Is Romney Really the Ideal Opponent?

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January 22, 2008 07:59 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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It's conventional wisdom that Democrats would have an easier time defeating Mitt Romney than John McCain.  Among the reasons: Romney is a transparent panderer, doesn't excite evangelicals, can't claim more experience on national security, and is simply not that likeable a figure.  Most of the time, I think that's right. 

But yesterday, as I watched Romney on "Fox News Sunday," I had one of these fleeting moments when I began to wonder whether Romney wasn't a better candidate than McCain.  It wasn't because he changed any of the above conditions.  It was because he could speak credibly on the economy, in the sense that he was comfortable with the policy issues and was presenting a coherent narrative about his candidacy.

The narrative, of course, is all about his experience in the private sector.  It goes like this:

I know how to do that and get Washington back on track. This is fundamentally, I believe, an election about changing Washington, about doing to Washington what has to be done to get America back on track so that we can regrow our economy.

And I'll tell you one thing, Chris, the only way you're going to have somebody who understands how to rebuild an economy is to have somebody who's been in the economy, who knows what it's like to see jobs come and go, who's fought to try and build businesses and build jobs.

We're competing around the world now with China and India, tougher competition than we've ever faced before.

It's going to be helpful to have a president who, when we're looking at agreements to work out with other countries on trade -- that knows what impact those agreements will have on American jobs, who knows, for instance, when there are tax incentives put in place, how it's going to change jobs in this country.

I am intimately familiar with how our economy works. I'm working very hard to make sure that the workers of this country have a brighter future. And I will never accept the idea that jobs are gone in America. I'm going to fight to bring back jobs and to grow this country.

Note the way Romney intertwines two powerful messages here -- that he's an outsider and that he understands business.  This is a much better sales pitch than what we get from McCain, who -- for all of his genuinely appealing characteristics -- just doesn't have much to say on economics.  Back when the two were campaigning in Michigan, I noted that this difference was the reason Romney bested McCain in that contest.  But if the economy continues to slide, I don't see why the same won't be true in other states -- and why it wouldn't be true in the general, as well.  McCain's inability to speak about the economy could be a fatal flaw come November. 

Again, I'm not saying McCain is likely to be the weaker candidate -- just that he could be, for some of the same reasons he may not win the Republican nomination in the first place.  As always, "electability" is very difficult to predict -- which is why I think voters are better off voting on leadership qualities and policy positions.




January 22, 2008 08:31 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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McCAIN IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE, by any stretch of the imagination. The thought of voting for him makes me gag! It's starting to look like Romney may become the lesser of 4 evils (himself, McCain, Comrade Clinton, and you know who). God help us!
January 22, 2008 09:14 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Neither is Romney! He was crushed under the liberal legislature as govenor, is it really a good idea to make him president so he can be crushed under the liberal pressure of Nancy and company?


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January 22, 2008 10:54 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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What "pressure" is that, mdc?  Nancy and Dingy Harry haven't had many victories lately, have they?




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January 22, 2008 04:06 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Patsy said:

What "pressure" is that, mdc?  Nancy and Dingy Harry haven't had many victories lately, have they?

 

Has it been 100 days yet?


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January 22, 2008 05:14 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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In my opinion if McCain gets the nomination, the Republican party will be destroyed and the Democrats would sweep.




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January 22, 2008 05:40 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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I hear Romney is for unlimited H-1B visas.  Just what we need, more competition amongst immigrants and citizens.
January 22, 2008 06:39 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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I have witnessed the problems that the H-1B program can cause. I have emailed the Romney campaign, urging him to re-think his stance on H-1Bs.....

We'll see..... 




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January 22, 2008 06:48 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Rayj, marijam

 

Romney is NOT in favor of unlimited H1b Visas. I know I was on H1B until I became a PR and then a proud citizen.

 Romney is in favor of the proper use of H1B for what it was intended - use for truly exceptional people who are needed for the good of the economy and whose presence will lead to returns many times over in terms of our competitiveness. And not run of the mill programmers and IT people who will replace Americans doing those jobs.

 And just to be sure I also wrote to his campaign and he clarified his position. 

January 22, 2008 06:56 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Being a telcom guy, I know of this industry and have seen people layed off and H-1B come in right behind them! I have actually heard of people forced to train their replacement (H-1B)!!!

I know there are exceptional people already here. People who had to work in other fields after the .com bust as well as after 9/11. They would love to return to what they know and love best! These people as well as the college grads should be given first dibs on the jobs...

Now for other industries? I don't know. Can anyone give me an example of what industry we need to depend on H-1B's?

 

 




Rayj
First you're born, you pay taxes, you die.
Then your next of kin has to pay more taxes
on your funeral! How fair is that?

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This is our culture; fight for it. This is our flag; pick it up. This is our country; take it back.
Tom Tancredo - 2007
Tom's Military Rules of Engagement: WE WIN!

Winston Churchill - "An appeaser is one who feeds the crocodile hoping it will eat him last."

"Victory will never be found by taking the line of least resistance."

