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March 18, 2008 12:28 PM |
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There are still those on this forum who, somehow, despite all warnings to the contrary, see no danger in the SPP, who somehow just can't quite buy into the fact that the CFR is really who runs things around here. How many warnings is it going to take? The Hudson White Paper admits the problem that SPP completely lacks "transparency and accountability." Hudson freely admits "the exclusion of Congress from the process"; constituents who contact their Congressmen discover that Members know practically nothing about SPP. Not only is America, asleep, Congress is asleep as well. Listen up, folks......there is - NO Congressional oversight with the SPP!.
Indeed, SPP is very "innovative." The arrogance of SPP's "design" to give the executive branch full "authority" to "enforce and execute" whatever is decided by a three-nation agreement of "civil service professionals," as though it were "law," is exceeded only by its unconstitutionality. Hey, who cares about constitutionality anymore? Do we maybe see a pattern here with the executive branch? Is there just maybe some connection between this and the infringement of our 1st and 2nd amendment rights? There were just recent threads on "Martial Law" and the "Real ID". It is beyond me why some just can't comprehend that this is all going in the same direction.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell
March 18, 2008 02:11 PM |
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It's not that we don't care about constitutionality but what can we as citizens do if Congress can't do anything? This is W's big plan for the U.S. and his friends in Mexico and he is going to do everything he can to implement it before his term is up. I don't see how in the world he can get away with this but apparently he is. I guarantee you that McCain, O'Bama or Hillary won't do a thing to stop it either. It's all about the elite. I'm telling you that sooner or later we are going to have to take up arms against our own government. The bottom line is that it is all about greed. All those involved are doing nothing but looking out for their own pocketbooks and the hell with the rest of America.
March 18, 2008 02:23 PM |
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Ron Paul is still in the race non CFR will write his name in if necessary WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANY CFR CANDIDATE. Some don't agree but I am all for impeachment of Bush, Cheney and Pelosi. Signed petitions and write letters. In my opinion no difference in republicans and democrats they are in bed together. Greed and Power is all they are interested in.
March 20, 2008 11:26 AM |
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Mammaw said: It's not that we don't care about constitutionality but what can we as citizens do if Congress can't do anything? This is W's big plan for the U.S. and his friends in Mexico and he is going to do everything he can to implement it before his term is up. I don't see how in the world he can get away with this but apparently he is. I guarantee you that McCain, O'Bama or Hillary won't do a thing to stop it either. It's all about the elite. I'm telling you that sooner or later we are going to have to take up arms against our own government. The bottom line is that it is all about greed. All those involved are doing nothing but looking out for their own pocketbooks and the hell with the rest of America.
Congress.... Congress...... Congress? ? ? ? Congress is not the solution to the problem, they started and still are the problem. Don't be their fool! CONGRESS IS THE PROBLEM! Please remember that.
Well, wait a minute, actually WE are the problem, because We The People, The Masters of the Government that We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, WELL you know what, we haven’t been around to watch that which We The People “instituted”. We have let them, CONGRESS, go far beyond their just powers in the legislation that they have foisted on us.
Unless you are willing to vote out ALL LIBERAL freedom (from Government) hating Socialist / Communist (get as much pork for free) Congressmen, which remains to be seen, you can forget about Congress. To even mention the name Congress, when talking about resolutions to this problem, is patently insane! At least until the American public at large has been smartened up (as opposed to dumbed down) with regards to the matters at hand.
One of the problems is that there are too many people who want stuff for free, like free health insurance and soon they will want free or government subsidized gasoline. Don’t you people understand that there is no such thing a free? If the cost for this doesn’t come out of your pocket, it will come out of the job you used to have as a result of destroying our economy by way of destroying our freedom with the advent of Socialism / Communism birthed by its maternal but debilitating elicit drug like nourishment of “free stuff” otherwise know as “bringing home the bacon” pork barrel. Some day, this I can foretell, God will punish us for our sins. The sin of “free stuff” is the mother of Socialism. Every time you vote for a liberal Congressman, in my opinion, you are committing a sin against God, for you are surely part and parcel of taking away the unalienable rights that he has bestowed upon us. That, solely by definition, is blasphemy in the highest order. And that is at least one of the reasons we can not rely on Congress to resolve these matters, but rather, to compound them.
