Creation scientist debunks NOVA documentary on evolution

Pete Chagnon OneNewsNow.comNovember 28, 2007

A recent documentary aired on public television, claiming that evolution is science and there is no place for creationism, has one prominent scientist saying the opposite is true.

 

are those evolutionists ever going to stop the nonsense??

"and further stated that intelligent design is not science"

Yeah, like evolution is real science - a dog from a rock millions of years ago. NOw, do they KNOW that, or do they just BELIEVE that? They have to believe it is true and force others to do so without question. IS it really what we should do in science? forceful believe, or you are out? There is only one reason they don't take creation into consideration - they don't want to.

Schools teach different kinds of political forms and ideologies, then why not teach different theories of the origin of universe and life, huh? Isn't school supposed to teach the kids how to think, not what to think? I mean, unless there is one particular theory that will touch their nerve so much that they want to kick it out fast.

If we are really "evolved" from monkey, there should be tons of cases like this and in between forms, alive, not just in fossil. It would be so much that you can found some on your back yard, don't need the scientists to bother and spend million of dollars.

Come on, stop insulting God's wisdom already!

kmcheng said:

are those evolutionists ever going to stop the nonsense??

"and further stated that intelligent design is not science"

Yeah, like evolution is real science - a dog from a rock millions of years ago. NOw, do they KNOW that, or do they just BELIEVE that? They have to believe it is true and force others to do so without question. IS it really what we should do in science? forceful believe, or you are out? There is only one reason they don't take creation into consideration - they don't want to.

Schools teach different kinds of political forms and ideologies, then why not teach different theories of the origin of universe and life, huh? Isn't school supposed to teach the kids how to think, not what to think? I mean, unless there is one particular theory that will touch their nerve so much that they want to kick it out fast.

If we are really "evolved" from monkey, there should be tons of cases like this and in between forms, alive, not just in fossil. It would be so much that you can found some on your back yard, don't need the scientists to bother and spend million of dollars.

Come on, stop insulting God's wisdom already!

 

What is wrong with the churches teaching it then??  If the "believers" truely want their children to learn the ideologies of God, then it is what they are in BUSINESS for, so, have them have classes in the evenings and YOU PARENTS make sure your kids are there!  I don't want my kids learning Bible at a taxpayer supported school!  It seems to me like the "believers" want the schools to teach the kids all the religion THEY believe in, and not the religion they don't believe in, ie Muslim, Buddist etc because they are too lazy to take their kids down to their churches a couple nites a week for a study group!

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Or, what is wrong with the schools teaching it? Hey, dude, don't act so surpprised by schools teaching bible and God. This is what schools used to do UNTIL some genius judge outlawed prayer and bible in schools in the 60's.

What's the result? Generations afterward don't know God anymore. And who needs God anyway, since all things are "evolved" from nothing. 

You know, kmcheng, I am rather fond of the answer Einstein gave when asked about evolution v. creationism.  He said something like, "the question is NOT did God create the universe....the question is, did he have a CHOICE in creating it."  And who knows what the "date" was when he did it....who knows what a "day" was back then?  It's pretty obvious the earth is millions of years old, and it's pretty obvious it's creation wasn't an accident. 

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Patsy said: You know, kmcheng, I am rather fond of the answer Einstein gave when asked about evolution v. creationism. He said something like, "the question is NOT did God create the universe....the question is, did he have a CHOICE in creating it." And who knows what the "date" was when he did it....who knows what a "day" was back then? It's pretty obvious the earth is millions of years old, and it's pretty obvious it's creation wasn't an accident.

 

None of us can doubt that Einstein was a brilliant physicist, and through his insights into physics we've made a step into the future that until he came along that door was closed. Yet ultimately, and with humility I'm sure Dr. Einstein would have had no problems subjugating his intellect to the infinitely superior intellect of our Creator who bestows upon us in His time just what will be revealed. We're not all going to agree 100% on everything, which just may be why we seek and delve into things that may have otherwise been passively dismissed. Have you ever wondered if you were suddenly abandoned on a planet like earth with just the clothing you had on and maybe 3 or 4 others just how long it would take, and just how you could duplicate the technology you were taken from. Do we all inherently possess the knowledge to even do so? I think not. Yet our Creator does. So it's His will that we should be seeking. What are the requirements for knowing His will? I read in the New Testament yesterday that Christ went off on His own and prayed all night. Can any of us recall when we prayed ALL NIGHT? Knowing He was God's son why would He even need to do so? That question is not asked irreverently.

