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December 24, 2007 03:20 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Paul Won't Rule Out Run as Independent

Ron Paul, the Texas congressman stirring up the Republican presidential contest with his libertarian-leaning views and online fundraising prowess, left the door open Sunday to running as an independent, should he not win the Republican nomination.

Paul, who has railed against excessive federal spending, also defended his own earmarks to benefit his congressional district into spending bills, likening them to a "tax credit" for his constituents. He added that his position was consistent because he ultimately voted against the spending measures.

And he decried the Civil War, calling it a needless effort for which hundreds of thousands of Americans paid with their lives. He rejected that the war spelled the end to slavery in the United States, saying that the U.S. government could have simply bought the slaves from the Confederate States of America and freed them.

During a one-on-one interview on NBC's "Meet the Press," host Tim Russert challenged Paul particularly hard on the earmarks, saying that the congressman inserted them because he knew the bills would pass even with Paul voting no.

"When you stop taking earmarks or putting earmarks in ... the spending bills, then I think you'll be consistent," Russert said, one of his most direct criticisms of a candidate in recent memory.

Paul said that while the chance of his running as an independent was slim, "I deserve one wiggle now and then." He ran for president as the Libertarian Party candidate in 1988.

Paul also reviewed his no-government approach on a range of issues, including what he called the ill-advised involvement of the U.S. military in the Civil War.

Russert said, if it weren't for the Civil War, there'd still be slavery.

"Oh, come on," Paul replied. "Slavery was phased out in every other country in the world."

He continued, "You buy the slaves and release them. How much would that cost compared to killing 600,000 Americans and where it lingered for 100 years?"

More often than in the past, Paul seemed to soften his stance on some issues, such as getting rid of the FBI and CIA.

"I'm against the FBI spying on people like Martin Luther King," Paul said. The CIA is "involved in torture. I would abolish that."

But, he said, "I would not abolish all their functions."

Paul said he was convinced that Israel and many neoconservatives in the United States would like to commence bombing on Iran. He repeated his argument that a major reason for Islamic terrorism against the United States was the country's high-profile presence around the world, including in Saudi Arabia.

"We have to understand how we would react if some country did to us what we do to them," Paul said.

Paul liked President Bush to a "radical" in the conflict.

"I'm talking about the people who hijacked our policy," Paul said. "The president himself has changed the policy."

With the rise of the powerful corporations, the military industrial complex, the pharmaceutical industry and huge amounts of spending by Washington, Paul said the United States is moving toward a kind of "soft fascism."

 

Boy, could I have fun with this article! Tongue out

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December 24, 2007 03:30 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Ain't that the truth!!  He remains a moosetwit, doesn't he?  Honestly, there was a phrase we used to use back in junior high in the 60's that fit him to a tee --- "He's soft as a grape!"  And absolutely CLUELESS!!!




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December 24, 2007 03:33 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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I thought he said he would not run as an Independent a few months ago. Wishy-washy, isn't he.


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December 24, 2007 03:46 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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I wonder where he learned his history?  Where did he get the idea that the government of the South, the CSA, owned the slaves?  Slaves were owned by rich plantation owners, not the government.  I don't mean to be flippant here, but if elitists owned slaves today and he advised buying them from the owners by forcing the owners to sell (and they would have to), wouldn't that go against what he stands for with his desire to get the government out of our personal lives, not to mention property rights? Moosetwit indeed!

I see he's still blaming the U.S. first......  Undecided

Paul said he was convinced that Israel and many neoconservatives in the United States would like to commence bombing on Iran. He repeated his argument that a major reason for Islamic terrorism against the United States was the country's high-profile presence around the world, including in Saudi Arabia.

"We have to understand how we would react if some country did to us what we do to them," Paul said.

Typical Ron Paul.




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December 24, 2007 03:57 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Well, read it and weep! He's in the Rebublican camp and they're trying to hammer him. If he decides to run as an independant, Kiss Hitlery Hello. They have a chance, back his play or give the whitehouse to the dems.


