Tom Tancredo recently wrote a challenge to Ron Paul regarding an Open Letter to Hispanics written by Abelardo Arias on behalf of Ron Paul. He's seeking clarification as to whether this is what Ron Paul really believes.
This is the quote from the letter by Arias I think needs the most clarification:
We Hispanics are proud of our kaleidoscope of national cultures ranging from Chile to Puerto Rico, from Mexico to Costa Rica. We hold onto our beautiful traditions. They are alive and well in our language, our cuisines, our music and our history. Hispanics balk at any attempt by the majority to assimilate us or to only speak English because we're in someone else's country. Ron Paul's principles in action demonstrate that he would never support a policy that Hispanics in America need to do as Americans do.
"Had the people, during the Revolution, had a suspicion of any attempt to war against Christianity, that Revolution would have been strangled in its cradle... In this age, there can be no substitute for Christianity... That was the religion of the founders of the republic and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants." Charles Carrol, signer of Declaration of Independence, framer of the Bill of Rights, delegate to the Constitutional Convention, U.S. Senator
The letter speaks for itself. This is a blatent attempt to smear, when smearing other candidates is not allowed on this site. Hurrah for FREEDOM, down with those who are determined to rid us of our freedom.
I hope the letter you refer to brings in all the legal immigrant vote to Ron Paul, they just may have come here for freedom too. I personally do not hate hispanics, just the illegal ones and their raw drain on our benefits. If they come here to join our culture and assimilate, they are added strength, if not, I don't welcome them here. Contributing to the greater good rather than depleating our resources is the difference for me.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." Sam Adams, terrorist and patriot, public enemy #1 OUR GRAVEST and most imminent threat is the U.S. Government and it's allies, Socialist Media and big business. I am a dedicated revolutionary. Oh yeah! Screw Hitlery and her minions.
IcyPeaceMaker, you are right that legal immigrants who come here and assimilate are a great strength. Having respect for our culture is important. I'm just wondering why the letter says Hispanics balk at our attempt to have them assimilate and speak English, our predominant language. I also am wondering if the letter by Arias really characterizes Ron Paul's beliefs on this subject. It was supposedly written on his behalf.
Also, I'm not sure which letter you're referring to as a blatant attempt to smear. However, I was under the impression that one could discuss and talk about the candidates even if it could be construed as negative as long as it is not on their official thread.
And, Patsy, yes I am very interested to see if RP responds to it.
"Had the people, during the Revolution, had a suspicion of any attempt to war against Christianity, that Revolution would have been strangled in its cradle... In this age, there can be no substitute for Christianity... That was the religion of the founders of the republic and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants." Charles Carrol, signer of Declaration of Independence, framer of the Bill of Rights, delegate to the Constitutional Convention, U.S. Senator
The letter speaks for itself. This is a blatent attempt to smear, when smearing other candidates is not allowed on this site. Hurrah for FREEDOM, down with those who are determined to rid us of our freedom.
I hope the letter you refer to brings in all the legal immigrant vote to Ron Paul, they just may have come here for freedom too. I personally do not hate hispanics, just the illegal ones and their raw drain on our benefits. If they come here to join our culture and assimilate, they are added strength, if not, I don't welcome them here. Contributing to the greater good rather than depleating our resources is the difference for me.
Quit lying ICY PeaceMaker. Smearing other candidates (as you call it) has never been forbidden on FS except on the Official Candidates Threads. You know this full well as you have been smearing non Ron Paul candidates since you came to FS, so don't go there. Consider this a stern warning from an Official Moderator. Cease and desist right now.
"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams
Tom Tancredo recently wrote a challenge to Ron Paul regarding an Open Letter to Hispanics written by Abelardo Arias on behalf of Ron Paul. He's seeking clarification as to whether this is what Ron Paul really believes.
This is the quote from the letter by Arias I think needs the most clarification:
We Hispanics are proud of our kaleidoscope of national cultures ranging from Chile to Puerto Rico, from Mexico to Costa Rica. We hold onto our beautiful traditions. They are alive and well in our language, our cuisines, our music and our history. Hispanics balk at any attempt by the majority to assimilate us or to only speak English because we're in someone else's country. Ron Paul's principles in action demonstrate that he would never support a policy that Hispanics in America need to do as Americans do.
