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January 9, 2008 12:51 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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If those little skiffers are all they got, they'll be vaporized in the first few pot shots. They looked like minnows circling a whale. The cryptic radio responses said plenty. No question they are asking for it. That little incident sort of dashes the "false flag" theory of a staged attack a la Gulf of Tonkin style.


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January 9, 2008 01:29 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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The US Navy has every right to blow those boats out of the water, if you don't believe me just think back to what happened to the USS Cole. This is the second time in a year that Iran has tried to provoke the US, remember the British hostage crisis a few months ago?




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January 9, 2008 01:30 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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The Admiral or official in those ships held back their attack on the Iranian ships.  I think I would have pushed the button on the nearest one.
January 9, 2008 01:42 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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The Navy should have blown them out of the water.  Now that they got away with this, they'll just try it again.  We blinked.


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January 9, 2008 01:54 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Sure, they have every right to blown them all the back to back Iran, but will it possibly start WWIII?
January 9, 2008 02:20 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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kmcheng said: Sure, they have every right to blown them all the back to back Iran, but will it possibly start WWIII?

WWIII is more likely to start if we appear weak. 




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January 9, 2008 02:32 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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I agree.  The Navy dropped the ball big time.  This was a test of our defenses, and we failed.  Military officials inside Iran have even publicly said this was a test.  They tested the British and they failed.

 These people only respect 1 thing, strength.  We are becoming a joke to them.  This will only hurt our position more.  Expect more tests in the future.

January 9, 2008 02:48 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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I can see both sides.....the case for restraint (sort of!, and the case for blowing them out of the water, but if it were up to me, I'd have blown the bloody b*stards to kingdom come and let them have their 72 virgins. Battleship Ship 








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January 10, 2008 12:26 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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I'd advise against our agressiveness right away.  My guess is that either the US is exaggerating again just like Golf of Tonkin or the Iranians are trying to goad us into a fight.  Sure we can blow their boats of of the water but can we win a war.  We don't like winning wars now do we.  Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq to name a few, why would we win in Iran.  What wars were started by boat ship skirmishes.  Barbary War I, Barbary War II, World War I, World War II, Viet Nam.  They know our history they know that is the way to get us started. 

They've been dealing weapons with the Russians and the Red Chinese with ship missles, land to air, land to sea etc.  I don't think we out to jump into something because of a couple boats.  We had a ship blown up and did nothing about it.  We do not know what the Communists gave Iran and what arrangements to protect Iran were made.

No question we could blow them out of the water but is it the right course.  We are spread too thin already.  I know a prophecy that says that while the US is spread too thin big countries will step in to divide and conquer America.  Are we ready?




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January 10, 2008 12:39 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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We're definitely spread way too thin right now.  And a show down Iran doesn't sound like a pleasant adventure either.   I don't know, SP, I'm just glad the decision didn't rest on my shoulders.


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January 10, 2008 12:45 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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I trust the audio in that video is genuine...it better be!


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January 10, 2008 12:55 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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I'm just saying it wouldn't be the first or second time.  Of course I thought that Saddam had a trap planned especially with gas or bio and I was wrong.  I still wonder why he didn't use it.  But then again he didn't have the backing of Russia and Red China, who by the way have itchy trigger fingers with us these days.


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January 10, 2008 01:57 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Hey SP,  I agree with you,  I don't think not blowing them out of the water showed weakness because the fact that we would have if they continued was ststed.  

Do you think China is one of the big countries that is dividing this country?  I mean they practically own half of it.  Or do you think that it is Mexico because they populate half of it ??




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January 10, 2008 02:14 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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No, China, we given Red China plenty of money thru trade that they have bought some mighty fine weapons from Russia including a big aircraft carrier that is coming.  They kept at least 9 ships out of Taiwan for New Years including a ship or two needing cover from raging storms.  They are worried we will help out when Taiwan declares Independence.  Russia and China are really chummy.  Red China is digging deep water ports in Canada and Mexico.

Five shots across five bows would have sufficed.  That's normal protocal for the last 300 years.




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This may be in reference to my ealier post on this thread.

“Iran Seeks Confrontation in Gulf” and when Israel may take out its nukes

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ken-timmerman-boat-picture-jpeg.jpgKen Timmerman is an intrepid courageous journalist and writer. Whether tracking the “Shadow Warriors” - the miscreants at both State and the CIA who have tried to do in our policies in the ‘long war’ in the Middle east and Iran’s nuclear weapons development - or raising the specter of a looming confrontation between Iran and the US in the Persian Gulf waters, he is prescient, ahead of emerging developments. There’s a reason for that. Ken has suffered at the hands of the Jihadis that he speaks of frequently. As a working journalist in Beirut during the first Lebanon war in 1982, he was captured and held hostage by PLO-Fatah operatives for three weeks. That has made an indelible impression on him of what Jihad and Political Islam is all about. It threads through much of his advocacy work on behalf of regime change in Iran and in his unstinting support for the security of Israel. There is an engrossing profile of Timmerman in this article from the Montgomery (County) Gazette- a Washington suburban newspaper. Read it.