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December 24, 2007 04:01 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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  Watching Bill Kristol tear him down on FNC today was a hoot!  He came to  the conclusion that Paul hates this country and everything it's done in the last two decades.  I'm sure I heard him call Paul a moosetwit........   Moose 


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"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." Sam Adams, terrorist and patriot, public enemy #1 OUR GRAVEST and most imminent threat is the U.S. Government and it's allies, Socialist Media and big business. I am a dedicated revolutionary. Oh yeah! Screw Hitlery and her minions.
December 24, 2007 05:26 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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All Ron Paul will do is take away votes from the Republican candidate.  He is not a Republican, but a communist liberal.  Who uses the Republican party to get elected. 
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December 24, 2007 05:47 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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MrT said: I thought he said he would not run as an Independent a few months ago. Wishy-washy, isn't he.

 

Liar is more like it.  I've heard him say he wouldn't run as an Independent and then 99.9 percent what is it now?  He's doing exactly what he accuses the rest of doing.  Hypocrite for Oval Office Type.  HOOT for short.  Do we want a HOOTER in the White House?


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December 24, 2007 05:56 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Neo-facist is what he's not.

Neo-fascism is a post-World War II ideology that includes significant elements of fascism. The term  Neo-fascism usually includes nationalism, nativism, anti-communism, and opposition to the parliamentary system and liberal democracy. Allegations that a group is neo-fascist may be hotly contested, especially if the term is used as a politic epithet. Some post-World War II regimes have been described as neo-fascist due to their authoritarian nature, and sometimes due to their fascination for fascist ideology and rituals.




"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." Sam Adams, terrorist and patriot, public enemy #1 OUR GRAVEST and most imminent threat is the U.S. Government and it's allies, Socialist Media and big business. I am a dedicated revolutionary. Oh yeah! Screw Hitlery and her minions.
December 24, 2007 06:01 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Get Ron Paul in the White House this country will be flooded with illegals and terrorist.   If RP is elected forget 911 will get hit so many times.  It will be a terrorist dream come true.  There is only one true Republican that will not back down and that is Fred Thompson.  We want safety in the USA.

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December 24, 2007 06:06 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Okay two and that is Hunter. The rest are liberals with an R in front their name.
December 24, 2007 06:06 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Well, read it and weep! He's in the Rebublican camp and they're trying to hammer him. If he decides to run as an independant, Kiss Hitlery Hello. They have a chance, back his play or give the whitehouse to the dems.

He's only in the republican camp because he couldn't possibly win as a libertarian in his district.  If he decides to run as an independent, it won't affect the election at all.  He doesn't have the support to swing it to or from anyone on either side.  Your scare tactics won't work...they don't hold water.




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December 24, 2007 06:09 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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You don't like it ICY then start postin on topic and not off.  Moderator


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December 24, 2007 06:10 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Liar is more like it.  I've heard him say he wouldn't run as an Independent and then 99.9 percent what is it now?  He's doing exactly what he accuses the rest of doing.  Hypocrite for Oval Office Type.  HOOT for short.  Do we want a HOOTER in the White House?

Probably because he knows he doesn't have a prayer to win the nomination and his supporters have him convinced he's Thomas Jefferson reincarnated.  He's obviously a mental case.


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December 24, 2007 06:11 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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I wonder where he learned his history?  Where did he get the idea that the government of the South, the CSA, owned the slaves? 

He obviously didn't learn history at all if he thinks the civil war was about slavery!




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December 24, 2007 06:29 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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LOL, I started to say that Patsy but I was afraid of starting a Civil War thread.  The war was fought over state's rights (the South's), economics, etc.   There were wealthy landowners in the North that owned slaves.  Heck, there was even a wealthy freed black man that owned slaves; can't remember his name.  Most Southerners were too poor to own slaves.  It was the wealthy elite class that owned them.  The South wanted to secede from the Union and the North couldn't allow that.  The war was fought to preserve the Union.  The South had too many good sea ports and we had too many manufactured goods that the North and the rest of the country needed.  At the time before the Civil War, slavery was not illegal, North or South.  Splitting the country by secession by the South would have crippled the country and the economy.  Slavery was the excuse not the cause. 

Didn't mean to get off topic but this shows how ignorant RP really is.  He would be dangerous to have as President.

I would think that as old as RP is that he would know Civil War history. Laughing




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December 24, 2007 06:34 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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I would think that as old as RP is that he would know Civil War history. Laughing'

Exactly.  It was current events for him, wasn't it?  I should correct myself also and say War Between the States....it was NOT a civil war.  Neither faction was trying to overthrow the other.




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