Sure I can recall praying all night.  Catholics are big on novenas and prayer vigils.  Especially around Easter time.  I've done it on my own as well when a loved one was in the hospital is serious condition, etc.  I don't doubt for a minute that the intelligence of man stems from God.  That is, sure man invented computers, space technology, etc.  But who allowed that knowledge to be gained?  Great advances have been made in medicine.  Who planted the ideas for some of the procedures and inventions, etc. if not God.  Who guided those inventors, etc. on what to do, how to do it, etc. 

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It's little wonder why we are 25th amongst nations in math and science.  For the rest of the civilized world, evolution is settled theory.

DEAR MARIJAM: That's because most of the rest of the world is composed of ignorant, socialist- government-worshiping non-thinkers. We are low on the totem pole of real education because our educrats have planned it that way for decades, starting with the crazy John Dewey and the sinister John D. Rockefeller, Sr. Highly educated people are harder to control and manipulate than the cattle that come out of our government schools today. The rest of the world, dear marijam, is mosty pagan, convinced of the continuing improvement and "upward reach" of mankind, when just the opposite is true. People who accept "evolution" as an established fact seem to forget that it has always been labeled a "theory". There are just as many scientists and biologists who reject "the theory of evolution" as there are those who support it. I know there are sincere Christians who grudgingly support the TOE, because they've been unable or unwilling to investigate for themselves, and often are afraid of being ridiculed by "those who know better", and who smirk behind their backs, for fear of being labeled "A Bible believeer", or "a Christian fundamentalist", etc. Evolutionists complain that people who reject their "theory" are ignorant, prefering to live in darkness. Creationists, however, live in the light of God's creation, and in the faith that he spoke the universe into existence, out of nothingness. So please explain, my friend, how "evolution" began after the "big bang", or whatever theory you believe in--or to put it more directly, how LIFE began. And don't give me the green slime and lightning bolt nonsense. If you believe that, you have a lot more faith than I do.

oldone70 said: DEAR MARIJAM: That's because most of the rest of the world is composed of ignorant, socialist- government-worshiping non-thinkers. We are low on the totem pole of real education because our educrats have planned it that way for decades, starting with the crazy John Dewey and the sinister John D. Rockefeller, Sr. Highly educated people are harder to control and manipulate than the cattle that come out of our government schools today. The rest of the world, dear marijam, is mosty pagan, convinced of the continuing improvement and "upward reach" of mankind, when just the opposite is true. People who accept "evolution" as an established fact seem to forget that it has always been labeled a "theory". There are just as many scientists and biologists who reject "the theory of evolution" as there are those who support it. I know there are sincere Christians who grudgingly support the TOE, because they've been unable or unwilling to investigate for themselves, and often are afraid of being ridiculed by "those who know better", and who smirk behind their backs, for fear of being labeled "A Bible believeer", or "a Christian fundamentalist", etc. Evolutionists complain that people who reject their "theory" are ignorant, prefering to live in darkness. Creationists, however, live in the light of God's creation, and in the faith that he spoke the universe into existence, out of nothingness. So please explain, my friend, how "evolution" began after the "big bang", or whatever theory you believe in--or to put it more directly, how LIFE began. And don't give me the green slime and lightning bolt nonsense. If you believe that, you have a lot more faith than I do.

 

Darwin was raised in a Christian family and rejected Christianity because he couldn't see how a loving God could condemn people to an eternity of hellfire and damnation. So, he became an atheist, and probably due to a rebellious nature, and his misunderstanding of Christianity.  Yet later in his life as he began to see the wonders of creation, and it's wonderful design, he changed his position to that of agnostic.  He wanted more proof.  Had he lived long enough, and maybe unknow to us in his own mind he did make the ultimate leap of faith, the last and most important step in "evolution?", that final rung of natural selection, a decision for God and His Son Christ.  I believe had he lived longer we would have seen writings to that effect and his embrace of the Christian faith.  You see, he was "evolving" in that direction.  Too bad many atheistic scientists don't see this fact.  That Christ came to fulfill the law and that the ultimate evolutionary step is to accept Him as the Messiah and "Be Born Again."  

"who knows what a "day" was back then? It's pretty obvious the earth is millions of years old"

Well, the bible said it is 6 days creation, then I guess it is a 6 days creation. What can be more clear on this? Don't give me this "may be a day really means million of years" crap. You want to tell me may be yesterday may not really a day, it is a million year? So may be anyone one would be at least a million old...

It is obvious earth is millions of years old? How? Don't give me those fossel stuffs, the only thing you know about those thing is they are dead already.

