Paticipating in a "religion" that allows killing is not a liberty... 

Another case of a wacko muslim killing his two daughters becasue they dated boys....

Link! 

Outlaw Islam Now!!! 

Rayj00 said:

 

Paticipating in a "religion" that allows killing is not a liberty... 

Another case of a wacko muslim killing his two daughters becasue they dated boys....

Link! 

Outlaw Islam Now!!! 

I don't know if we can, because of our constitution.  I would say, though, go even further and disallow faith-based education facilities, make all education secular.  Arrest radical imams on the grounds of inciting terrorism.  Don't know if we can do that either because of our consitutional right to free speech and the right to practice religion.

 I do think that we have been able to disallow ritual slaughter of animals and stuff like that, in the case of voodoo.

 Also, DON'T make allowances for the practice of Islam in airports, in sports arenas and in educational facilities.

 Having read Infidel, I agree with Ayaan that organized religion is little more than slavery and submission to an all-powerful clan or tribe.  As an independent American, I can't stand to see the some of the same aspects of radical Islam, here, in our fundamentalist evangelicals.

marijam said:

Rayj00 said:

 

Paticipating in a "religion" that allows killing is not a liberty... 

Another case of a wacko muslim killing his two daughters becasue they dated boys....

Link! 

Outlaw Islam Now!!! 

 

I don't know if we can, because of our constitution.  I would say, though, go even further and disallow faith-based education facilities, make all education secular.  Arrest radical imams on the grounds of inciting terrorism.  Don't know if we can do that either because of our consitutional right to free speech and the right to practice religion.

 I do think that we have been able to disallow ritual slaughter of animals and stuff like that, in the case of voodoo.

 Also, DON'T make allowances for the practice of Islam in airports, in sports arenas and in educational facilities.

 Having read Infidel, I agree with Ayaan that organized religion is little more than slavery and submission to an all-powerful clan or tribe.  As an independent American, I can't stand to see the some of the same aspects of radical Islam, here, in our fundamentalist evangelicals.

I've heard others say the same as you: I can't stand to see the some of the same aspects of radical Islam, here, in our fundamentalist evangelicals.

Please let us know exactly how fundamentalist evangelicals compares to radical islam... I don't see any comparison at all.... 

And how many in the last 250 years have been killed in the name of Christianity? Got any ballpark figures?

The Muslims are still killing to this very day in the name of their god. Those muslims that are not part of the so called "small group" are just as much to blame becasue I have yet to see the Million Muslim march against radical islam. Until I do....all muslims are suspicious...

Rayj00 said:

 

And how many in the last 250 years have been killed in the name of Christianity? Got any ballpark figures?

The Muslims are still killing to this very day in the name of their god. Those muslims that are not part of the so called "small group" are just as much to blame becasue I have yet to see the Million Muslim march against radical islam. Until I do....all muslims are suspicious...

It is just a small group, any as of latley christanity has kinda changed its way but it has alot longer history of violence than it does peace...  Not to long ago there was some abortion clincs being blown up an some doctors shot... Im not even saying i disagree with it but those guys where christian an equated abortion to murder... But theres people out there who would call that a radical belief should we outlaw christanity to...   Radical Islam is wrong but you cant push all of them for what a sect of there religion does...

Wish you could. I would love to get rid of Islam (not the muslims themselves of course.) But, the religion itself. Remember that Satan used Mohammed to invent Islam to try to crush Christianity which will never die off. Also, both the drive-by media and the Conservative media still believe that Islam is part of the church and will not allow it. So, were doing an uphill thing here. But, chin up to those like us who see the real truth about Islam.

KEEP PRAYING.

NO ! NO ! To "outlaw" any belief system in the United States is a GROSS VIOLATION of our Constitution ! Aside from that statement of FACT, it would begin the "slippery slope" of governmental control over individual conscience and freedom of thought, values and beliefs. NO, NO, NO !!! On that slippery slope, begun with the outlawing of Islam, the government could and would....outlaw Catholism for implanting "guilt", Mormons for having too many books of Scripture, Jehovah's Witnesses for harrassment ( constant door knocking), Evangelicals for unattainable high moral standards, Taoist for burning incense (environmental pollution), and Aethist for wishy-washy moral code. Every religion and non-religion would be subject to governmental control eventually and individual rights to belief would be GONE FOREVER. (Some of the above was JEST based in the Lunacy of the slippery slope ).

