Pastor Joel Osteen speaks out on Mormonism

The pastor of the nation's largest church has offered his take on Mormonism.

Osteen said he did not know enough about the religion's beliefs to comment

then shut up, don't make another word before you know any better

I won't listen to a comment from a guy who preaches prosperity gospel anyway, a gospel which Christ becomes a freaking Santa Claus, no mention of sin and repentence needed for salvation... 

FireWing said: You know there is a group of Evangelicals whose sole mission is to go to Utah and convert the Latter-day Saints away from their faith.  Sounds like your calling, G47.

Think so?  Would you join me or support me on that mission?

Gerald47 said:

FireWing said: You know there is a group of Evangelicals whose sole mission is to go to Utah and convert the Latter-day Saints away from their faith.  Sounds like your calling, G47.

 

Think so?  Would you join me or support me on that mission?

You're kidding me, right?  Whoever turned you on to Dr. Martin will have a lot to answer for, I think.  I don't envy him.

I don't really care about Romney, he probably won't win in the primary anyway.

I do wonder why Rudy is still the leading republican candidate. Is the 9/11 effect still here? I mean, if God forbid, the general is Rudy vs. Hlllary, I may as well as vote Hillary - I don't see any huge different between them besides the gender.

I am for either Huckabee or Thompson. These days it looks like Huckabee is rising and Thompson is sinking. I don't know if Heckabee is going to high enough to  beat Guiliani though.

FireWing said:

Gerald47 said:

FireWing said: You know there is a group of Evangelicals whose sole mission is to go to Utah and convert the Latter-day Saints away from their faith.  Sounds like your calling, G47.

 

Think so?  Would you join me or support me on that mission?

You're kidding me, right?  Whoever turned you on to Dr. Martin will have a lot to answer for, I think.  I don't envy him.

Why?

kmcheng said:

I don't really care about Romney, he probably won't win in the primary anyway.

I do wonder why Rudy is still the leading republican candidate. Is the 9/11 effect still here? I mean, if God forbid, the general is Rudy vs. Hlllary, I may as well as vote Hillary - I don't see any huge different between them besides the gender.

I am for either Huckabee or Thompson. These days it looks like Huckabee is rising and Thompson is sinking. I don't know if Heckabee is going to high enough to  beat Guiliani though.

You seriously don't see a difference between Rudy and Hillary?  There is a huge difference between any Dim and any Repub.

Gerald47 said:

FireWing said:

Gerald47 said:

FireWing said: You know there is a group of Evangelicals whose sole mission is to go to Utah and convert the Latter-day Saints away from their faith.  Sounds like your calling, G47.

 

Think so?  Would you join me or support me on that mission?

You're kidding me, right?  Whoever turned you on to Dr. Martin will have a lot to answer for, I think.  I don't envy him.

 

Why?

FireWing said:

kmcheng said:

I don't really care about Romney, he probably won't win in the primary anyway.

I do wonder why Rudy is still the leading republican candidate. Is the 9/11 effect still here? I mean, if God forbid, the general is Rudy vs. Hlllary, I may as well as vote Hillary - I don't see any huge different between them besides the gender.

I am for either Huckabee or Thompson. These days it looks like Huckabee is rising and Thompson is sinking. I don't know if Heckabee is going to high enough to  beat Guiliani though.

You seriously don't see a difference between Rudy and Hillary?  There is a huge difference between any Dim and any Repub.

you got any idea? I would love to hear.

FireWing said:

Gerald47 said:

FireWing said:

Gerald47 said:

FireWing said: You know there is a group of Evangelicals whose sole mission is to go to Utah and convert the Latter-day Saints away from their faith.  Sounds like your calling, G47.

 

Think so?  Would you join me or support me on that mission?

You're kidding me, right?  Whoever turned you on to Dr. Martin will have a lot to answer for, I think.  I don't envy him.

 

Why?

 

Because the good doc has blinded you to the truth.

What is the truth? 

kmcheng said:

FireWing said:

kmcheng said:

I don't really care about Romney, he probably won't win in the primary anyway.

I do wonder why Rudy is still the leading republican candidate. Is the 9/11 effect still here? I mean, if God forbid, the general is Rudy vs. Hlllary, I may as well as vote Hillary - I don't see any huge different between them besides the gender.

I am for either Huckabee or Thompson. These days it looks like Huckabee is rising and Thompson is sinking. I don't know if Heckabee is going to high enough to  beat Guiliani though.

You seriously don't see a difference between Rudy and Hillary?  There is a huge difference between any Dim and any Repub.

 

you got any idea? I would love to hear.

One that is big for me... Bill Clinton. Bill is campaigning like it was him running, not Hillary.