God does have a choice of how to create the world, but since He is perfect, I don't think His creation would be anything less then perfect (only the sin afterward destroy it), which would be insult to His power and wisdom. Remember, creation reflect God's glory, so it certain won't be anything less than perfect. It certain doesn't need the beings to "evolve" to human by suffering and death.

For those who still believe in evolution, and even think that God has something to do with it, is a DIRECT insult to God's power and wisdom, and don't really understand the whole theory behind evolution. I really recommend you to do some serious research on the ideology behind evolution, despite those evolutionists' propaganda. You will see how stupid evolution is, how cruel it is and a huge waste of life.

And don't say I am imposing anything to you. It is what it is, is it not what it is not.

One of the best recent books I've read on the evil of the "theory of evolution" is titled: EVOLUTION'S FATAL FRUIT--HOW DARWIN'S TREE OF LIFE BROUGHT DEATH TO MILLIONS, BY TOM DE ROSA. It was published in 2006 by Coral Ridge Ministries. It comes with a video or dvd, and is in paperback. I'd strongly recommend buying it. Contact Coral Ridge Ministries, 800-988-7884, or www.coralridge.org. De Rosa gives his readeers a close look at Darwin and the grim consequences to which his theory has led. Darwin was a Cambridge divinity graduate with a penchant for natural science, but his "theory" gave the world an explanation of life that helped fuel the ovens of Auschwitz and other Nazi extermination camps. De Rosa explains how Hitler tried to use genocide to speed up evolution and reveals how the American eugenics movement of early in the last century--which favored forced sterilization to "cleanse" the gene pool--is likewise indebted to Darwin. The late, great Rev. D. James Kennedy said: "This book deals an absolutely devastating blow to evolution by showing just how much damage this flawed theory has caused to our world." If you want to deal with an evolutionist inteligently, you need to read this book.

oldone70 said: One of the best recent books I've read on the evil of the "theory of evolution" is titled: EVOLUTION'S FATAL FRUIT--HOW DARWIN'S TREE OF LIFE BROUGHT DEATH TO MILLIONS, BY TOM DE ROSA. It was published in 2006 by Coral Ridge Ministries. It comes with a video or dvd, and is in paperback. I'd strongly recommend buying it. Contact Coral Ridge Ministries, 800-988-7884, or www.coralridge.org. De Rosa gives his readeers a close look at Darwin and the grim consequences to which his theory has led. Darwin was a Cambridge divinity graduate with a penchant for natural science, but his "theory" gave the world an explanation of life that helped fuel the ovens of Auschwitz and other Nazi extermination camps. De Rosa explains how Hitler tried to use genocide to speed up evolution and reveals how the American eugenics movement of early in the last century--which favored forced sterilization to "cleanse" the gene pool--is likewise indebted to Darwin. The late, great Rev. D. James Kennedy said: "This book deals an absolutely devastating blow to evolution by showing just how much damage this flawed theory has caused to our world." If you want to deal with an evolutionist inteligently, you need to read this book.

 

also the "Darwin's deadly legacy" DVD, from Dr. James Kennedy in coral ridge, a must see

kmcheng said:

Or, what is wrong with the schools teaching it? Hey, dude, don't act so surpprised by schools teaching bible and God. This is what schools used to do UNTIL some genius judge outlawed prayer and bible in schools in the 60's.

What's the result? Generations afterward don't know God anymore. And who needs God anyway, since all things are "evolved" from nothing. 

 

I will tell you what is wrong with it #1: be a PARENT to your own child!!  Don't dump things like teaching your child manners, morals or RELIGION on your teachers and school districts!  Too many parents are just LAZY anymore, they want the schools to teach them everything while they sit on there ample backsides and watch TV.

#2: I don't know WHY some of you can't get it thru your brains that the minute you start teaching "christianity" in the schools, then your schools will be sued out of existance by those who want THEIR religion taught too, ie maybe the Koran will be a required course, or Buddism, or maybe the just the Catholic way of belief, or the Morman way of belief,  because that is the way this country is--religious freedom FOR ALL--and who pays for the schools, courses and LAWSUITS, the TAX PAYERS.  And don't think that just the people from the middle east are those who believe in the Koran and ignorantly say "we don't have any of those in our school system (yet I say), because MANY blacks have switched to being Muslim, and believe me, they would DEMAND their religion also be taught in your schools.  If you have a school full of Baptists, and just 3 Muslims in the system, then they have their rights JUST as much as your child does to see their religion taught in the school system!