Yea I dont think Paul belives that at all... I HAVE NEVER HEARD HIM SAY ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not." Thomas Jefferson Third President of the United States "The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution." Thomas Jefferson Third President of the United States Ron Paul 2008 Hope for America
Everyone that supports Ron Paul need to educate themselves beyond reading his website. He has said before that he would not support the deportation of illegals. its already been said. Its not our fault that he is trying to change his position because every candidate realizes its very important.
Everytime someone points out something bad about Paul the typical response is, well look at his web site it dosn't say that so it must not be true.
Please be intelectually honest here. The majority of people on this site are samrt people. Do try and tell me that you all believe that a candidates website will have their bad choices or voting records, or do you. You need to seriously research off his web site.
Everyone that supports Ron Paul need to educate themselves beyond reading his website. He has said before that he would not support the deportation of illegals. its already been said. Its not our fault that he is trying to change his position because every candidate realizes its very important.
Everytime someone points out something bad about Paul the typical response is, well look at his web site it dosn't say that so it must not be true.
Please be intelectually honest here. The majority of people on this site are samrt people. Do try and tell me that you all believe that a candidates website will have their bad choices or voting records, or do you. You need to seriously research off his web site.
Darren77th I do appreciate your posts. Thanks for posting them! I seem to remember you were in S. California I grew up in the Bay Area I wonder what it's like 20 years later.
"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams
Great memory you have. I did grown up in Bay Area, but have been her in So Cal for the past 14 years. I have not been back home for about 4 years now. I'm scared to go back. I have a bad feeling its turing into another LA (habla espanol. I would rather remember it the way it was.
This letter was supposed to be someone writing on Paul's behalf but it really doesn't sound anything like Paul or any statement he would make. WEIRD, I will call RP HQ tonight to try to get an explanition of it.
Note: I called & left a message, I will try again Friday. Since this person wrote it for Paul, it sounds more like this Alberto guys ideas more than Paul's. I wouldn't be too happy if this was approved by Paul. I need an explanation of it. Though I believe his stances are strong, I think everyone coming to this country needs to assimilate to be American. This won't change my vote though I don't agree with the letter at all.
Im not so sure he will answer this.Ron Paul is gaining in strength and money,so it would follow that a supposed supporter would put something like this out to try to turn Americans against him.Maybe he will answer this though.He told Glenn Beck that he had no idea who these people are that were threatening Glenn and his family.He cannot be held responsible for what some nut will say on his supposed behalf.Hopefully we will learn who this person is.
I agree with Ron Paul on these issues. He does not think that people that come to this country shouldn't asimulate... He has some very strong ideas about who should be here and who shouldn't...
Ron Paul says:
Border Security and Immigration Reform
The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:
Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.
we Hispanics have learned from years of discrimination and hardship, it is not what makes us different that matters but our united desire for community, values and freedom. Ron Paul is the man who will best represent the interests of Hispanics, in preserving our individual liberties and ensuring peace and prosperity for our children and our children's children.
HISPANICS IN AMERICA
Hispanics have endured oppression and infringement of human rights since the European powers came to Latinize our native cultures with slavery, feudalism and state-sponsored religion. Our history for centuries has been a long, arduous journey to self-determination and liberty. We should stay true to that common vision and purpose.
IMMIGRATION
Ron Paul does not favor amnesty for illegal immigrants. This was the one issue I did not agree with. Ron Paul represents the 14th Congressional District of Texas, a border state with many problems. As a result of these problems we have seen overt racism from people like the Minutemen and other self-armed vigilantes who patrol the border.
Although I personally support amnesty as an emergency measure to forgive the hard-working taxpayers who live in our country illegally, I can still fully support Ron Paul as a man who will defend the rights and liberties of men, women and children who enter this country for a better life. That is after all, why we Hispanics have come to America and have so wonderfully contributed to the melting pot.
LIBERTIES & RIGHTS
We Hispanics are proud of our kaleidoscope of national cultures ranging from Chile to Puerto Rico, from Mexico to Costa Rica. We hold onto our beautiful traditions. They are alive and well in our language, our cuisines, our music and our history. Hispanics balk at any attempt by the majority to assimilate us or to only speak English because we're in someone else's country. Ron Paul's principles in action demonstrate that he would never support a policy that Hispanics in America need to do as Americans do.
There are many in the Republican Party today who feel that way about Hispanics. I consider this only a milder form of racism and xenophobia. Hispanics have already seen Ron Paul commit himself to positions of individual liberty, respect for human life and reduction in government power. Ron Paul is a man who deserves to sit in the Oval Office because he respects our cherished Bill of Rights more than any other elected federal politician.
