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October 18, 2007 08:23 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Thread for conversation and discussion about Ron Paul.

Amazing - the donations to Ron Paul for Q3 not only surpassed that of ALL other Republican candidates but ALL OTHER DEMOCRATIC candidates, too!

For those who say - Ron Paul doesn't support our troops b/c he wants to bring them home - they sure support him - TWO donation quarters in a row...he's topped the list....

Ron Paul 26.23%
Barack Obama 24.02%
John McCain 18.31%
Hillary Clinton 11.08%
Bill Richardson 5.59%
Mitt Romney 4.05%
John Edwards 2.63%
Rudy Giuliani 2.44%
Mike Huckabee 1.84%
Tom Tancredo 1.63%
Duncan Hunter 1.05%
Joe Biden 0.84%
Mike Gravel 0.16%
Sam Brownback 0.07%
Dennis Kucinich 0.05%
Tommy Thompson 0%
Chris Dodd 0%
Jim Gilmore 0%
John Cox 0%

http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/07/17/ron-paul-leads-all-08-candidates-with-one-third-of-military-contributions-for-q2/



"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad." -- James Madison
October 18, 2007 09:00 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Explaining the policies behind the ‘Ron Paul Revolution’

By Katherine Fernelius, Copy Editor

Published on October 18, 2007

I am, in no way, shape or form, an expert on politics and/or political theories, but after reading Matt Maxson’s piece bashing Ron Paul and his policies, I decided to do some more research on Paul so that I could deliver concise information and address some of the problems found in Maxson’s article

Paul has never voted to raise taxes, never voted on an unbalanced budget, never voted to raise congressional pay and has never voted to raise the powers of the Executive Branch—all of which speak leaps and bounds of his character in today’s politics. Paul is the most consistent voting, conservative candidate in Congress. His beliefs and opinions have not flip-flopped in the past 10-plus years that he has held a political position, and one thing that I extremely respect is that he does not believe in forcing the U.S. to adopt and/or live by the same values he personally believes in. He is more concerned with what is best for the country and what is stated in the Constitution. In terms of the problems that surfaced in Maxson’s article, this is what I have to say:

Maxson claimed that Ron Paul’s campaign is “far from revolutionary” and “resembles Walter Mondale’s 1984 presidential campaign.” I don’t understand this comparison. Mondale was a Democrat running against the incumbent Ronald Reagan. Paul is a conservative Republican not running against an incumbent. The climate for the 1984 election was completely different than that of today. Mondale was viewed as a traditional Democrat who wanted big government and higher taxes. Paul wants neither. He wants to limit money-wasting bureaucracy seen in the likes of the Department of Education, the Department of Homeland Security and most importantly the Internal Revenue Service. The only comparison mentioned in Maxson’s article is that young people were strongly behind Mondale and today, young people strongly support Paul. Really? By that comparison Barney the purple dinosaur … well lets just say the two campaigns are far from the same.

As for the inflation tax, it’s not as simple as Maxson describes.

Printing more money means there is more in circulation, which devalues the money you own. This doesn’t affect the politicians because they spend the money. In actuality, they thrive on it because the debt that they rack up loses its value through inflation, and at the same time, the money that an average middle-class American has saved loses its purchasing power. Maxson claims that collecting money “floating throughout the world” would be one way to help stop inflation, but Paul does not endorse that idea. He, however, is the only candidate -— Republican or Democrat — presenting the issue of inflation during a time of record-breaking deficits. Why anyone would decide to criticize Paul on this is beyond me.

The only counter claim I can make against Maxson’s comparison of Paul’s idea of eliminating the IRS to George H.W. Bush’s “no new taxes” is that tax cuts work when government restricts spending. If we didn’t wage expensive endless wars and succumb to the military industrialized complex we wouldn’t have a problem eliminating the IRS and getting our funding from other sources. If Paul does what he says he will, as his consistent voting track record proves he can, he should have no problem starting a revolution in America.

Like it or not, Ron Paul is a candidate worth looking into. He is making a name for himself, has people around the country showing their support and is standing for changes that are imperative to the well-being of the United States. For more information on Ron Paul’s presidential platform, visit RonPaul2008.com or meetup.com.



"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad." -- James Madison
October 18, 2007 05:43 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Comment updated October 18, 2007 06:25 PM

MSM - FINALLY admits Ron Paul IS top tier - about time....

The momentum is snowballing folks.....

Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination

Ron Paul has mandate for equal time during Fox News debate

Marty Eels
Thursday, October 18, 2007

Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul has broken through to the top tier of Republican candidates running for president. He knows it, GOP voters know it, and as previously reported; media outlets are grudgingly admitting it.

Ron Paul commented on the issue in a message to supporters, “The blackout is ending; our campaign is starting to get mainstream media attention, thanks to growing donations and volunteers.”

Ron Paul continued in his message to supporters:

“All over America, our support is wide and deep and growing, and young people are joining like never before. After the Dearborn debate, I went to the University of Michigan for a rally. 2,000 students turned out, something that has happened to no other candidate this year.”