Be a parent, take your kids to CHURCH, stop being so lazy--there is not a church in the world if a dozen parents showed up with 2 dozen kids who would not figure out a good "bible" study for them all, it just takes doing your job as a parent!  The church I sometimes attend with my neighbors ALWAYS has something going on for kids and study and dinners and concerts and whatever, so, why is YOUR church not the same????

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You're certainly free to believe what you want, km.  I am not going to say science is infallible all the time on every single thing, but don't you think it's possible that God gave man the knowledge and know how to figure things out?  If you don't care to believe fossils, carbon dating, and other scientific methods of dating things, don't.  But don't even tell me it's ungodly or an insult to God to believe such things.  Just curious, do you also believe that Noah built a boat and actually went around and collected a male and female of every single species known to man?  Do you really believe a man lived to be 900 plus years old?  Do you really believe Jonah was swallowed by a whale?  Don't you think it's remotely possible that many of the stories in the old testament were, as discussed last night, just allegorical...simple fables to help a very simple people try to understand the world around them and help them understand that there was some greater power on earth besides them?

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Patsy said: You're certainly free to believe what you want, km.  I am not going to say science is infallible all the time on every single thing, but don't you think it's possible that God gave man the knowledge and know how to figure things out?  If you don't care to believe fossils, carbon dating, and other scientific methods of dating things, don't.  But don't even tell me it's ungodly or an insult to God to believe such things.  Just curious, do you also believe that Noah built a boat and actually went around and collected a male and female of every single species known to man?  Do you really believe a man lived to be 900 plus years old?  Do you really believe Jonah was swallowed by a whale?  Don't you think it's remotely possible that many of the stories in the old testament were, as discussed last night, just allegorical...simple fables to help a very simple people try to understand the world around them and help them understand that there was some greater power on earth besides them?

 

Remember when we were kids and we'd stare out into space and boggle our minds by how vast it is.  Yet God knows every star by name.  We don't even have a clue to how many stars there even are out there?  Oh! we speculate and say we do, but get real.  Even with the Hubble telescope we cannot see the end, if there is an end.  Remember, we'd say what's beyond the end then?  Ezekiel saw the wheel of the Lord.  Just what was the wheel? What exactly was the Ark of the Covenant? Jonah was swallowed by a whale.  Could the whale have been a submarine?  Remember what Christ told Nicodemus.  This is paraphrased but He asked Nicodemus if he's a teacher of Israel then why cannot he understand simple truth's and just how would he understand heavenly things if he cannot grasp those lessons to be learned here?  How does that apply to you and me and the remainder of humanity?  

I thought that the animals just came to Noah---he didn't have to round them up-----I also saw a show about this recently----

I was told that man lived longer back then because the Earth was better--the food they ate came from the ground and the ground was better than it is now---and there was more oxygen in the air---things were different back then.  I have heard the same thing Patsy--that maybe stories in the bible are stories to help us.  Isn't it in the bible somewhere--where God shortens the lifespan of humans?  I think the people back then were healthier than we are--or will ever think of being. 

yeah, classic mindset - you have absolutely no problem believe every word in the textbooks when they said dinosaurs lived million of years ago and human evolved from monkeys. But you have a very hard time trust the bible is telling the truth, and you think that most, if not all, of the events in bible are just fair tales. You just take these stuffs as they were without further researching, or thinking. Yeah, I guess that's really fair...

And, God did give man wisdom, but not for man try to be smart and fool around, it is for man to trust and obey God's command. And God also gave man hint after hint, fact after fact that there is a high power. Just that man are blinded by sin and pride, and don't want to listen because they don't want to be told what to do. 

 

And, hey, when the parents don't know God themselves, how do you expect them to teach their kids about God, huh? Most of them just think that throw the kids in public school and the teachers are supposed to teach them everything. Yeah, the kids do learn, but all they learned is humanism, which teach you how to be an atheist, that God is just imaginary. The kids, even the parents, are taught there is no God, there is not purpose of life, and there is no possible way to tell between right and wrong. So if it feels good, do it, since life is short.

I don't know, Gerald.  I certainly don't have all the answers.  If I did, there wouldn't be much more reason to live, would there?  When we run out of wonder and things to explore and learn, then what?  God put a brain between our ears and expected us to use it.  He'd have never bothered giving us a brain capable of thought, of learning, of curiosity, of yearning to explore, if He didn't want us to take full advantage of it.  He could have just left us as a bunch of chimps who knew how to sleep, eat and reproduce.  Instead God made us in His image.  We certainly are perfect like Him, but reproductions are NEVER as good as the original.

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