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December 13, 2007 10:28 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Ron Woodard
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 EIGHT COUNTERPOINTS TO MARTIN LANCASTER’S POINTS ABOUT ILLEGAL ALIENS ATTENDING NORTH CAROLINA COMMUNITY COLLEGES 1-     Some of the illegal aliens being considered for admission to our NC Community Colleges were brought to America as dependents by their illegal alien parents.  However, anyone old enough to attend Community College can now return to their host Country as an adult and acquire a post-secondary education there.  To continue to provide non-emergency benefits and privileges to illegal aliens will only serve to encourage more illegal immigration to America.  It is also unfair to would-be legal immigrants who are currently standing in line to come to America legally and are abiding by the rule of law.  2-     It has been suggested that some of the illegal aliens who came to America as dependents of illegal alien parents and have spent some time in our public schools, should now be allowed to enroll in our UNC Universities and NC Community Colleges.  Based on the Supreme Court’s Plyler v. Doe decision in 1982, dependents of illegal aliens can attend public schools in grades K-12.  The Court did this only because the dependents were of young age.  Many jurists have questioned the true legality of the decision.  However, the 1982 ruling should not be obfuscated to suggest this benefit applies to those who are now adults and can return to their host country for an education.  Applying to a university or college is a selection process, and often there are more qualified students than openings.  A qualified American student should not be disenfranchised by losing his or her chance to achieve higher education due to our State permitting someone illegally in our Country to attend college.  One might ask the question, who will be the real victim?3-     The insinuation is an illegal alien attending a NC Community College will pay an out-of-state tuition rate, possibly greater than the cost of services, thereby the illegal alien will actually make money for the State.  I suppose there is some merit in this statement, given the negative impact the typical illegal alien has on our governmental and societal cost, so maybe we could recoup some of our earlier loss?  But a deeper look into the total capital and operational outlays of a Community College would suggest the out-of-state rate doesn’t really cover “all” costs for a college education.  Let’s understand the real intent of those pressing for the admission of illegal aliens in our Community Colleges at out-of-state rates is to ultimately give them in-state tuition rates, as former Governor Jim Hunt and other Democratic leaders have attempted to do.4-     Another story line we are hearing is the old and tired one about Hispanics facing opposition because they are the latest wave of immigrants.  The undertone is to purport Hispanics, as an ethnic group, are being discriminated against.  But the real issue is simply legal versus illegal immigration.  In the specific case of Hispanics/Latinos, more of their ethnic group is allowed into America as legal immigrants each year than any other ethnic group.  Where is the discrimination?5-     It is implied that since illegal aliens are working in North Carolina in large numbers in violation of federal law, we must accept this and just provide benefits and privileges to them as if they were citizens.  Actually our government is beginning to address the problem of illegal immigration, and we will have our laws enforced.  It is against the law for an illegal alien to work in America.  And why would our State provide an illegal alien the skills to take a good job away from an American citizen?6-     An additional threat we hear is the idea of a large and unruly mass of illegal aliens who may feel unloved by citizens and later become angry.  The example is often the situation currently in France with their large illegal alien population.  I suppose we should heed this warning and step-up our efforts to enforce our immigration laws by controlling our borders, denying driver’s licenses and other privileges to illegals, fine employers who hire them, implement the 287g program to engage local law enforcement, and then most illegals will self-deport and our problem will go away.  To pander to illegal aliens will only encourage more illegal immigration, as evidenced by observing the result of a lack of attention to this matter over the last twenty years.7-     Probably the weakest intellectual response by the other side to gratify illegal aliens is the notion that illegal aliens benefit America, as it relates to the global economy.  Why would the knowledge-based economy of America want large numbers of poorly educated and low-skilled illegal aliens to come across our borders?  So we would then have to build more student space in our NC Community Colleges to educate them here to take jobs away from legal resident North Carolinians?8-     The administration of our NC Community College System says there are only 340 illegal aliens enrolled out of a total of 271,000 students.  Martin Lancaster, the former head of the NC Community College System said, “this is hardly the inundation of our colleges”.  Well, if there are only 340 illegals in our Community College System, why is he so worried about removing them for being in our Country illegally?  I expect the real truth is the administration doesn’t honestly know how many illegal aliens are in our Community College System.  And as noted earlier, the intent of some of the leaders is to in fact create conditions to make it easier for more and more illegal aliens to attend.  This is not in the best interest of the citizens of North Carolina.  Our state should be part of the solution, not part of the problem of illegal immigration in America.
December 14, 2007 01:15 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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 Attorney General Roy Copper9001 Mail Service Center
Raleigh, NC 27699-9001 Re.: Illegal Aliens Attending College I’m a father of collage age daughters and believe illegal aliens do not have the “right” to attend college. I read about Judge Payne’s ruling and wonder if it can be applied to this situation.   The second rejection by the Federal Court on the lawsuit against Oklahoma's HB 1804. This is an important decision! Judge Payne “recognizes a new, and narrow, prudential limitation on standing” as it applies to ILLEGAL aliens. (Read pages 14 through 16 of the decision: http://www.oneoldvet.com/files/oklahoma.pdf )

Judge Payne states: “This Court is convinced that the proper remedy for the injuries alleged by the remaining Plaintiffs—all of whom are in willing violation of federal immigration law—is not judicial intervention, rather, it is simple compliance with federal immigration law. Therefore, the Court must prudentially decline to recognize standing on the part of these plaintiffs.“

Judge Payne concludes with this important ruling on “standing”; “The Court, therefore, recognizes a new, and narrow, prudential limitation on standing. An illegal alien, in willful violation of federal immigration law, is without standing to challenge the constitutionality of a state law, when compliance with federal law would absolve the illegal alien’s constitutional dilemma—particularly when the challenged state law was enacted to discourage violation of the federal immigration law. In recognizing this narrow prudential limitation on standing, the Court does not shirk its responsibility to pass on the constitutionality of a law when properly called to do so, the Court just requires that the call come from a plaintiff not in unabashed violation of federal law."
— One Old Veteran
http://oneoldvet.com/?p=4100 The state of NC is wrestling with the action of admitting illegal aliens to college. Might not the illegal aliens in NC have the same “standing” as illegal aliens in OK ? All of them are in willful violation of federal immigration law.  Consequently, they have no constitutional right to attend college.  Legal “out of state” and legal international students can certainly attend college, but illegal aliens are willfully violating out federal laws. The state of NC doesn’t have the authority to overthrow the federal govt’s authority and give rights to illegal aliens. Therefore I believe illegal aliens must NOT be given the “right” to attend college. Respectfully,  

December 14, 2007 01:24 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Finally there is a judge with some commonsense.  Oh if only the rest of the judges and our senators and representatives had this much of the same.
December 14, 2007 01:35 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Conservative Madman said:

Ron Woodard
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NC LISTEN
www.nclisten.com

This is where we must insist the state goverment on all levels reclaim powers to protect its citizens.  THE BEST EXCUSE FOR THIS:  LACK OF ENFORCEMENT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.  THERE EXIST LAWS ON THE BOOKS TO REMEDY ALL OF THIS COST TO AMERICAN TAXPAYERS.  THE FEDERAL HAS FAILED.  NOW THE STATES MUST TAKE POWER BACK TO PROTECT ITS CITIZENS.

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