I believe that this is an end run to get Bill a forbidden third term. They tried to get Hillary elected Governor when Bill was running for President... but the voters saw through the sham. Hopefully the  national voters will do the same.

Which Clinton Running the Show?

As Bill Clinton crisscrosses America defending his wife's candidacy, he's fueling speculation about who'd be in charge should Hillary be elected.

Sen. Clinton — the incredible shrinking candidate — seems at times almost a bystander at her husband's campaign, merely playing a somewhat more active role than she did in '92.

In our modern era of dynastic politics, the elder members of the dynasties have a duty to step aside to let their less experienced heirs shine. Former President George H.W. Bush, for example, has stayed well out of the limelight to let his son have center stage. Yet Bill Clinton is playing an ever-larger role in his wife's campaign.

At first, his appearances were novel and politically helpful. But then they came to underscore her weakness.

It was as if Dennis Thatcher had stood up for Maggie as she faced down the Argentine junta in the Falklands war. Now, Bill's oversized presence on the national stage raises an even more profound question: Is he using his wife's candidacy to seek a third term in office, prohibited him by the 22nd Amendment?

Increasingly, he seems like former Gov. George Wallace, who put his wife Lurleen into the Alabama State House after he was forced from office by term limits. (Or, in a more recent example, like Argentine President Nestor Kirchner, who stepped aside only to have his wife, Christina Fernandez Kirchner, take power.)

In '90, Hillary Clinton faced a similar problem when she flirted with the idea of running for governor of Arkansas. Bill, determined to seek the presidency in '92, was weighing whether to run for another term as governor or to step down and seek the presidency as a private citizen.

Key to his decision was whether Hillary could take his place, both to keep the seat warm for him should he lose the presidential race and to stop any unwanted revelations from surfacing while he was off campaigning.

But the polls I took at the Clintons' behest found that voters saw Hillary merely as an extension of Bill, not as an independent political figure. Arkansans saw her possible candidacy for governor as an attempt to be a placeholder for her husband.

When I likened the public reaction to Hillary's candidacy to that of Alabama voters to Lurleen's years before, Hillary and Bill exploded in shock and indignation (more his than hers) at the metaphor; they even asked me to do a second poll to confirm the results.

Hillary thereupon began a 20-year effort to differentiate herself from Bill and craft an independent identity.

Now that project is at risk. Bill's intervention has become so overt, voluble, high-profile and independent that it calls into question the entire premise that Hillary is running for president as anything other than a figurehead.

The idea that you get "two for the price of one" was a misnomer in the '92 campaign when Bill first broached it. He was always the president. Yes, Hillary was his chief adviser in '93 and '94 (and again between '98 and '00). But in '95, '96 and '97, she acted merely as first lady, touring the world and promoting her book.

Until Bill began his active campaigning for Hillary, she benefited from the merger of their identities. Lacking much experience on her own (except for the healthcare debacle), she could expropriate his record to provide a basis for her candidacy. She could run promising an extension of his presidency, but in a new time with a new candidate at the top.

But now the merger is working against her. Voters are wondering for which Clinton they will be voting when they pull the lever.

Could it be that "two for the price of one" still misrepresents reality? Does Bill so dominate the stage that he'd overshadow his wife were she elected? As Bill campaigns all over all the time, Americans are wondering, Whose presidency will it be, anyway?

G47 said:   What is the truth?

That you will have to find for yourself through prayer.

oldguy said:

One that is big for me... Bill Clinton. Bill is campaigning like it was him running, not Hillary.

I believe that this is an end run to get Bill a forbidden third term. They tried to get Hillary elected Governor when Bill was running for President... but the voters saw through the sham. Hopefully the  national voters will do the same.

yeah, this is a good one

well, Bill is still a famous and a good looking guy, even after his presidency, so it would be a waste for Hillary not to use him. Yeah, Hillary try to run this campaign on her own, I almost guarantee she will lose.

I mean, really, back in Bill's affair when he was still the president, why you do think Hillary didn't propose a disvorce? She definitely would if she don't want to have the president sit herself.

As for the supreme court, I won't count on Rudy. I simple don't believe a moderate at best president will appoint a conservative judge. You guy saw the picture? He and Bloomburg match in the gay pride walk with the rainbow sign.

FireWing said:

Gerald47 said:

FireWing said:

 

Why?

 

Because the good doc has blinded you to the truth.

Are we not called as Christians to share the Truth-Gospel?  Why would you hesitate to do so?  Anyway Firewing, I'm not trying to put you on the spot.  Just seems that every time Dr. Walter Martin is brought to the forefront as pertains to Mormonism-LDS., he is bashed and condemned, and those that agree with him are also, and they had better change.  I'm sure if Dr. Martin was still with us he'd unashamedly defend his Apologetic position for the futherance of the Gospel of Christ.