Many of us are citizens of the United States BECAUSE other governments regulated religion. My Presbyterian Scottish forefathers fled England because of religious persecution, German Lutherans fled, French Hugonauts fled, and the list of religious pilgrims that came to the FREE THINKING America goes on. Here in the U.S. one's personal beliefs are not PERSECUTED, individuals are FREE to THINK and BELIEVE what they wish. This individual right to personal beliefs is ingrained in us as individuals and in our government from its inception.

Yes, a belief system that teaches violence to gain dominance over ALL OTHER religions MUST BE FOUGHT ! It must be fought with our intellect and our arms ! Such a belief system is CONTRA the very foundation of our society and government. But to fight such a violent belief system by BANNING it DESTROYS the foundation of a FREE SOCIETY ! Such a fine line of fighting against a violent religion while not outlawing it outright can be frustrating to many. But the fine line runs DEEP to the core of individuals rights to think and believe what they wish.  Pray that we are wise enough to fight the violence of men with arms AND reason, while not succombing to the OUTLAWING of the freedom of conscience.

Rayj00 said:

The Muslims are still killing to this very day in the name of their god.

Interesting. A comment was made by al-Zawahri just the other day. His comment was "I ask God for the men of jihadi media to spread the message of Islam and monotheism to the world and spread real awareness to the people of the nations." Of course, what he means by "spread the message of Islam and monotheism" is "convert or die". You can find that and more in this post on Conservative Oasis.

In response to the original poster:

1. In the minds of the radicals, Islam does not "allow" murder. It encourages it.
2. Murder is already illegal here. You don't need to outlaw the religion.
3. I agree, the silence is deafening from the rest of the "moderate" Islamic world.

How could anyone believe in a religion that teaches hate?  If your daughter looked at a man or got pregnant could one of your family members kill her as a HONOUR KILLING because she disgraced the family.  They just plain believe in killing.

My God teaches Love and forgiveness. 

Conservative Oasis Dotcom said:

Rayj00 said:

The Muslims are still killing to this very day in the name of their god.

 

Interesting. A comment was made by al-Zawahri just the other day. His comment was "I ask God for the men of jihadi media to spread the message of Islam and monotheism to the world and spread real awareness to the people of the nations." Of course, what he means by "spread the message of Islam and monotheism" is "convert or die". You can find that and more in this post on Conservative Oasis.

In response to the original poster:

1. In the minds of the radicals, Islam does not "allow" murder. It encourages it.
2. Murder is already illegal here. You don't need to outlaw the religion.
3. I agree, the silence is deafening from the rest of the "moderate" Islamic world.

Great post...let's hope the next time one of these nut job extremists straps a bomb to himself and takes out innocent people along with himself that he is met by 72 VIRGINIANS not 72 VIRGINS as his "reward".

And they "silenced" the moderate Islamic world when they murdered Bhutto last week.......they feared her more than anything- her ousting from Pakistan in 1996 coincides with the first time I saw State Department Travel Advisory briefings mentioning "threats" from Bin Laden and others against American intersts worldwide- they were very vague.

Mind you, they have worked DECADES to get this far and this organized on a global level.

The threat is real and the next President of this country had better have a set of brass ones....and the cunning and nerve to go up against some of these leaders of terrorist regimes.

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Randynaz said:

It is just a small group, any as of latley christanity has kinda changed its way but it has alot longer history of violence than it does peace... Not to long ago there was some abortion clincs being blown up an some doctors shot... Im not even saying i disagree with it but those guys where christian an equated abortion to murder... But theres people out there who would call that a radical belief should we outlaw christanity to... Radical Islam is wrong but you cant push all of them for what a sect of there religion does...

Randy, there is an author by the name of Dan Simmons who I enjoy reading. His genre is speculative fiction, based upon extrapolated evidence of today's social, political, and ethical mores. He wrote an incredible short story called The Time Traveler. It is fascinating and I highly recommend it to all. However, it generated a lot of controversy and he wrote another column to address some of the issues arising from his take on Islam. You can read his response here. But what I want you to pay close attention to is his explantion of transformative beliefs. It will address your basic misunderstanding of the politico-socio fascism of Islam and the religion of Christianity.

I also suggest you pick up a copy of Samuel Huntington's book The Clash of Civilizations And the Remaking of World Order. It's a must-read for anyone to gain some insight into what we're really facing.

