Damn our difference of opinion !!!

The reason for me joining FS was finding out about John Sutton's persecution of Border Patrol Agents, Ingnacio Ramos and Jose Compean. As time went on the more facts I learned the more angry I became. Following on the heals of that I learned the facts of how our government has allowed illegal aliens to invade our country. Through these forums I was able to connect with Americans from all across this nation. All of us were united in helping to right these wrongs. Then a small significant post, a promise from Steve Elliott to help us with an idea for a mass snail mail was very encouraging. A bit further in the thread as we were really gearing up and everyone was coming together on the what, when and where, Steve came in and made another post. A post that basicly said "FS team is working on xxx idea for this and will be updating you soon." That post affected our group more by what it did not say, but implied. It divided us instead of uniting us. I was shocked because all it would have taken to keep us united were a few words.

It to us was never a matter of my idea is better than yours. We all felt at the time of this post that ANY and All efforts (legally of course) were called for. We wanted to bring this out of the "dark" and let all our governing officials know......Hey !! this persecution of Ramos and Compean needs looking into. At present there are a few of those members still posting here. These people will know as soon as they read this exactly what I am talking about.

I want to make very clear right here and now that FS Team and Steve Elliott have done a great job of helping to right the wrongs of our imprisoned Border Patrol Agents. That is a proveable fact. FS is a great forum, for the most part everyone on here is coming from one basic common goal: To unite for the common good of our United States Of America. Damn our difference of opinion !!. We have to put aside the small and stay focused on the larger picture.

Every thread on these forums deserves respect. But.... To be respected you have to --- give respect. 

Are we as forum members going to continue to support each other on several basic issues ? Do we not agree for the most part on the following:

1. Our current and former Border Patrol Agents along with Law Enforcement Officers are under the common threat of being prosecuted for doing their job. Our government has allowed Mexican officials to speak with illegal aliens whose supposed "RIGHTS ?" have been violated during arrest for commiting a crime.

2. Our entire United States is under siege due to millions of illegal aliens being catered to at the risk of national security. I do not mean illegal aliens from just Mexico. We have enough illegal aliens who did not come here just to "make a better life". Many of the illegal aliens came here paying up to $40 Thousand each JUST for fraudulent identities, for ONE purpose: To destroy America. Yet our government for the most part continues to push paper, blame each other etc..... While doing absolutely NOTHING to secure our borders and enforce our laws.

3. America is being fast-tracked by elitest's into becoming what is called The Security and Prosperity Partnership of a North American Union. The main goal being to merge Canada, America and Mexico into ONE nation.

Fellow forum members every one of those three things is a huge threat to American Soveriegnty. We have been bamboozled by corrupt politicians and big business. We have been led.

My question is what are we going to do about it , how are we going to fix this insane B.S. in TRUE American tradition ?

If we as citizens can not unite on common ground, for our most basic rights and freedoms in order to effect change then we are doomed.

I was born in the ninteen fifties. I remember a nation of people who when they heard the Star Spangled Banner .... stopped immediately placed their right hand over their heart as a sign of respect to all who ever lived and died protecting our soveriegnty. Our people were proud to be American for every Constituional law was respected. The politicians were held to a higher standard than us we expected them to be Our Leaders, by listening to the common man and responding accordingly.

Somewhere along the line, corrupt politicians began to subtly alter our system to lead us down the up staircase by weaving a web of deceit that has become so tangled as to divide us. That was their common ground and it still is.

I challenge us all to unite, to give respect for ONE common goal:

Applaud and encourage the elected officials who have consistently stood their ground against the corrupt. They are our hope, but we can no longer allow them to face it without our support.

Thats all I wanted to say.    

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I agree, Feathers, and thank you.  We must preserve our heritage and pronounce it to the rest of the country in order to regain what we are losing and have already lost because of apathy and the unbelievable shift in values of all citizens, young and old.

It is our responsibility is to regain what we have lost, so we can leave an "on track" nation for our children, grandchildren, and generations to come.

The mainstream media, which includes all television and cable television as well as talk radio has GOT to be bombarded with mass emails, faxes and mailings.  This is one of the only ways to initiate some kind of national diaglogue and protest about these main issues.

Frosty Wooldrige, author and radio show host, has given suggestions  to me, and one of them was bombarding the cable and regular news outlets, so I have started a campaign on that and will post the simple things that I said.  Anyone is welcome to use it and modify it , and pass it on to someone else whether here or through a mass email to various friends, relatives, strangers, etc.  The only way it will be recognized, though, is if enough people do the same thing.  It has to be a concerted effort by many not just the few of us here.  

 Here is what I said.  It can be modified by listing the issues that need to be discussed nationally.

