Demise of the Republican Party - Immanent? Splintering?

If the present splintering I see here at FS is any indication.  If there is the same kind of splintering across the nation.  Then the Republicans will lose the White House and most likely the Party will fade into Oblivion.  What say you?

 

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I believe that you are on the right track.  The splintering is also evident in the "establishment" of the party.  Many are siding with McCain, and many are going with Romney.  There is a definate struggle.  However the same struggle for power between the "Old Guard" and the New is also evidenced on the dem side, with the powers splitting over the clitons, and the muslim.

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Let both parties splinter to hell. It's no longer about parties anymore. Let all the little divisive groups stand alone and scream their demands to high heaven. Without cover of party we will be able to recognize them better.

The party system will stand as is until Americans force a change through legislation.  The country has come to a tipping point where some old systems no longer work because of shifts in demographics, ideology and external global forces.  Note that Calderon will soon be in the U.S. trying to influence our politics.  What changes in our coutry have given Mexico this opportunity? 

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The splintering exists, we just all have a difference of opinion on when it all changed.  My firm belief is the Republican Party Heyday died with Reagan Landslides over Democrats and in 1988 when the Republican voters ( myself included)  bought into the George H W Bush's " Stay the Course" and equally phony "Read My Lips, No new taxes" and from then on we were served with endless pandering to liberals on Judges, Gun Laws, Environmental Extremism, Etc..   

  We had a huge opportunity to correct the course in 1992 and 1996 but instead put up weak candidates instead of a True Reagan Conservative Pat Buchanan and got a well deserved double dose of Clinton.  Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo were good candidates but good candidates are obviously not welcome in the establishment lock on our Oval Office.    The splintering is nothing new.  Redistricting and weak Republicans have closed the gap so quickly that Florida's vote results had to go to the Supreme Court to decide if Bush beat Gore.  Could it get any more laughable than that.   

   The passion exists here for non establishment candidates who reflect the glory days of real Republican policies and America's Strength was evident all over the world.  We were three trillion dollars in debt when Reagan Left office.  Clinton / Bush have us at almost 10 Trillion in National Debt.  Do you see anyone willing to take on the global national corporations in the current field ?

TG

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And the Paulies are still gonna vote Paul and the Fredo's are still going to vote Fred and the Tancredos are still gonna vote Tom.  With that happening the Democrats no matter how weak or perverted they are will kick the Republican Elephant's bigg Butt.

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Not quite, SP.  I'm not going to throw my vote away on someone who's not even in the race anymore.  But you're right on the splintering.

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Patsy said: Not quite, SP.  I'm not going to throw my vote away on someone who's not even in the race anymore.  But you're right on the splintering.

 

Do you think that splintering will take away enough votes from the Nominee to let the Dems win (which in my opinion) will kill the "repubs" for 4 to 8 years that decimate the party?

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(CM) theSuperPatriot said: And the Paulies are still gonna vote Paul and the Fredo's are still going to vote Fred and the Tancredos are still gonna vote Tom.  With that happening the Democrats no matter how weak or perverted they are will kick the Republican Elephant's bigg Butt.

 

What does the Republican Party stand for anymore?  Is McCain a good representative of the Republican Party?  I don't think so but he exists under that umbrella of influence.  Is Bush the good example of a Republican?

I will vote Republican, even if I don't have any good choices, and Bush's embarrassing and disgraceful performance will not stop me.

Let the Democratic Party dissolve into all the little splinter groups Hillary tries to appease.   Let there be a black party, a Hispanic Party, an Asian Party and a White Party.  Let there be a closed borders party and an open borders party.  Let there be an amnesty party and a no amnesty party.  Let there be a Mexico First party and a U.S. First Party.  Let everyone declare themselves so we, as voters, don't have to sift through the morass of half-truths to see where people stand.  Like I said,  let them splinter all to hell!

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I don't know, SP.  I certainly hope not, but on the other hand, I wouldn't place a bet on yes or no, it's really a toss up at this point.  Will be interesting to see how it plays out.  Will the repubs destroy themselves with infighting first, or will the dems?

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Suffering in AZ.1 said:

(CM) theSuperPatriot said: And the Paulies are still gonna vote Paul and the Fredo's are still going to vote Fred and the Tancredos are still gonna vote Tom.  With that happening the Democrats no matter how weak or perverted they are will kick the Republican Elephant's bigg Butt.