Timmerman’s NewsMax.com article delves into two subjects-the provocative acts of the IRGC speedboats attacking US Naval vessels in the Persian Gulf and the looming red line for an Israeli unilateral attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities. Timmerman suggests that what occurred in the Straits of Hormuz earlier this week is part of deliberate strategy to test the responses of local US naval vessel commanders to react and determine the soft points in our rules of engagement.

Witness this comment by a veteran of the 1980’s tanker war in the Persian Gulf : .

“The incident on January 6 was unusual in that it involved the taunting of U.S. Navy warships engaged in free passage through the Strait of Hormuz,” said retired Navy Cmdr. Joseph Tenaglia, a maritime security specialist who was deployed in the region on active duty during the tanker war in the 1980s and has been studying the region for 26 years.

“I think this is a game of chicken. You have some young hothead radicals with a speedboat and some weapons who are told go out and bother the Americans, but don’t get too close or they may shoot. After all it’s called the Persian Gulf not the American Gulf.”

This could be a prelude to a repeat of the tanker wars of the 1980’s, that the US won and enabled the flow of oil from the Gulf to continue unabated during the Iran Iraq war. Timmerman ties the current incident in with others that occurred last spring.

Of more concern is the question of what Israel will do when the Russians deliver fuel to the Busheir nuclear reactor in Iran. A former Naval officer, now an analyst at the Heritage foundation, Peter Brookes suggests, as we have posted, that Israel will have to launch a pre-emptive attack akin to that of the famed Osirak reactor ‘raid on the sun’ near Baghdad in June, 1981 when the IAF took out the late Saddam Hussein’s nuclear facility. The reason for it as Brooke explains in this Timmerman article is:

In both cases, Israel struck before any nuclear material was present, “to prevent radiation from the reactor being spewed into the atmosphere after a strike,” Brookes said last week.

A similar motive could now prompt Israel to strike Iran in the coming weeks or months, before the Russian nuclear material is delivered to Busheir, Brookes believes.


by Kenneth Timmerman, NewsMax.com, January 10, 2008

The near-miss confrontation between Iranian speedboats and a U.S. naval convoy in the Strait of Hormuz on Sunday was a clear provocation by Iran, aimed at testing the reaction time of U.S. Navy commanders and the political will of the United States, sources within the Iranian military tell Newsmax.

The U.S. failed the test, because no shots were fired, the Iranians said. (more…)




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January 11, 2008 10:30 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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As a result, the U.S. Navy can expect similar provocations in the future, as Iran seeks to determine what red lines the U.S. Navy is willing to draw in the narrow sea lanes.

“If the U.S. Navy had shown strength and directly opened fire, the Revolutionary Guards high command would understand that they can gain nothing in military hostilities with the United States,” Newsmax sources within the Iranian military said.

Instead, this latest incident has only fueled the aggressiveness of Iran’s leaders, who see that the United States has now followed Britain, which backed down after a group of British Marines was taken hostage in international waters by Revolutionary Guards patrol boats last spring.

Dramatic video footage released yesterday by the U.S. Navy showed five Iranian speedboats racing across the wake of a U.S. Navy convoy in the narrow international shipping lanes of the Persian Gulf on Sunday. [Edtor’s Note: To view the Pentagon video, go here now.]

After a series of bull horn blasts and repeated warnings from the radio operator on the bridge of the destroyer USS Hopper, the sky-blue Iranian boats broke off — just seconds before U.S. commanders gave the order to open fire on them.

The entire incident lasted nearly 20 minutes, with the Iranians taunting the Americans in the final moments. “I am coming to you . . . You will explode in few minutes,” an Iranian radioed the Americans from his speedboat.

The other two boats in the U.S. convoy were the guided missile cruiser USS Port Royal, and the guided missile frigate USS Ingraham.

All three boats are among the most modern in the U.S. fleet.

By way of example, the USS Port Royal, the last of the Ticonderoga class cruisers, cost $1 billion and carries a crew of 33 officers, 27 chief petty officers, and 340 enlisted men.

“The incident on January 6 was unusual in that it involved the taunting of U.S. Navy warships engaged in free passage through the Strait of Hormuz,” said retired Navy Cmdr. Joseph Tenaglia, a maritime security specialist who was deployed in the region on active duty during the tanker war in the 1980s and has been studying the region for 26 years.