Proud member of the NRA....although I don't even own a pistol or rifle......

The sooner Mecca's ambient temperature is raised to roughly 250,000 degrees fahrenheit, the better....
January 22, 2008 07:29 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Comment updated January 22, 2008 07:34 PM
Rayj00 said:

 

Being a telcom guy, I know of this industry and have seen people layed off and H-1B come in right behind them! I have actually heard of people forced to train their replacement (H-1B)!!!

I know there are exceptional people already here. People who had to work in other fields after the .com bust as well as after 9/11. They would love to return to what they know and love best! These people as well as the college grads should be given first dibs on the jobs...

Now for other industries? I don't know. Can anyone give me an example of what industry we need to depend on H-1B's?

 

 

 

From a working class hero view Ray i can help asnwer that question . Till i had my heart surgery 2 years ago i was a long haul trucker for 33 years . 3 million clean miles and now nothing . Since the CDL came out in 1992 and de-regulation also. Drivers money is now trash . A new driver trains for a company and can hardly afford to eat . Mexican drivers are all our the States breaking the back-haul laws of NAFTA (they can't back-haul but do).

In 1985 i could make MORE than now in real dollars . Thats 22 year different and add in inflation and you can see what truckers now are bottom of the barrel in mentality and attitude ! NOW to top all this off . Some major trucking companys bought in drivers by the thousands from Denmark & Norway . They treat them amd pay them like crap !! All promises are broken . And it's just like the H-1B training you speak of. American drivers train them . Then the American is forced out . No un-employment No nothing . Another thing is a company now would have to hire me at their top wage, which is still trash to any old timer (I got taxes to pay). Why hire me when they can get an illegal with bogus papers for less than 1/5 the cost of me.

try to work your way up and you end up working your way down !!! Only in America . But God i love this land.

Sorry for getting off topic but the question was asked.

Also , NO candidate is perfect . But Mitt is pretty near as we can get right now . If he screws us like were used to at lease he has nice hair said my wife  Wink




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January 22, 2008 07:33 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Wow...I didn't realize companies were importing truck drivers!!  What about the mighty Teamster Unions? 




Rayj
First you're born, you pay taxes, you die.
Then your next of kin has to pay more taxes
on your funeral! How fair is that?

http://www.fairtax.org
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This is our culture; fight for it. This is our flag; pick it up. This is our country; take it back.
Tom Tancredo - 2007
Tom's Military Rules of Engagement: WE WIN!

Winston Churchill - "An appeaser is one who feeds the crocodile hoping it will eat him last."

"Victory will never be found by taking the line of least resistance."

Proud member of the NRA....although I don't even own a pistol or rifle......

The sooner Mecca's ambient temperature is raised to roughly 250,000 degrees fahrenheit, the better....
January 23, 2008 09:49 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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I've been watching Romney closely since Tancredo bowed out.  At first I was appalled that Tom so readily cast his support to Mitt.  Then I started thinking that since I had agreed with Tom so totally on issues, he must have been seeing something that I hadn't bothered to look for in Mitt.  At this time I think he is the best candidate.  Also Gov Henmeman from NE has thrown his support behind Mitt.  I know him and know how anti-illegal the Gov of NE is--I trust his judgement.

At one of the debates it gave a recap of his earlier years.  I was astounded by the fact that when 21 yeas of age, in France doing missonary work for a year; he was in an bad accident. At this time, the police wrote on his passport--'he is dead'.  He spent a long time convalescing--I guess my point is, you never hear him whining about the bad things that he has endured.  In contrast--I don't think I can stand four years of seeing and hearing McCain whine!!  The recap also mentioned that Mitt was first in his class, is brilliant and an over-achiever which some of his past endevours prove.

Everyone needs to take a closer look at Mitt.  Hilliary and Obama need to keep fighting!

January 23, 2008 12:35 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Who in this race was ever an ideal candidate? This is about a trade off by accepting a smooth polished big business rich media tycoon governor instead of the other three obvious idiots. If it comes down to Mitt vs. them this november, I'll put on my gas mask and vote GOP and pray for the best. If there were a decent Independent choice this time around, I might of considered him.


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January 23, 2008 07:00 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Something to think about--

Wednesday, January 23, 2008

Why they Hate Mitt Romney

Now that Fred Thompson has dropped out, it appears my record in picking someone isn't too good, but I previously said that I would enthusiastically support Giuliani or Romney if Fred dropped out. At this point it is Romney for me. I hope I'm not the kiss of death. Here's an interesting post from the American Thinker:

Why they Hate Mitt Romney
By Amy D. Goldstein, American Thinker, January 23, 2008

Have you noticed how all of the Republican candidates can barely conceal their contempt for Governor Mitt Romney? It goes way beyond the typical good-natured competition that usually is the hallmark of Republican contests. Senator McCain has snarled at Governor Romney in debates and Gov. Huckabee has tried to paint Romney as cold and uncaring, while Sen. Fred Thompson attacked Governor Romney right out of the box. This display of hatred usually is the hallmark of the Democrats.