 

What does the Republican Party stand for anymore?  Is McCain a good representative of the Republican Party?  I don't think so but he exists under that umbrella of influence.  Is Bush the good example of a Republican?

I will vote Republican, even if I don't have any good choices, and Bush's embarrassing and disgraceful performance will not stop me.

Let the Democratic Party dissolve into all the little splinter groups Hillary tries to appease.   Let there be a black party, a Hispanic Party, an Asian Party and a White Party.  Let there be a closed borders party and an open borders party.  Let there be an amnesty party and a no amnesty party.  Let there be a Mexico First party and a U.S. First Party.  Let everyone declare themselves so we, as voters, don't have to sift through the morass of half-truths to see where people stand.  Like I said,  let them splinter all to hell!

 

Whatever the Republican stands for now can't possibly be as bad as the cowardly, baby killing Democrats.  Then everything else is a moot point and only God can save us.  Which in that case I doubt He would.

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Tommygarage said:

The splintering exists, we just all have a difference of opinion on when it all changed.  My firm belief is the Republican Party Heyday died with Reagan Landslides over Democrats and in 1988 when the Republican voters ( myself included)  bought into the George H W Bush's " Stay the Course" and equally phony "Read My Lips, No new taxes" and from then on we were served with endless pandering to liberals on Judges, Gun Laws, Environmental Extremism, Etc..   

  We had a huge opportunity to correct the course in 1992 and 1996 but instead put up weak candidates instead of a True Reagan Conservative Pat Buchanan and got a well deserved double dose of Clinton.  Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo were good candidates but good candidates are obviously not welcome in the establishment lock on our Oval Office.    The splintering is nothing new.  Redistricting and weak Republicans have closed the gap so quickly that Florida's vote results had to go to the Supreme Court to decide if Bush beat Gore.  Could it get any more laughable than that.   

   The passion exists here for non establishment candidates who reflect the glory days of real Republican policies and America's Strength was evident all over the world.  We were three trillion dollars in debt when Reagan Left office.  Clinton / Bush have us at almost 10 Trillion in National Debt.  Do you see anyone willing to take on the global national corporations in the current field ?

TG

 

Hey TG,

You're on track about George H W Bush being the one to poison the Republican Party and we've been dying a slow death thanks to him. You left out the most important part though. The real poison was his "Big Tent" agenda to bring in every sort of low life he could that said they would vote Republican. It didn't matter to him if they didn't have any traditional conservative beliefs or not. Now look at the Party. What a sick party.We have a choice of McCain, Romney, Giuliani. A true conservative can't get the nomination any more. Thanks to the Big Tent!Most of the people I know are sick to death of these 3 stooges and probably just won't vote for a president give the choices.The Republican Party needs some housecleaning. That's OK thought because if things keep going like they are now the Democrats will have an old fashion race riot to keep them busy.

 

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The left wing, socialist Democrats don't have to do a thing to defeat us. Our own party leadership is going to do it without any help.

I consider myself right square in the middle of the Republican Party base. I can tell you that I, and a whole lot more, won't vote for RINO's like McCain, Huckabee, and Guiliani. I predict that if any of them are the Republican nominee, the socialist Democrat will win by as much as 3 to 1 over the Republican. We will also have severe losses in the US Senate and House, which will finally allow the the radical liberal Democrats to impose pure socialism on us.

I am recently retired early (62). I firmly believe that if any of these RINO Republicans recieve the nomination, I will probably not see another Republican President in my lifetime. That is a tragedy of the greatest proportions. 

FINALLY I have reached the point that I will not vote for the lesser of 2 evils. This time, I am going to vote FOR someone, not AGAINST someone. So, if one of these RINO's gets the nomination, I definitely will be going 3rd party. We have to stand up on our hind legs sometimes, and say"enough is enough".

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 Super Patriot said:

"Whatever the Republican stands for now can't possibly be as bad as the cowardly, baby killing Democrats.  It it is then everything else is a moot point and only God can save us.  Which in that case I doubt He would."

"... baby killing Democrats."  What kind of hyperbolic hate talk is that?  Your personal beliefs in God and abortion should not be part of a political debate but you make it just that by inserting it where it doesn't belong.  I object to your version of what God would or would not do.  Calling all Democrats "baby killers" is so obviously wrong that you should ban yourself for a week.