ECONOMY
What is the number one problem plaguing Hispanics today? Economic access.
Hispanic teenagers drop out of school at a higher rate than other races and fall into vicious cycles of poverty and crime. Our rapid rise in population rates are not, by and large, in line with our noble desire to become self-sufficient, entrepreneurial or pillars in our society. There is great hope, however. Many Hispanics work hard for a better solution. Many have taken risks despite the odds to open up our own businesses and charities and push past the established racism in professional circles and market policies.
How would a Ron Paul presidency help? Ron Paul would end government-subsidizing of huge corporations that destroy and stifle smaller competitors, especially Hispanic-owned businesses. He would fight for a sound money policy to stop the inflation rate that acts as a nefarious hidden tax on our hard-earned dollars. Ron Paul would end government meddling in higher education tuition and policies that cost Hispanics a small fortune to seek a degree and then saddles young Hispanics with unfair debts. He would reform welfare far better and more effectively than Bill Clinton ever did and help people to become self-sufficient and prosperous.
CONCLUSION
Do Hispanics deserve to live the American Dream? Of course we do. Our ancestors roamed over these ancient grounds centuries ago looking for fertile lands and new hopes. As natives streamed over North America to the Southern Hemisphere and the exotic Caribbean islands, they brought their families, their children and their futures with them. Now Hispanics have returned to this primitive land and have become the fastest growing minority in the United States. Our voices can no longer be silenced by those who think we must be quiet just to keep cleaning their bathrooms and picking their fruits on dusty ranches.
"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams
Ron Paul has nothing that he should have to answer for , his beliefs are clearly stated on his web site.
To change the direction of this country, you must change the people who you have entrusted. Do not stand by and let others tell you what is good for your country. Vote these carpet baggers out of office.
Bassin Boggs said: Ron Paul has nothing that he should have to answer for , his beliefs are clearly stated on his web site.
like I said before, to believe any cadidate just because they say so on their web site is not very informed. A candidate is not going to give any information that is bad. They are trying to get elected.
It would be like someone applying for a job saying: Yes I really want this job, but I'm late all the time and I call in sick a lot. You don't tell them the truth, you tell them what yopu think you want to hear.
You want to know the truth you have to poke around out side the web site to get the true beliefs. What someone can't change is their previous statements and voting record.
Ron Paul is a lying politician just like all the rest of them, you never know where they stand until after they are elected and then it is too late to do anything about it.
TEXAS: One of the few states that can secede from the Union.
blaze77535 said: Ron Paul is a lying politician just like all the rest of them, you never know where they stand until after they are elected and then it is too late to do anything about it.
I respectfully disagree, Paul is the ONLY truthful candidate in the race.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." Sam Adams, terrorist and patriot, public enemy #1 OUR GRAVEST and most imminent threat is the U.S. Government and it's allies, Socialist Media and big business. I am a dedicated revolutionary. Oh yeah! Screw Hitlery and her minions.
Ron Paul calls Huckabee a facist. Disgusting and dispicable people would only do that. And either Ron Paul is a LIAR or should go back to school and learn literature a little better.
Huckabee admaker: Cross imagery 'accidental.' Paul: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
Asked about Republican rival Mike Huckabee's Christmas-themed ad, which we wrote about yesterday and has attracted attention in part because of the image of a cross that many see hovering over Huckabee's shoulder, GOP presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul said this morning on FOX & Friends that:
"It reminds me of what Sinclair Lewis once said. He says, 'when fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross.' Now I don't know whether that's a fair assessment or not, but you wonder about using a cross, like he is the only Christian or implying that subtly. So, I don't think I would ever use anything like that." (Fox has put video from some of the interview here. To see Paul talking about the Huckabee ad, though, you need to check this clip at YouTube.)
Update at 1:55 p.m. ET: Huckabee said today that the country must be in trouble if it's politically incorrect to wish people "Merry Christmas," the Associated Press reports.
Update at 6:05 p.m. ET: Huckabee says there was a bookshelf behind him, not a window. In an Associated Press account, he said it was just a bookshelf, not a cross, but added. "I will confess this: If you play the spot backwards it says, 'Paul is dead. Paul is dead. " As the wire service notes: "He was joking about the Beatles' recording of The White Album and the urban legend that if a portion of the album is played backwards, the words 'Paul is dead' is heard, a reference to the very much alive Paul McCartney."