So, why do the other candidates hate Mitt Romney? Several reasons:

1. He can win. Governor Romney appeals to economic conservatives and could appeal to foreign policy conservatives based upon his understanding of the issues. Most non-partisan foreign policy wonks who have briefed the major candidates tell me that Romney "gets it" better than any other candidate -- even better than those who have held high profile office for decades. Moreover, he is the candidate that the Democrats most fear.

2. Jealousy -- from his hair to his appearance to his family to his money - these are all reasons for deep seeded, if unseemly, jealousy. This green-eyed monster makes its appearance in almost every speech or presentation, in the form of a joke, a jab or a veiled reference.

3. He isn't beholden to interest groups. Governor Romney's wealth frees him from any influence that interest groups could apply to others - especially those who lack funds or who are Washington insiders. He doesn't need them, and that scares the interest groups and their allies. He is not of the game and wants to change it - and his personal wealth allows him to do so. He really can change Washington.

4. His brains - not only is he one of the smartest people ever to seek the presidency (having earned a Harvard MBA and JD simultaneously), but he understands the complexities of the issues that America faces and is able to devise workable solutions. Just look at his proposal for an economic stimulus and compare it to what the other candidates are proposing. Romney clearly can lead this country through economic challenges.

5. His wealth -- again. While he has raised more than any other candidate, Governor Romney doesn't need to raise the money in order to continue. Nevertheless, he understands that successful candidates must have people invested in their candidacy in order to succeed. He has learned the lessons of past wealthy businessmen who make vanity runs for the White House. The other candidates have to constantly raise money in order to continue their campaigns.

6. His experience. The rest of the Republican field has been in politics in one form or another for most of their adult lives. Governor Romney came to public service after having a successful career in which he directly created jobs, saved jobs, invested in new companies and turned around failed businesses. He even fixed both the Olympics and the failing state of Massachusetts. More than any other candidate, Governor Romney's experience is most directly applicable to the average American's situation.
7. He believes that America's best days are ahead of it, and not a memory. Governor Romney is a man of the future, not of the past. He sees America as a beacon of freedom for the entire world, and not a country limping toward its last days. His infectious optimism is informed by his business experience, his love of country and his family values. His can-do spirit is the antidote to defeatism masked as "straight talk" or "reality."

8. His beliefs. When all else fails, Governor Romney's opponents attack his religion in the hopes of sowing fear and loathing. Not only is this unseemly, but it is dangerous. We have seen this type of rhetoric before - in the 1920's and 1930's - from the likes of Henry Ford and Father Caughlin and others who sought to disenfranchise whole segments of the American population. Governor Romney believes in the common American faith of democracy and religious freedom, as he so eloquently stated in his speech "Faith in America." These are the values our Founding Fathers codified in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

Why do the Republican candidates hate him? Because they don't have any answers to his challenges. They seek to undermine him by using personal attacks more worthy of a middle school playground than a presidential contest. This is politics and Washington as usual, and choosing any candidate that employs these tactics will only get us more of the same. One would hope that Americans could see beyond these base attacks and choose the candidate who is best for the country - Governor Mitt Romney.


Amy D. Goldstein is an occasional contributor to American Thinker.
January 23, 2008 09:31 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Not you too!!!?  I had you pegged as a Principle driven, Constitutionalist Conservative.   I thought at least you might wait until the Convention before your surrender. 


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January 24, 2008 02:16 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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I don't hate Mitt Romney. Just want to point out that in interviews among the Muslim communities in Michigan , as seen on television, many within the Muslim communities said they were voting for Mitt Romney in the GOP primaries.
January 24, 2008 02:22 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Muslims in Michigan voting for Mitt Romney is just something to be aware of.
January 24, 2008 03:04 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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MT said:

Rayj, marijam

 

Romney is NOT in favor of unlimited H1b Visas. I know I was on H1B until I became a PR and then a proud citizen.

 Romney is in favor of the proper use of H1B for what it was intended - use for truly exceptional people who are needed for the good of the economy and whose presence will lead to returns many times over in terms of our competitiveness. And not run of the mill programmers and IT people who will replace Americans doing those jobs.

 And just to be sure I also wrote to his campaign and he clarified his position. 

 

H1B visas take jobs away from people like ME! If a foreigner takes a job that I will be vying for after graduation this May...I will go BALLISTIC! Want a job? Go to India! We seemed to have outsourced EVERYTHING to India.... It's nice you were able to come here on the H1B visa....but people like ME deserve the jobs BEFORE anyone else.

Romney WILL be a good opponent and is capable of making Hillary and Obama look like blubbering idiots. He is strong on the economy, the war on terror and has promised to do what is right for AMERICA with regard to securing our border and STOPPING THE FLOW OF ILLEGALS!

I hope Romney will also be receptive when "listening" to WE THE PEOPLE.....we all know Hillary and Obama WOULD NOT!

 




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January 24, 2008 06:13 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Ron Paul is getting a lot of muslim support in MN--google 'muslim support for Ron Paul' for a listing.

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