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Suffering in AZ.1 said:

 Super Patriot said:

"Whatever the Republican stands for now can't possibly be as bad as the cowardly, baby killing Democrats.  It it is then everything else is a moot point and only God can save us.  Which in that case I doubt He would."

"... baby killing Democrats."  What kind of hyperbolic hate talk is that?  Your personal beliefs in God and abortion should not be part of a political debate but you make it just that by inserting it where it doesn't belong.  I object to your version of what God would or would not do.  Calling all Democrats "baby killers" is so obviously wrong that you should ban yourself for a week.

 

Suffering AZ,

I find it hard to agree with the SP on much but this time he's telling the truth. If it weren't for the democrats we wouldn't have baby killing clinics in this country. So he is correct when he says "baby killing Democrats".

He is also correct says that only God can save us now.

Politics is about anything anyone wants it to be. It can be about religion or money. You don't make the rules, but I'm sure you and the baby killing Democrats would like too.

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Suffering in AZ.1 said:

 Super Patriot said:

"Whatever the Republican stands for now can't possibly be as bad as the cowardly, baby killing Democrats.  It it is then everything else is a moot point and only God can save us.  Which in that case I doubt He would."

"... baby killing Democrats."  What kind of hyperbolic hate talk is that?  Your personal beliefs in God and abortion should not be part of a political debate but you make it just that by inserting it where it doesn't belong.  I object to your version of what God would or would not do.  Calling all Democrats "baby killers" is so obviously wrong that you should ban yourself for a week.

 

So you don't recognize one of the main differences between the Republican Party and the Democrat Party.  That surprises me.  But that is abortion and the Liberals (usually Democrats) are for the killing of 1  1/2 Million babies a year.  That's hyperbolic hate, the killing of 1 1/2 million babies a year.  Object all you want so what? 

No, abortion is wrong and about half of the country is in agreement with me.  Calling all Democrats baby killers was never said in the first place and the baby killing Democrats can well defend themselves.  I strenuously object to your objection (A Few Good Men) good scene.  Keep objecting, thanks.

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In all fairness, SP, I rather doubt it is just democrats having abortions.  Nor do I believe it is only liberal doctors performing them. 

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modill said:

Suffering in AZ.1 said:

Super Patriot said:

"Whatever the Republican stands for now can't possibly be as bad as the cowardly, baby killing Democrats. It it is then everything else is a moot point and only God can save us. Which in that case I doubt He would."

"... baby killing Democrats." What kind of hyperbolic hate talk is that? Your personal beliefs in God and abortion should not be part of a political debate but you make it just that by inserting it where it doesn't belong. I object to your version of what God would or would not do. Calling all Democrats "baby killers" is so obviously wrong that you should ban yourself for a week.

 

Suffering AZ,

I find it hard to agree with the SP on much but this time he's telling the truth. If it weren't for the democrats we wouldn't have baby killing clinics in this country. So he is correct when he says "baby killing Democrats".

He is also correct says that only God can save us now.

Politics is about anything anyone wants it to be. It can be about religion or money. You don't make the rules, but I'm sure you and the baby killing Democrats would like too.

 

I stand by every word I said and will refrain from calling you names.

P.S.

To SP:  If you're going to cite movies, like lawyers cite law, make sure the case (or the movie) is on point and supports your case.  In "A Few Good Men" the female lawyer was made to look like an idiot when she "strenuously objected." 

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Regardless of the outcome of the Republican Primaries, the story depicted in this link could be a difficult fact to overcome:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080126...

 

Patsy said: In all fairness, SP, I rather doubt it is just democrats having abortions.  Nor do I believe it is only liberal doctors performing them. 

 

Yes but the point is that The Great Platform of the Republican Party is Anti-abortion and the Gread Platform of The Democratic Party is right to Abortion. Not made up differences but Party Platforms that both divide the Parties and divides the Country.  I'm sure not all Dems are hoping they can abort and I'm sure there are Repubs that have abortions.  The COUNTRY IS STILL DIVIDED IN TWO on abortion (baby killing).  

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That's true SP.  I just don't believe abortion should be on EITHER party's platform.  It's not a government matter as far as I'm concerned, even though I absolutely hate the idea myself.  One of the things I'll never forgive Bush for is sticking his nose in the Terry Schaivo case...it was none of the government's damned business!!  Aren't conservatives for LESS government control of our personal lives?

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