots folks hold out the better off things will end up.  

The link below was posted on another thread.  Send the petition to the RNC, state GOP office, McCain HQ etc.

http://nowaymccain.com/

McAmnesty will poke you in the eye with a sharp stick if you don't poke him first......

SovereignMan

You guys watch the video from the new Glenn Beck thread I just posted - Glenn Beck is right on! 

He basically says we need the "party" to hit bottom and be rebuilt because it is broken and McCain is not a conservative and he is not selling out and "enabling" the party because it is too important to not let the party down.

Yes, McAmnest will poke you in the eye with a sharp stick it you don't poke him first - so true!

We all agree that McCain cannot be trusted, but holding out and applying pressuer where we are able is the best we can do right now. Let's call his bluff and see who is more stubborn, him or us. If he would rather give up the presidency than bend to our will, then we know that forces greater than his desire are at work. And I am talking about the forces that want open borders, and as much immigration as possible, no matter what.

John Wunderlich said: We all agree that McCain cannot be trusted, but holding out and applying pressuer where we are able is the best we can do right now. Let's call his bluff and see who is more stubborn, him or us. If he would rather give up the presidency than bend to our will, then we know that forces greater than his desire are at work. And I am talking about the forces that want open borders, and as much immigration as possible, no matter what.

 

Negotiations should start like this:  a pledge to VETO any legislation that provides for a path to legalization, status or benefits for illegal aliens, or program that increases the number of legal guest workers.   Also, no further participation in SPP or North American Union talks as well as a promise for a VETO of LOST. 

Then we would talk administration:  Vice President - Senator DeMint, Secretary of Defense - Rep Hunter, Homeland Security - Rep Tancredo, Secretary of Energy - Senator Inhofe. 

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer....

SovereignMan

 

Interesting concept, John.  I can be very stubborn.  Think I'll check that website out.

The only way you will get anything useful out of Amnesty McCain is to tell him to show us he has really got the message on Illegal immigration.

Build the fence before November of we support anyone else. 

Please, you guys, we have  to think  of repercussions other  then hating MCain if  the  democrats  win, just  think of  the liberal socialist  judges  they  wil put on the  Supreme Court. That  alone   will  finish  this  country off, there  is  so much more at  stake than  just electing  someone  we  all  detest. And if  we keep going  down this road we  will be  sunk. I  blame Bush as  much as  anybody  for  destroying  the Republian party, it  will take  years  to repair the  damage he has  done but he DID get conservative  judges on the  Supreme Court and  that is HUGE !!!!!

These things have already been decided.  They did not ask for our input nor will they.  You only hold the illusion that somehow you have a vote in these matters.  The "estabishment" would never allow matters of such importance to be decided by "Common People".  Elections are nothing more than a necessity to create for us the illusion that we have a voice.  

All who believe otherwise after this election cycle are truly naive.

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The Republican elites expect that we will pick the lesser evil selection chosen by the elites who pull the strings of both parties. When we pick the greater evil if a few basic conservative principles will not be upheld, we are exercising a method to see how subverted our system really is. I discovered this subversion only last June myself when the efforts of the pro amnesty Republicans made no sense to me based upon the conservative grassroots uprisng by the millions. If McCain is so stubborn and inflexible to continue to maintain his "principles" at the cost of the presidency, then we will know just how important the open borders, the unfair to the middle class free trade, and the desire by the elite to further control  every aspect of our lives in the ways freedoms for most Eurpoteans are reduced compared to what we had traditionally enjoyed..

New World Order.

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This may be a way for all of us on FS and elsewhere to unite.  Samuel Adams did it 200 plus years ago with the Sons of Liberty, and gopteaparty may be our window of opportunity.  It certainly is worth a try to stop the elites/establishment from permanently destroying our foundations.

http://gopteaparty.com/

The plan is simple. If as few as 10% of voting Republicans will commit to NEVER vote for John McCain, he cannot win the presidency.

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John Wunderlich said:

McCain wants to be president pretty badly. Unless he can bring the conservative base back, he does not have a prayer. By sticking to our guns and supporting his opponent in the general election will show us whether he will sacrifice his election as president for the goals of the elite who have subverted this country's electoral process or will bow to our will in order to be successful. We do have that power as conservatives.

If conservatives stick to their guns and support the Democrat candidate unless McCain pledges that there wi;ll be no legal path to citizenship for illegal aliens, no increase in federal taxes, and that he will sign the repeal of McCain- Feingold during his presidency.

If McCain really wants to be president, he will make the pledges in the next two or three months. In the mean time, spread the word and do not back down. If he does not budge, we will deny him the presidency and know that the subversion of our political system by shadow groups is nearly total.

 

John, your stated goals can be reached without supporting the "Democratics" candidate. If you vote for the "Democratics" candidate in the remaining primaries and caucus' it will only be interpreted as "they're more energized than us", and, if you vote for the "Democratics" candidate in the general election in Nov., the media and the "Democratics" will spin it to say," We have a mandate."

In both, the remaining states that are yet to vote, and, in the upcoming General Election, the best strategy is to leave the Presidential slot blank or write in a candidate in the appropriate spot on the ballot.

Republicans cannot win by voting for the "Democratics", no matter what they are trying to accomplish. It will either be deliberately misinterpreted or deliberately spun to look like we've given them a mandate. Those are two things we can't afford.

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Our battle is with the elite thatpull strings they have no business pulling. We need to know the extent of the problem and being wishy washy and fearful will not get the job done. We must be bold and spell out the consequences of not slidly being against any form of amnesty or path to legalization for illegal aliens if we are to succeed. It is that simple and going weak kneed will not get us what we demand and what is necessary for national survival.

  McCain would really have to SHOW me that he is against illegal immigration before I would consider voting for him.  I told him that two years ago in an e-mail and I'm not going to back down.  If the Democrats get in it's not going to be on my conscience when the borders open wide and our guys and gals come home from Iraq to no employment.  I am a 58 year old woman who has worked almost 40 years of my life and if I have to, I will do everything I can to defend my country's sovereignty.

Well  the  way I see it,,, if  we  continue on  this divided path,  the  dems  will sweep.   so make up your mind, whether  you  want  to spite somebody  or  prove  your point,,, is it  worth allowing  O'Bama  or Hillary  win?