“I think this is a game of chicken. You have some young hothead radicals with a speedboat and some weapons who are told go out and bother the Americans, but don’t get too close or they may shoot. After all it’s called the Persian Gulf not the American Gulf.”

But Iranian sources say that the provocation was part of a strategic plan, which Newsmax first revealed last spring, to test U.S. reactions in preparation of a full-scale confrontation with the United States that would involve naval and missile forces in the Persian, and terrorist surrogates around the world.

Last year, the Iranians flew drones close to U.S. aircraft carriers patrolling in the Persian Gulf and showed the footage on state-owned television. “This was their way of saying, ‘look how close we can get to you,’ said Sardar Haddad, an Iranian activist with close ties to Iranian intelligence and military circles.

“The have plenty of individuals who are willing to blow themselves up. If the U.S. Navy doesn’t take this seriously, they could face something worse than what happened to the USS Cole,” he added.

The Iranian provocation occurred on the eve of President Bush’s eight-day visit to the Middle East, where he plans to discuss the threat of Iran’s nuclear weapons program with Israel and other U.S. allies in the region.

President Bush responded categorically to the Iranian thrust just before setting out for his Middle East tour.

“They should not have done it, pure and simple,” Bush told reporters. “I don’t know what their thinking was, but I’m telling you what I think it was — I think it was a provocative act.”

The timing of the Iranian probe clearly was aimed at sending a signal to the United States and to America’s friends on the Arab side of the Persian Gulf, who closely monitor traffic through the Strait of Hormuz.

The Arab gulf states have bad memories of Iranian actions during the final years of the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq war, when Iranian Revolutionary Guards vessels seeded the narrow international shipping channels with naval mines that crippled oil tankers and ultimately provoked a U.S. military response.

They are also seriously worried by Iran’s nuclear weapons program, and its ability to conduct subversive actions against their regimes through local Muslim groups.

Iran is seeking to deter them from a closer alliance with the United States, and specifically, from allowing their territory to be used to launch strategic strikes against Iranian nuclear weapons facilities.

Peter Brookes, a former U.S. Navy officer and strategic analyst for the Heritage Foundation, believes that Israel is nearing a decision to unilaterally bomb Iran.

Why now?

Simple, Brookes believes. Because Russia has finally set a date — sometime this spring — for delivering the first load of nuclear fuel to Iran’s nuclear reactor at Busheir, along the Persian Gulf coast.

Israel has twice launched airstrikes to cripple the nuclear programs of its declared enemies.

In June 1981, it struck the Osirak nuclear plant in Iraq. Last September, it struck a site in Syria which Brookes and other analysts believe was intended to house a nuclear weapons development program.

In both cases, Israel struck before any nuclear material was present, “to prevent radiation from the reactor being spewed into the atmosphere after a strike,” Brookes said last week.

A similar motive could now prompt Israel to strike Iran in the coming weeks or months, before the Russian nuclear material is delivered to Busheir, Brookes believes.




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January 11, 2008 10:37 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Its all over you tube and pro amnesty site that we faked the video, people leaving remarks cussing the US and calling us liers, What do you think would of happened had we hit them, People like Rosie would say we are evil, and had no right, I think we actually have to let them blow up part of our ship, like the Cole, loose 17 lives and then, maybe only then, after we sent them flowers and apoligized for even living, then if they nuked us, well then, maybe after Obama went over and talked to them with Huckabee than, if that didnt work than maybe if we ask rosie we could fire a warning shot, just before we a annililated.
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I'll have to believe my source, read the history of the war with Iran that hasn't happened yet.  In fact I brought up the scenerio before Brigitte from American Congress for Truth pretty much an expert.

“Iran Seeks Confrontation in Gulf” and when Israel may take out its nukes

http://blog.americancongressfortruth.com/2008/01/11/iran-seeks-confrontation-in-gulf-and-when-israel-may-take-out-its-nukes/#more-1160




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January 11, 2008 02:14 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Comment updated January 11, 2008 02:15 PM

What provocation?

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/stor...

http://www.antiwar.com/porter/?articl...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/20...

Remember that Bush has been looking for a new excuse to attack Iran since the NIE shot down his last one. If you look at both sides of the issue, you can see that the US Government is once again trying to goad us into supporting an illegal, immoral, unjust, unconstitutional war. If the media is so anti-war, why is it promoting this "provocation" all over the place? I smell a rat.

Read the Politically Incorrect Guide to American History and you'll see that Woodrow Wilson and FDR used the same tactics to get the US into WWI and WWII well before it actually joined.  As has been mentioned, the Gulf of Tonkin was a faked incident to gain support for Vietnam.  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.




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