 Dear             :

Please interview the following people on your program:  Frosty Wooldridge,  Terry Anderson, DA King, Linda Muller, William Gheen, Ezola Foster, Robert Vasquez and others.  They will debate and create a national discussion of the issues at hand.  Those issues being:

Also, while you are at it, please extensively interview all of the second tier presidential candidates.  Your program has not had these  candidates on for  more lengthy interviews, and it is time that you gave them  the time to explain their  views on extremely significant topics.  These second tier candidates deserve to be heard by the American people, considering that most Americans hold the same values as these candidates do.  Their views and solutions to America's problems need to be addressed.

Thank you,

 

Bias Out in the Open
Howard cut off when he speaks the truth

Rick Sanchez, left, Dan Howard (Outraged Patriots), right. Comment: Sanchez said he wants a conversation right after he terminated the conversation by interrupting Howard when he started speaking the hard truth.

Out in the Open -- CNN -- November 2 Dan Howard: Oklahoma people come from the heartland and they just tell it like it is. We don't have a problem with the color of these people's skin and we don't have a problem that they come from other countries, but they've invades us and they've hurt good friends of mine in the construction business - about to go broke. You know we've had a lot of crime, we've had a lot of social Rick Sanchez overtalks: Hey look Howard: services and Sanchez overtalks: Let's be reasonable - hey Dan. Howard: I don't have a problem with a plan. Sanchez: And I understand that. I think you're a good man and I think reasonable people from both sides can have a conversation like the one we're having tonight. By the way, we'll get you back - we've got a lot of breaking news so we've got to go. Howard: Let me tell you about the plan, though. Sanchez: Dan, I swear, we don't have time. (Cuts to a 3- hr- old AP story about OJ Simpson - hardly "breaking news")  Watch

THE ABOVE POSTS ARE ABSOLUTLY TRUE. GOOD POSTS!!

I HAVE WRITTEN CNN ABOUT THIS MAN AND TOLD THEM EXACTLY WHAT i THINK ABOUT HIS BIAS REPORTING!!! I BECAME SO ANGERY WHEN HE SHUT DAN DOWN FOR O. J. SIMPSON I JUST TURNED OFF THE T.V.

LET CNN KNOW JUST WHAT A A**HOLE SANCHEZ IS!! I AM OUTRAGED!!!

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FeathersFlying,

You have it all right. One thing that seems to be dividing us is that some of us are very suspicious of the organization, the CFR, that had the ideas for the Security and Prosperity Partnership. Some are suspicious of its members and closely affiliated people and some are not.

I do happen to be suspicious of them now because that organization cannot do anything without them, its members. I am hoping that all vote for second tier candidates. I am encouraging Democrats to change their registrations to Republican to vote for Ron Paul. I am working hard to help the Tancredo campaign.

If we all work on the problems and threats you wrote about, and work for the second tier, we can have some positive effect for the good of this country.

John

The media are our enemy, and they have no clue of the magnitude of the problem. I have no TV in my house, and receive no newspaper or events periodical.  I get all my information from the internet and talk radio, but even then, some information is not easy to come by.

FOX news is not alined with the other network and cable news outlets, yet they are missing their obvious advantage that they speak directly to us without need to conform to the 'story of the day'.  When we tune into FOX we should leave all the meaningless spin stories behind and pass into a world of factual reporting on a wide variety of issues. However, FOX is often just the same old poop without the spin, or with different spin.

I would love to see a show that picked a media story and disected it line by line to illustrate the bias and lack of factual importance.  At least our public schooled dummies could learn how to detect spin and bias.

Yes, the media is the enemy of America today.  they do not want an informed population, but they desire control of our thoughts. They are failing and this trend will continue until they go fully bankrupt.  Time and truth are on our side. When you consider who and what supports the other political point of view, you know we must win this and every election. We must find honest, fair minded people and support them while we tear down the false leaders and false issues the media and democrats force upon us. United we stand, divided we fail.  

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p. hunt said: Bias Out in the Open
Howard cut off when he speaks the truth

Rick Sanchez, left, Dan Howard (Outraged Patriots), right. Comment: Sanchez said he wants a conversation right after he terminated the conversation by interrupting Howard when he started speaking the hard truth.

Out in the Open -- CNN -- November 2 Dan Howard: Oklahoma people come from the heartland and they just tell it like it is. We don't have a problem with the color of these people's skin and we don't have a problem that they come from other countries, but they've invades us and they've hurt good friends of mine in the construction business - about to go broke. You know we've had a lot of crime, we've had a lot of social Rick Sanchez overtalks: Hey look Howard: services and Sanchez overtalks: Let's be reasonable - hey Dan. Howard: I don't have a problem with a plan. Sanchez: And I understand that. I think you're a good man and I think reasonable people from both sides can have a conversation like the one we're having tonight. By the way, we'll get you back - we've got a lot of breaking news so we've got to go. Howard: Let me tell you about the plan, though. Sanchez: Dan, I swear, we don't have time. (Cuts to a 3- hr- old AP story about OJ Simpson - hardly "breaking news")  Watch

THE ABOVE POSTS ARE ABSOLUTLY TRUE. GOOD POSTS!!

