KNOW YOUR RINO

This report is not new, and I myself have skipped over the link in other reports.  I dare you to read it, watch the videos, and follow all the links.  Then maybe you will fully understand the REAL THREAT we are under in losing our sovereignty.

  http://www.knowyourrino.com/general/a_broader_agenda.htm

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msbobbie said:

This report is not new, and I myself have skipped over the link in other reports.  I dare you to read it, watch the videos, and follow all the links.  Then maybe you will fully understand the REAL THREAT we are under in losing our sovereignty.

  http://www.knowyourrino.com/general/a_broader_agenda.htm

 

Thanks for the link ms, I get tired of the people who call us conspiracy nuts because they have their eyes closed.

I would say by reading the list of corporate members that about 90% of the jobs in this country are provided by those evil CFR companies.

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msbobbie said:

This report is not new, and I myself have skipped over the link in other reports.  I dare you to read it, watch the videos, and follow all the links.  Then maybe you will fully understand the REAL THREAT we are under in losing our sovereignty.

  http://www.knowyourrino.com/general/a_broader_agenda.htm

OK, for the sake of argument, I will stipulate to the fact that all this is true and that we are heading for a NWO.  Your suggestion to vote for RP, Tom, or Hunter is going to lead us where?   Now, living here in CA, I can afford the luxury of voting for them or Bugs Bunny or any other write-in, or third party candidate  I please  in the presidential election because, Hillary will receive the electoral vote from California.  Wonderful, isn't it?  In the primaries, though, I will vote for someone I think can beat her. But if people in other states where a Republican actually has a chance and you are voting for Tom, RP or Hunter in the primaries ,fine, but you will be throwing your vote away because Giuliani or Thompson, maybe Romney will be the nominee.  If you don't vote for one of them in the presidential election, Hillary will be the president.  Now if you think there is no difference between say Giuliani and Hill,  I've got to think you are nuts.  I know your not nuts, so......

I don't know how you are going to avoid the NWO except by fighting the small battles like immigration and border security, etc.

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You know, if you get a scratch and don't take care of it, it can get infected.  It would have stung to treat it with some iodine or peroxide or something, but it would have healed.  But because of the reluctance to accept the sting, you let it fester.  Now it requires lancing and antibiotics and will leave a scar and ultimately hurts worse than if you had treated it in the beginning.  If you don't treat it now, it will become gangrenous and you will have to cut off your limb to save your life.  Not much of a choice, but most people would sacrifice a limb for their life.

Every time we accept unfit candidates and vote the lesser of evils, we are essentially avoiding the pain in the short term.  You can argue where we are now.  Some would say that if we don't take back the republican party and clearly separate it from the democratic party, we are failing to amputate.  Others may not believe we are quite to that point.  But who wants to get there, in any case.  We need to suck it up and take our medicine before it is too late.  And that means not voting for or accepting candidates in the republican party who are little different from the democrats they oppose.  The good news is that America is by and large conservative.  Unfortunately, most conservatives are minding their own business and fairly disengaged from politics and what has been happening.

My fear is that even if Guliani wins, and perhaps especially if he does, that Hillary will become incrementally more acceptable.  So instead of getting elected on 08, she gets elected in '16.  Or maybe in '12.  Guliani and the top tier may be worlds better than Hillary, but they are a step in the wrong direction.

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FF said:  You know, if you get a scratch and don't take care of it, it can get infected

Or you could rub poop in it by voting for a third party candidate thus voting for Billary.

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Do you believe that continuing to vote for worser candidates will prevent Hillary or worse from ever getting elected?  I don't.  I believe it actually increases her chances of getting elected in the future.  I suppose on that point we will have to disagree.  No doubt she could do a lot of damage now.  But if we continue to move leftward or toward NWO or whatever, whenever she does get elected, she will have less work to do to harm our country and could actually hurt is worse than she can today. 

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FireWing said:

msbobbie said:

This report is not new, and I myself have skipped over the link in other reports.  I dare you to read it, watch the videos, and follow all the links.  Then maybe you will fully understand the REAL THREAT we are under in losing our sovereignty.

  http://www.knowyourrino.com/general/a_broader_agenda.htm

OK, for the sake of argument, I will stipulate to the fact that all this is true and that we are heading for a NWO.  Your suggestion to vote for RP, Tom, or Hunter is going to lead us where?   Now, living here in CA, I can afford the luxury of voting for them or Bugs Bunny or any other write-in, or third party candidate  I please  in the presidential election because, Hillary will receive the electoral vote from California.  Wonderful, isn't it?  In the primaries, though, I will vote for someone I think can beat her. But if people in other states where a Republican actually has a chance and you are voting for Tom, RP or Hunter in the primaries ,fine, but you will be throwing your vote away because Giuliani or Thompson, maybe Romney will be the nominee.  If you don't vote for one of them in the presidential election, Hillary will be the president.  Now if you think there is no difference between say Giuliani and Hill,  I've got to think you are nuts.  I know your not nuts, so......