You know Liberals demand that Government provide “free stuff” to everybody who isn’t rich. You know that. And that is the reason why some vote for them. And that is the reason that these Liberal voters are Socialist and/or Communists also by definition. They also refuse to hear that such actions result in the EQUAL distribution of misery and poverty. They refuse to acknowledge that Freedom (from Government) is the greatest history proven generator of individual wealth for the masses of people, ever known to mankind as proven in the history of The United States of America.
March 20, 2008 11:28 AM |
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And another thing!
Who is constantly trying to pass Amnesty which is part and parcel of the first step toward the NAU?
CONGRESS! Don't be their fools! Congress IS THE PROBLEM! Remember in the movie "The Patriot" Remember Benjamin Martin at the Townhall meeting regarding the "levy" and voting on whether the State should go to war with the rest of the colonies? Benjamin Martin: Why should I agree to trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away?
March 20, 2008 05:16 PM |
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The SPP is planning another summit meeting next month (I believe in New Orleans)-----I just found this old article in my e-mail - do you think possibly we could contact the representatives listed below who originally had concerns and ask them to monitor the New Orleans meeting?
August 20, 2007Congress Tells Bush: Back Off SPP Agendaposted by Lee By Jerome R. Corsi (Emphasis Mine)Twenty-two members of the U.S. House of Representatives – 21 Republicans and a Democrat – are urging President Bush to back off his North American integration efforts when he attends the third summit meeting on the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America next week in Montebello, Quebec.They make it clear that continuing any such agenda at this point would be disregarding growing apprehension in Congress about the plans. “As you travel to Montebello, Canada later this month for a summit with your Canadian and Mexican counterparts, we want you to be aware of serious and growing concerns in the U.S. Congress about the so-called Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) you launched with these nations in 2005,” the letter said. While the letter authors express their support for the president’s “desire to promote good relations with our neighbors to the north and south,” they are worried about the secretive manner in which SPP is being conducted and concerned it “may actually undermine our security and sovereignty.” “For instance,” the letter said, “measures that would make it easier to move goods and people across borders could have the effect of further weakening this country’s ability to secure its frontiers and prevent illegal immigration.” The letter also cited documents obtained by Judicial Watch in a Freedom of Information Act Request that suggest, “Such secretiveness seems not to be accidental.” Signatories to the letter included the following members of the House of Representatives: Rep. Terry Everett, R-Alabama Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-California Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colorado Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas Rep. Nancy Boyda, D-Kansas Rep. Walter Jones, R-North Carolina Rep. David Davis, R-Tenn. Rep. Phil Gingrey, R-Georgia Rep. John Boozman, R-Arkansas Rep. John Duncan, R-Tenn. Rep. Virgil Goode, R-Virginia Rep. Tom Price, R-Georgia Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, R-Florida Rep. Sue Myrick, R-North Carolina Rep. Jo Bonner, R-Alabama Rep. Gary Miller, R-Calif. Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa Rep. Greg Walden, R-Oregon Rep. Michael Rogers, R-Alabama Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, R-Michigan Rep. Robert Aderholt, R-AlabamaRep. Todd Akin, R-Missouri (This conservative seems to be a champion to the American people, and most especially to Christians.)
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell
March 20, 2008 06:01 PM |
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My congressman did not know about "Building a North American Community" until I had his intern read it and he said he would. I received a letter from him that indicates he did because of what he told me about what is driving illegal immigration. He, Ed Royce, R CA, is not on the list of congressman above, but Rep. Gary Miller is. Miller's district include part of my very zip code and his district office is about a mile from my home. But Ed Royce is my congressman. I spent a significant amount of time talking to him about my concerns. He even said he would go on FireSociety. The upshot is that he wrote me a letter in which it is evident that he has now awakened. Letter from a Congressman (posted by msbobbie) is on FireSociety to read. It is up to us to awaken our politicians one at a time. They are patriotic, but far too many do not have a clue. Although this is hiding in plain sight, it is still hidden from most Americans including those we assume are informed. Talk to your congressman personally whenever you are given the chance. Take a copy of "Building a North American Community" and give it to him with a list of passages that are of particular concern. Provide the page numbers and underline or highlight. We can increase the numbers of the informed in Congress significantly by taking this into our own hands.
March 20, 2008 06:40 PM |
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Good Post, John, but how sad is this when we have to do their work!