It is a remarkable fact that Ron Paul has consistently drawn crowds all across the country that continuously seem to dwarf those of his opponents. Given the scant media coverage Paul has received it is a testament that his message is resonating.


The Republican Party appears to be recognizing that Ron Paul has a chance of winning the nomination. Paul said to supporters:

“After all the aggressive wars, the assaults on our privacy and civil liberties, the oppressive taxation, and the crazed spending and deficits, I believe that many Republican voters are ready to return to our roots. And the big boys feel it too.It is no coincidence that the Republican National Committee invited me to a fundraising dinner involving only top-tier candidates."

Commenting on Alan Greenspan’s recent interview on the Fox Business Channel Paul said:

” the reporter asked if we really needed a central bank. Greenspan looked stunned, and then said that was a good question; he actually talked about fiat money vs. a gold standard. Now, the ex-Fed chairman is not about to endorse our sound monetary policy, but you know our Revolution is working when such a question is asked in the mainstream media, and this powerful man gives such an answer.”

He continued on about the crowd of 2000 at his campaign’s Dearborn rally:

“They cheered all our ideas, but especially our opposition to the Federal Reserve, and our support for real money of gold and silver, as the Constitution mandates, instead of prosperity-wrecking fiat money. American politics hasn't seen anything like this in many decades. It is truly revolutionary”.

Ron Paul’s campaign does not appear to be willing to sit in the background of the presidential race any longer and made that very clear Wednesday during a press conference. Paul’s campaign pointed out that only four candidates remain viable at this time in the Republican field.

Paul’s campaign highlighted that according to the financial reports, the indication is that the only viable candidates where Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, and Ron Paul. Mitt Romney’s campaign is viable as long as he continues to spend his personal wealth.

Ron Paul’s campaign may do many things in this election but it has already made media polls irrelevant suggesting them to be an outdated obsolete method of rating candidates. If the polls were accurate Dr. Paul should not be in third place in the GOP money race.

The cable networks have been giving a disproportionate amount of time in televised debates to what they believed to be the top tier of candidates (Giuliani, Romney, Thompson, and McCain).

Expect a reshuffling of that order, replacing McCain with Paul during the Fox News debate in Orlando Florida this Sunday, or viewers may see a flashback to the famous Ronald Reagan line from a presidential debate, when he said, “I’m paying for this microphone” but instead, Paul might say, “the American people have paid for this microphone”.



"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad." -- James Madison
October 18, 2007 06:13 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Now, that is daggoned encouraging, Americafirst!!!!!   Let the snowball grow faster and faster!

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." ~William Pitt, 1783
October 19, 2007 09:58 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Pretty dang good for an "It's only the internet" campaign.

Instructions on how to be a neocon.
I support the troops who still have moral values, but I don't worship them. I do not support the occupation of Iraq. I believe the opposite of anything George W. Bush says and support Chuck Baldwin for President. I am a Mormon, Libertarian, 9/11 Truther, Alex Jones listener, Ron Paul supporter, and proud of it!
October 19, 2007 10:06 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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It's those dang autodialers redialing, dontcha know?  That and the internet spammers!  Just ask Patsy.

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October 19, 2007 10:25 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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We have believed in our government being truthful and honest to the American people. Our elected leaders have lied, and now are openly refusing to do the will of the people. I for one will say that I don't agree with all of Ron Paul's ideas but his principles are based on the Constitution. The last thirty years have been a failure in foreign policy and Our domestic give a ways have made our taxes so high that one will work five months out of the year to pay for our government. I want a change for the future of all in this country and Ron Paul is the one to do that.

To change the direction of this country, you must change the people who you have entrusted. Do not stand by and let others tell you what is good for your country. Vote these carpet baggers out of office.
October 19, 2007 11:13 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Bassin Boggs said: We have believed in our government being truthful and honest to the American people. Our elected leaders have lied, and now are openly refusing to do the will of the people. I for one will say that I don't agree with all of Ron Paul's ideas but his principles are based on the Constitution. The last thirty years have been a failure in foreign policy and Our domestic give a ways have made our taxes so high that one will work five months out of the year to pay for our government. I want a change for the future of all in this country and Ron Paul is the one to do that.

 

That's exactly how I feel Bassin.  While I didn't agree with all of his policies when I first started supporting him - I find myself agreeing with him more and more... I feel his platform is just the change DC needs...180 degree turn in the opposite direction.

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad." -- James Madison
October 19, 2007 04:11 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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y' know ? After all the bashing everyone gives those who support Ron Paul , I'd bet dollars to doughnuts they expect an answer to this question to go sort of , " Y--Because we like him". Well it is more like "Why ? Because Ron Paul is the only one to have stepped up with a full platter from the outset without having to be prompted by a debate host . Ron Paul has had his sails set for a long time and his navigation seems pretty much like he could take us where we need to be once again " .