I don't know how you are going to avoid the NWO except by fighting the small battles like immigration and border security, etc.

 

And I disagree.  If G or T or R are elected what we get will be no better than Hillary.  I will go so far as to say "The same as Hillary".  I do not believe she will give free health care to anyone, any more than I believe G or T or R will cut anyone's taxes. 

Neither of them are going to keep any promise they make in this campaign for the party nomination.  It is all for show to divide the people behind a Republican or a Democrat candidate and in the end what we are going to get is a NORTH AMERICAN UNION before 2010.

If we do not nominate Tom Tancredo or Duncan Hunter or Ron Paul ( in that order) and do not have them, or someone like them on a third party ticket, conservative voters are going to stay home in November '08.

Voters in California and everywhere else have got to get away from the R and D thing and think about what is best for America.  Just beating Hillary is not it.

If you are thinking of voting for G. or R. or T. you are voting for a North American Union and the loss of sovereignty for the United States of America.  It is that simple.

 

 

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If you vote for Hillary or a third party (who has no chance) who do you think Hillary will put on the Supreme Court.  A constitutionalist?

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And I have seen a LOT of disinformation with regard to Rudy....I am exploring EVERY candidate so it is only fair that you take a look at this link and make an intelligent, informed decision....especially with EVERYONE saying he wants to take away 2nd Amendment rights...NOT TRUE!

http://www.joinrudy2008.com/issues/

Just keep an open mind as I have done with ALL of you...you are fortunate that you have made your choice already.....this is stressing me out with all of the research and comparing notes on ALL Republican candidates. I hate this RINO crap......it's like asking people to define the word "justice". How do you "define" the word justice if you do not live in a "just" society?

How do you define "Republican"? We may all (or most of us) be Republicans....but we are ALL different.....so how can that be defined?

 

 

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FireWing did say "But if people in other states where a Republican actually has a chance and you are voting for Tom, RP or Hunter in the primaries ,fine, but you will be throwing your vote away..."

Fortunately I have learned to vote for what best fits my principals. Just because others follow the flock off the cliff does not mean I will...been there, done that! 

  

shortie said:

FireWing did say "But if people in other states where a Republican actually has a chance and you are voting for Tom, RP or Hunter in the primaries ,fine, but you will be throwing your vote away..."

Fortunately I have learned to vote for what best fits my principals. Just because others follow the flock off the cliff does not mean I will...been there, done that! 

  

 

also referred to as "voting your conscience".....well said Shortie!

 

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FireWing said: If you vote for Hillary or a third party (who has no chance) who do you think Hillary will put on the Supreme Court.  A constitutionalist?

 

I still do not agree that a third party will have no chance.  Having a third party on the ticket will bring more people to the polls.  Without that option, many ( maybe as many as half )

 WILL STAY HOME AND NOT VOTE AT ALL

When our precious constitution and bill of rights are put through the shredder because we are no longer a free and independent Republic, there will not be a supreme court.

I would bet that as many registered Democrats would vote for a third party as Registered Republicans.

 

 

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(CM) BiotechBabe said:

And I have seen a LOT of disinformation with regard to Rudy....I am exploring EVERY candidate so it is only fair that you take a look at this link and make an intelligent, informed decision....especially with EVERYONE saying he wants to take away 2nd Amendment rights...NOT TRUE!

http://www.joinrudy2008.com/issues/

Just keep an open mind as I have done with ALL of you...you are fortunate that you have made your choice already.....this is stressing me out with all of the research and comparing notes on ALL Republican candidates. I hate this RINO crap......it's like asking people to define the word "justice". How do you "define" the word justice if you do not live in a "just" society?

How do you define "Republican"? We may all (or most of us) be Republicans....but we are ALL different.....so how can that be defined?

 

 

 

My decision is made, and it is not made on the second amendment.

When I decided to become a Republican it meant small government, low taxes, equal opportunity and personal responsibility.

How things have changed.  The party has moved away from me.  I have not changed, but the party has moved drastically to the left.

 

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Republican: 1) Somebody registered in the Republican party. 2) Somebody who supports a republican form of government.

The two definitions may be, but are not necesarily the same.