I HAVE WRITTEN CNN ABOUT THIS MAN AND TOLD THEM EXACTLY WHAT i THINK ABOUT HIS BIAS REPORTING!!! I BECAME SO ANGERY WHEN HE SHUT DAN DOWN FOR O. J. SIMPSON I JUST TURNED OFF THE T.V.

LET CNN KNOW JUST WHAT A A**HOLE SANCHEZ IS!! I AM OUTRAGED!!!

I missed Dan's appearance last night because my daughter called long distance just as Dan was coming on.  I emailed him today to thank him and tell him I missed the program but knew it was great.  He sent me this reply:

 

 

Dan

 

 

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                  Thank you FeathersFlying for that breath of fresh air. Regardless of one's choice for candidate; FS is a place for us to come together to share information, exchange ideas, and work in unison for the greater good of this country. There are too many trying to commandeer the site for their candidate only. We are facing very real threats on many fronts and need a little unity of purpose. Yes not every one feels that the NAU/SPP are a threat; ignore it. Not everyone feels that Ron Paul is the best choice for President, or Romney, or Thompson, etc........ That comes to personal choice and belief. Let's try to direct the personal attacks and diatribes where they belong towards the enemies of everything we stand for. Not against each other. We are truly our own worst enemy when it comes to infighting. I've learned much and hopefully shared a little with others here. We have much left to accomplish.

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we must come together and look at problems individually instead looking at many problems collectively, as one.

many people solving one problem is far better than a few people solving many problems.

prioritizing the problem  list is what takes leadership. Find the leadership and many will be standing in line to help. 

Not many, if any, will probably agree with me on this, but my feelings are that soon we are going to have to come to a consensus on who would best serve us as president. I hate to think who will be the next president if we split the vote so much that we wind up with the worst possible president we could have, and I don't need to mention her name.

We all know, and to some extent agree, on the main issues that affect and infect our country and our lives. We don't have long to make a choice. We  need to weigh the issues against the candidates, and pray that we make the right decision. But, as long as there is so much infighting, I am afraid we are going to miss what we are aiming for.

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Feathers Flying...that was the most beautiful "prelude" on a thread that I have ever seen. Bless your heart.....born in 1962 and remember how quickly my Norman Rockwell small town life was invaded by the chaos of the 60's and 70's.....now those SAME LIBERALS who protested and made our lives miserable are now our Senate and house members!

UNITED WE STAND! This is the greatest country in the world, and since our Declaration of Independence in 1776 we have had to fight to keep our freedom. This is a different type of fight with an enemy that hides in plain sight among us.

It is quite obvious that petitions are useful in some cases, but what Feathers Flying is asking above is very difficult. How do WE make a difference with regard to our destiny already mapped out by the elitists?

How do ordinary Americans take on such powerful entities and WIN? We need a larger base of people to help and SPREAD AWARENESS! Like Feathers Flying so eloquently stated...he originally came to this site because of Ramos and Compean- and then found out all of the other issues that we fight that are geared towards helping ILLEGALS and not our own fellow Americans.

 

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I have felt welcomed here from the start. I thank all of you for that. we are uniting all over this great country and if the immigration issue is a sign of whats to come, we have reason to be hopefull. I play such a small role in this fight, however, for the first time I feel it is an important role.

Those of you who play such a huge role in this fight should be proud that you have drawn people like me into the bigger picture. You are making a difference.

(Admin) BiotechBabe said:

Feathers Flying...that was the most beautiful "prelude" on a thread that I have ever seen. Bless your heart.....born in 1962 and remember how quickly my Norman Rockwell small town life was invaded by the chaos of the 60's and 70's.....now those SAME LIBERALS who protested and made our lives miserable are now our Senate and house members!

UNITED WE STAND! This is the greatest country in the world, and since our Declaration of Independence in 1776 we have had to fight to keep our freedom. This is a different type of fight with an enemy that hides in plain sight among us.

It is quite obvious that petitions are useful in some cases, but what Feathers Flying is asking above is very difficult. How do WE make a difference with regard to our destiny already mapped out by the elitists?

How do ordinary Americans take on such powerful entities and WIN? We need a larger base of people to help and SPREAD AWARENESS! Like Feathers Flying so eloquently stated...he originally came to this site because of Ramos and Compean- and then found out all of the other issues that we fight that are geared towards helping ILLEGALS and not our own fellow Americans.