Update at 6:20 p.m. ET: Further from Bob Wickers, Huckabee's media consultant, who made the ad. Wickers tells Jill that Huckabee was sitting in front of a built-in cabinet and the media team was unaware of "this whole cross imagery." He called it "absolutely accidental."
Paul's linking of Huckabee's ad to fascism is certainly an attention-getter.
So too is a presidential contender quoting Sinclair Lewis, winner of the 1930 Nobel Prize in Literature and author of books including Babbit, Main Street and Elmer Gantry. That doesn't happen too often.
Out of curiosity, we did some checking to see if Lewis did actually say or write what Paul attributed to him.
The answer:
According to the executive director of The Sinclair Lewis Society, Illinois State University English Department associate dean Sally Parry, "it sounds like something Sinclair Lewis might have said or written ... but we've never been able to attribute it to him." We spoke to her by telephone this morning.
After the conversation, Parry sent us an e-mail with passages from two books Lewis wrote that at least hint at the words Paul attributed to him.
• From It Can't Happen Here: "But he saw too that in America the struggle was befogged by the fact that the worst Fascists were they who disowned the word 'Fascism' and preached enslavement to Capitalism under the style of Constitutional and Traditional Native American Liberty."
• From Gideon Planish: "I just wish people wouldn't quote Lincoln or the Bible, or hang out the flag or the cross, to cover up something that belongs more to the bank-book and the three golden balls."
According to Parry, the Lewis Society's website "must get a query about this (quote) every week." She doesn't know how it originally came to be attributed to Lewis.
Update at 12:15 p.m. ET. The Huckabee campaign comments on the cross image:
Jill is in Des Moines today and spoke with Huckabee's Iowa director, Eric Woolson, about whether the cross that appears behind Huckabee in the ad was put there intentionally.
"It's the window frame in the background," Woolson said. "Once you've got it in your head that it's a cross, it's a cross." He said he didn't know if it was deliberate or not. "People are free to view the ad anyway that they'd like to view the ad."
"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams
{Ron Paul's principles in action demonstrate that he would never support a policy that Hispanics in America need to do as Americans do. }
This part of Arias' statement, I think, makes it clear that the illegals do not want to become Americans, legally or otherwise. I have no objection to any aliens who want to better themselves and their families by coming here and assimilating; but by this assimilation that means "becoming" American, language, customs and all, and doing so legally.
Many believe our country is at a crossroads. If you don’t happen to believe it let’s take just a peek at what is going on.
We are faced with:
* War in Irag.
* War in Afghanistan.
*Iranian Nuclear Weapons development
*staggering National Debt.
*invasion by illegal immigrants
*national leaders out of touch with the people.
*treaties that are giving away our nations sovereignty.
Our elected officials Republican or Democrat cannot seem to agree on anything. They give lip service to spending control in the 30 second sound bites. They support the war and play political games with the funding. Pass legislation to build a border fence and remove the funding!
But there is one thing they are totally committed to… spending your tax dollars without any control or oversight. I am talking about earmark or ‘PORK BARREL’ spending.
The Congressional Leadership delayed funding for our troops and the border fence until the last possible minute and then approved money for our troops and removed money for the border fence.
Faced with the problems noted above our Congressmen & women did have the time to work on thousands of earmark bills that they inserted into the Omnibus Spending Bill at the last minute to avoid debate or removal.
Citizens Against Government Waste analyzed the spending bill and has a list on it’s website ( www.cagw.org ). I clicked on the button to take a look and started making some notes using $1,000,000 as a filter and in the firstfew pages discovered was set too low!
Here are just a few of the projects our government is spending your tax dollars on without any oversight or debate:
These are just a few to show how individual Congressmen are sticking their hands into our pockets.
Many of the Presidential Candidates are planning on spending more to fix programs in place. Have you seen Hillary’s Christmas Ad?
This last spending spree may be the act that galvanizes moderates in both parties to the ‘Paul Revolution’. Paul’s position on eliminating the Income Tax and IRS may not be a bad idea.
This was supposed to be a system with checks and balances. I don’t see any balance. What I see in Congress is obstructionism that is hurting our country and giving dishonest politicians the ability to come under the cover of darkness and steal our tax dollars for their own purposes!
Oldguy New Jersey: McCain courting LaRaza and is back to Comprehensive Immigration Reform. Care to join me in a third party push? What's to lose? Poke-A-Party!