Take a look at this quick point:

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It is part of our Western liberal perspective of tolerance—especially institutionalized in the liberal democracies of post-Christian Europe, but perhaps even more deeply ingrained in the still-Christian psychology of early 21st Century America—to reject such data and conclusions as listed above.

Even if it is true, as Samuel P. Huntington documented in his seminal 1996 book The Clash of Civilizations And the Remaking of World Order, that most war-level conflicts on planet Earth at the end of the 20th Century were between Muslims in their societies or between Muslim nations and their neighbors, we cannot easily accept that there is something in the religion itself that causes such violence.

That is, of course, unless one reads the Koran and the hadith (literature and oral tradition that has grown up around the Koran which recounts the sayings and actions of the Prophet.)

Most of the world, especially since 9/11, has been waiting for a rousing and unqualified renouncement of suicide bombings, jihad, persecution of infidels, fatwas, honor killings, and other Muslim atrocities from the silent majority of Muslim clerics and devout Muslims.

With very few and always heavily qualified exceptions, that "silent majority" has remained silent. Arranged marches of "moderate Muslims" to protest even the most outrageous public atrocity—such as the Nov. 2004 brutal murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh by a 26-yr.-old Dutch Moroccan man in retaliation for van Gogh’s film "Submission" documenting abuses of Muslim women in Europe—drew far more journalists and local Dutch marchers than Muslims.

Could it be possible that—despite constant protests to the contrary by all of our intellectuals, government leaders, and media— the Koran and its associated religious traditions do advocate the slaughter of innocents?

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." —(Koran 9:73)

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous." —(Koran 9:123)

"The believers who stay at home—apart from those that suffer from a grave impediment—are not the equal of those who fight for the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God has given those that fight with their goods and their persons a higher rank than whose who stay at home. God has promised all a good reward; but far richer is the recompense of those who fight for Him…He that leaves his dwelling to fight for God and His apostle and is then overtaken by death, shall be rewarded by God…The unbelievers are your inveterate enemies." —(Koran 4:95 -101)

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Meanwhile, here's a defense of Christianity, from a man who is not even a Christian:

I am willing to change the constitution in order to erase Islam from our country.  Islam has no accomplishments except murder and bloodshed.  Some religion, heh ? Islam has no problem with mutilating little girls, killing relatives for honor, and having sex with barnyard animals. Let's just outlaw Islam and call it a step up in class. It's a fools errand to attempt to change bloodthirsty cavemen, but nuclear war should be saved for a last resort.

That being said, nuclear war will be what changes Islam, because reason and social progress have no chance against the brainwashing many Muslims undergo from childhood. (another tasteless practice of Islam)

Islam is not a religion, it's a disease.

January 3, 2008

"He was really strict about guy relationships and talking to guys, as well as the things she wears" -- so he killed her

Really strict

He was upset that they were involved with non-Muslims. "Texas manhunt for father of slain girls," by Robert Stacy McCain in the Washington Times:

Texas authorities continued a manhunt today for an Egyptian-born taxi driver accused of murdering his teenage daughters.

Yaser Abdel Said, 50, was wanted on a warrant for capital murder after police say he shot the girls Tuesday and left them to die in his taxi, which was found parked in front a hotel in Las Colinas, a suburb north of Dallas. Police said Mr. Said should be considered armed and dangerous.

Friends of Amina Yaser Said, 18, and Sarah Yaser Said, 17, described the girls to the Dallas Morning News as "extremely smart — like geniuses," saying the slain sisters had been enrolled in advanced placement classes and were active in soccer and tennis at suburban Lewisville High School.

While police refused to discuss a possible motive for the crimes, family and friends told reporters that the girls' Westernized lifestyle caused conflict with their Muslim father, who immigrated from Egypt in the 1980s.

"He was really strict about guy relationships and talking to guys, as well as the things she wears," Kathleen Wong, a friend of the girls, told KTVT-TV, the Dallas CBS affiliate.

Two boys who said they had been dating the sisters told KXAS-TV in Dallas that Mr. Said was upset that his daughters were involved with non-Muslims.

"She just wanted a normal life, like any American girl wanted," one of the boys told the NBC affiliate station, adding that Sarah "was always kind, gentle, always cheerful, always had a smile on her face."

The boyfriends said yesterday they feared for their safety because Mr. Said was still at large. "Obviously he already showed that he is a dangerous man," one told the KXAS station.