 

 

FeathersFlying, it was great to meet you in person, down in St. Pete! 

BTB, I have repeatedly stated the need for an "umbrella" org. where we can all unite, and be counted once, after it being validated that you are a U.S. citizen.  I wanted this site advertized on TV, talk radio, newspapers and emails.  This site would be the place where all of the other sites in this fight could give their websites, but most important, it would be a place to count our true numbers.  We need to know how strong we truly are!  We also need a site like this to deseminate info more quickly.  Too many times I get info about marches or meetings that I would have loved to participate in, but I get it too late to make plans.  Numbersusa, Alipac.us and firesociety are all doing a great job, and I am very grateful for the jobs that they all do.  We still don't have an accurate count.  If we did, we might represent a more united formidable force to our adversaries, our government, and MSM, who claim to represent us.  They are still pretty much talking over us.  We are called the "fringe".  I want to make our voices loud and clear, that we are NOT the fringe!

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John07 said:

Not many, if any, will probably agree with me on this, but my feelings are that soon we are going to have to come to a consensus on who would best serve us as president. I hate to think who will be the next president if we split the vote so much that we wind up with the worst possible president we could have, and I don't need to mention her name.

This is imperative!  We all have strong opinions, but we know that we have to unite behind someone who will NOT represent special interest groups over that of American citizens.  WE HAVE to do this!

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I guess I've been missing something. I really didn't realize we had that many differences, not important ones anyway. I just want America back. You know the one, The one that was a Nation of laws. Where laws were enforced. Where illegal meant you broke the law, and you are not allowed to profit from breaking laws. You are penalized for breaking laws, not for trying to enforce them.

That's the America I would like to see again.

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                 Well said Sheila.

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Find out who that person is-that will lead us--with no special interests except the well being of our country-share it with America--let's wake up all our fellow citizens -- bring our patriots "out of the shadows"  of apathy and let them help us restore America to Americans and greatness.

 

misterbill said:

Find out who that person is-that will lead us--with no special interests except the well being of our country-share it with America--let's wake up all our fellow citizens -- bring our patriots "out of the shadows"  of apathy and let them help us restore America to Americans and greatness.

 

 

You are another nite-owl like me huh?  What are we going to do to spread the word about the march coming up in Atlanta on Nov. 17th?  Funny, I haven't heard a word of it from The Minuteman org.  I think I need to go to the GA. thread again.

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I was just doing a check before hitting the sack and I felt I had to comment. I got emails from Tew --she is interested in the rally. Why don't you contact her again. The three of us can go--I may yet talk Debbie into going---I hope, I hope.

Sheila:

Eggxactly! I too want an American where our leaders are "penalized" for not enforcing the Law of the Land! Unfortunately, Pelosi thru in the towel on Impeaching Bush because he convinced her that he would back a Democrat Amnesty bill out of the Senate...at least, that's what I think happened. So, we have to contend with 13 more months of the guy. Then, we have the sanctuary cities who idiot mayors and mouthspeak chiefs of po-lice won't obey Federal law. They should all be arrested and indicted on Federal charges of aiding and abetting. We had the chance to do this to Giuliani while he was mayor of New York, but Clinton didn't want that happening.

The most important law that Bush & Co have not enforced (until recently and only here and there in spots, not as it should be--full out everywhere) is the Fed law against illegal aliens and against the hiring of them by U.S. and other businesses here. Everyday, I get awakened by the smells of diesel-fueled, noisy leafblowers run by illegal Guatemalans and Mexicans hired by other property owners in my city. I look at them (none of whom speak English) and wonder how many jackpot/anchor babies their wives or gal friends have had here, how much of the illegal money they've earned is sent back to Guatemala and Mexico and how much money they and their illegal families have cost the taxpayer in closed and near-bankrupt hospitals, how many Americans have been killed by drunken illegals and murdered by others. Of course, I read the stats, but I know it's a real problem and one that is easily solved were it not for greed, sheer greed. The owners of these apts. and homes could give a darn about what hiring /enabling these lawbreaking foreign nationals has done and is doing and will do to our country.

We can have a difference of opinion. I'm sure that EE or other pro-employers will disagree strongly with me, but the Invasion from Mexico at present in the high 30 millions is our country's biggest threat. Our Southern Border is still wide open. Will any of the GOP candidates that have a chance at the nomination shut it down and (finally) DEFEND the nation? I wonder. I wonder if the globalists haven't already destroyed our last chance for a nation. We have one chance--at that is to CLOSE that Border, end the sanctuary policy of the big cities and if necessary, call out the National Guard to keep the peace as the illegals line up to leave. We won't need cattle cars...Just a beeline to Mexico!

 

What about the name of "The United Citizens of America"  for the umbrella name ?????

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