Vote Responsibly and if you don't vote don't complain around me .
October 19, 2007 05:51 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Why do I support Ron Paul? 

Very simple, because he is a principled man that has obeyed the Constitution for the 10-terms he's been in office.  He is also one of the most ingenius representatives we've ever had when it comes to the knowledge of history and economic policy, being a student of the austrian school.  



GET OFF THE INTERNET!! -- http://ronpaul.meetup.com What does Ron Paul think? Whynot see what HE has had to say himself on the issue: www.RonPaulLibrary.org
October 19, 2007 10:38 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Ron Paul: 

Ronald Reagan called Ron Paul... “one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a strong national defense,” adding “he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and always puts them first…We need him to keep fighting for our country.”

 



"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad." -- James Madison
October 21, 2007 01:57 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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At the very least , Dr Paul has caused many to take stances on certain issues which are exact to his . I can't think of too many who came out of the gate with the similar stances and it looks like they waited for public opinion before taking issue . While it is good that they are at least talking on the issues , I favor Dr Paul for being the originator of the importance , as he has been on so many issues important to this once great nation .

Vote Responsibly and if you don't vote don't complain around me .
October 24, 2007 08:33 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Discussion with Mrs. Paul about the Fox debate and audience: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hf0I2...

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad." -- James Madison
October 24, 2007 08:37 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Comment updated October 24, 2007 08:48 PM
Ron Paul is Highest-Polling Republican Among Black Voters

Data Shows African-Americans Prefer Ron Paul to Other 2008 GOP Candidates

October 24, 2007

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA—Public opinion service Rasmussen Reports recently released data indicating that Texas congressman Ron Paul is the top Republican presidential candidate among African-American voters. 1200 individuals were polled and asked if they preferred Ron Paul to Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. 33 percent of Black voters chose Congressman Paul over Senator Clinton and 31 percent over Senator Obama. Rasmussen Reports polled voters on their preference for the other GOP contenders over Clinton and Obama, and all polled lower than Congressman Paul. John McCain was preferred over Clinton and Obama by 24 and 16 percent, and Mitt Romney by 20 and 27 percent, respectively. Rudy Giuliani was only preferred to Clinton by 15 percent, and to Obama by 17 percent. Congressman Paul's support among African-Americans is much higher than what Republicans have received in recent presidential elections. CNN's 2004 presidential election exit polls show that Democrat John Kerry was preferred over George Bush by 88 percent. The RealClearPolitics Insider Advantage Poll from early October also indicated that Dr. Paul was the leading Republican candidate among Black voters in key primary state, New Hampshire. "Dr. Paul is the candidate who brings Americans together," said Paul campaign manager Lew Moore. "His unifying message of freedom, peace, and prosperity is drawing supporters of all backgrounds back into the Republican party." Rasmussen Reports conducted preference polls for Ron Paul between October 12 and 14. Preference polls for Rudy Giuliani were conducted October 8 through 9 and 15 through 16, and for Mitt Romney and John McCain between October 10 and 11 and 17 through 18.

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad." -- James Madison
October 26, 2007 08:07 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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In search of Life, Liberty and in search of Happiness

Great interview with Andrew Napolitano.

A Nation of Sheep:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVUvm2PNLkg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWThTWBZqBg



"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad." -- James Madison
October 26, 2007 09:18 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Numbersusa.com has realized Ron Paul is a frontrunner....He's now included in their top tier.  - Click on the right Presidential Candidates: Americans for Better Immigration

http://www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2006/prez08_gop1.html

 



"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad." -- James Madison
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First they came for the Muslims, and I didn't speak up because I
wasn't a Muslim.

Then they came for the immigrants, detaining them indefinitely solely
on the certification of the attorney general, and I didn't speak up
because I wasn't an immigrant.

Then they came to eavesdrop on suspects consulting with their
attorneys, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a suspect.

Then they came to prosecute noncitizens before secret military
commissions, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a noncitizen.

Then they came to enter homes and offices for unannounced "sneak and
peak" searches, and I didn't speak up because I had nothing to hide.

Then they came to reinstate Cointelpro and resume the infiltration and
surveillance of domestic religious and political groups, and I didn't
speak up because I no longer participated in any groups.

Then they came to arrest American citizens and hold them indefinitely
without any charges and without access to lawyers, and I didn't speak
up because I would never be arrested.

Then they came to institute TIPS (Terrorism Information and Prevention
System) recruiting citizens to spy on other citizens and I didn't
speak up because I was afraid.

Then they came for anyone who objected to government policy because it
only aided the terrorists and gave ammunition to America's enemies,
and I didn't speak up ... because I didn't speak up.

Then they came for me, and by that time, no one was left to speak up.

Forum Column (from the Daily Journal, 11/20/02). Stephen Rohde is
an attorney. He edited American Words of Freedom and was was president
of the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California.

http://buffaloreport.com/021123rohde.html

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad." -- James Madison

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