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msbobbie said:

When I decided to become a Republican it meant small government, low taxes, equal opportunity and personal responsibility.

msbobbie....I couldn't agree with you more.....and my comment about the 2nd amendment was just to show that disinformation HAS BEEN presented.....we are trying to be FAIR and explore ALL candidates and give EVERY candidate a fair shake.

I envy you for finding a candidate that you feel good about supporting..... that's a beautiful thing.......wish I could get MYSELF to that point!

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FeedFwd said:

Republican: 1) Somebody registered in the Republican party. 2) Somebody who supports a republican form of government.

The two definitions may be, but are not necesarily the same.

 

But how would you further define (or describe) the "main characteristics" that would classify a person as a Republican? Do we ALL have IDENTICAL beliefs? Of course not....we are individuals from different walks of life, different upbringings, and different regions of the country. When I say define.....I wanted you to think about what YOU think makes YOU a republican. Was there a specific President or political leader that influenced you at a young age in your life? Were you "born into" a Republican family?

My family roots leaned heavily towards Democrat....my father is a staunch conservative (old school, born in the early 30's)...my mother? I still can't figure her out.....says she's Republican, she's registered as Republican- yet she had the nerve to vote for Perot? We didn't speak for several weeks after that......and this is someone I LOVE DEARLY. 

 

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Most kids are really conformists, no matter how much they don't want to be.  They will be what their parents were, or possibly what all their friends are.  Some kids are truly rebellious and will be the opposite of their parents.  They may or may not be influenced by friends.  Over time, we have seen regional affiliations and political affiliations.  For whatever reason, the left has gravitated toward the democratic party and the right has gravitated toward the republican party.  It is a pretty gross generalization as you can see from all of the wannabe candidates.  The parties provide so much support for a candidate in virtually any election, that independents can rarely win and virtually never in major elections like president.  For some reason academic and media types drifted left and consequently into the democratic party.  Unions and blacks were sold into the democratic party long ago.  Now there is an awakening and they don't vote as lockstep as they used to.  But in the end, it doesn't matter as much about the party as the candidate.  The party provides the infrastructure to get a candidate elected, but within some reasonably wide range, candidates can come in many degrees and still run as republicans or democrats.  As the defining differences narrow and the people see less ability to make a difference, they become more disengaged, which is what has happened for some time now.  In the end, the expression "politics makes for strange bedfellows" applies in spades.  The party is only interested in growing so it becomes more powerful.  Most candidates have become so self-serving, you can't believe much of what they say and you can be sure they aren't looking out for you.  So it doesn't matter what I think the republican party is.  It doesn't really drive and support our republican form of government anymore.  It only wants to control the government.  Until we are able to reign in government and take political power out of the equation for motivation, we are going to have these kinds of problems finding decent candidates.

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Don't you think that's kind of sad feedfwd? It's like losing your identity or having it stolen right out from underneath you. I used to be proud to be a Republican.....thought it represented the true Patriot in me- I really want that feeling back....that feeling that I matter as an American- that ALL OF OUR VOICES count......that this is truly OUR COUNTRY and no one can take it away from us. 

I especially liked this line from your last post....and so true:

Feed Fwd Said:

Now there is an awakening and they don't vote as lockstep as they used to.  But in the end, it doesn't matter as much about the party as the candidate. 

Great post feedfwd....lots of great points to think about. Are you sure you weren't a philosopher in another life? I may start calling you Aristotle instead of Feedfwd!

   

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(CM) BiotechBabe said:

msbobbie said:

When I decided to become a Republican it meant small government, low taxes, equal opportunity and personal responsibility.

msbobbie....I couldn't agree with you more.....and my comment about the 2nd amendment was just to show that disinformation HAS BEEN presented.....we are trying to be FAIR and explore ALL candidates and give EVERY candidate a fair shake.

I envy you for finding a candidate that you feel good about supporting..... that's a beautiful thing.......wish I could get MYSELF to that point!

 

I did not mean for that to sound like I was directing my comment at your second amendment comment, BTB.  Sorry if it did.

We have to decide what is important to us.  Patti sounds like she believes everyone should vote for the person that can beat Hillary.  To me beating Hillary is not important if we get something just as bad as she is.

My priority is the Sovereignty of our nation.  I believe Tom Tancredo is THE ONLY candidate who can preserve it.  I TRULY BELIEVE he can beat Hillary, and no voter will feel they are casting their vote for the lesser of evils. 

That is why I am blogging on the forums in early primary states.  I am urging independent voters in early primary states to change their registration and help America by voting for Tom in the primary.

"Don't sit there hoping he wins.  Help make it happen!"

 

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