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell
March 20, 2008 07:12 PM |
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I posted on another thread that we all need to contact our senators and representatives with our concerns about the NAU. We need to do this before the next meeting. And Capt. Karl you are wrong that illegal immigration is the first step towards the NAU. It is the other way around. When the NAU becomes a fact no one who enters this country will be illegal because we will be one big happy union.
March 20, 2008 08:04 PM |
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In the past Congress has ignored these meeting. Fast Track gave them a reason for saying that they were not involved. The CFR and the executive branch were given a free rein. The authorizarion for Fast Track expired some time ago, and to my knowledge has not been renewed. The American people have every reason to demand that their Senators get involved. It is their duty to bring any agreements between foreign nations before Congress. The power to write and administer treaty agreements is delegated to Congress by the Constitution. The fact that these meeting are still taking place and action is being taken on what is discussed without the oversight of Congress should be unconstitutional.
March 21, 2008 02:12 PM |
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Mammaw said: I posted on another thread that we all need to contact our senators and representatives with our concerns about the NAU. We need to do this before the next meeting. And Capt. Karl you are wrong that illegal immigration is the first step towards the NAU. It is the other way around. When the NAU becomes a fact no one who enters this country will be illegal because we will be one big happy union. I see your point. My main point is The Federal Reserve needs to tax more people and bring them into the fold of direct control in the reign of their Matrix domain. I have read articles that Amnesty was a lead up to the NAU. But I see your point. Makes sense.
March 21, 2008 06:01 PM |
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Labrador said: Good Post, John, but how sad is this when we have to do their work! Actually, we are doing the work we are supposed to be doing and that is holding them accountable and educating them as necessary. The problem is they have been able to get away with murder because no one was watching the house. Therefore, it is reasonable to argue that we are the problem for being apathetic. The more all of you get in their faces the better. Keep it up. And drag others into the fray. And fast.
March 21, 2008 06:14 PM |
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Greg Badger said:Labrador said: Good Post, John, but how sad is this when we have to do their work!
Well, Greg - you are absolutely correct! At least about the accountability part. We are the ones responsible for the mess we're in - we have no one to blame but ourselves! We've been in this mess for longer than most of us have been alive and it just keeps accelerating! But how can these clowns NOT know about matters of government? And now we have to point it out to them, hi-light it in yellow and draw funny faces on the documents so they can understand it?
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell
March 21, 2008 06:38 PM |
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Capt. Karl, did you know this came from Stephen Yates? ... Neo has long suspected that something is amiss without being able to put his finger on it. It was this something that drew him into hacking and into the world of computers generally. His presence became known to Morpheus (Laurence Fishburne), leader of a band of rebels fighting to free the human race from bondage to the artificial intelligence. Of course, Neo’s nocturnal computer explorations have also become known to the “agents,” living programs who service the artificial intelligence. The first half-hour or so of the film is a race to see which side can get to him first. One of the rebels, Trinity (Carrie-Anne Moss), hacks into his computer and lures him to a Gothic nightclub. There she confronts him with his unease: “I know why you’re here, Neo. I know what you’ve been doing. I know why you hardly sleep, why you live alone, and why night after night you sit at your computer. You’re looking for him. I know, because I was once looking for the same thing. And when he found me, he told me I wasn’t really looking for him. I was looking for an answer. It’s the question that drives us, Neo. It’s the question that brought you here. You know the question just as I did.” Neo: “What is the Matrix?” Trinity: “The answer is out there, Neo. It’s looking for you. And it will find you, if you want it to.”
March 21, 2008 06:46 PM |
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Labrador said, "But how can these clowns NOT know about matters of government? And now we have to point it out to them, hi-light it in yellow and draw funny faces on the documents so they can understand it?" I'm trying to figure this out. I'll report back mid-April. In the meantime, keep the pressure on...
March 22, 2008 01:59 PM |
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Greg Badger said:
Yes, I use the movie as an anology all the time. It is hard to get people to understand how these things could happen, in a way they can fully grasp it. It is absolutely extraordinary how exacting the movie line matches reality, a world that only exists in our minds, programmed by the ultimate Matrix System --- The Federal Reserve System complete with (IRS) "AGENTS" But actually Greg, This is what I have to say to "The Matrix" The Federal Reserve System: I know you're out there. I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin. I'm going to hang up this post, and then I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you. A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries for "Americans". A world where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you.
March 22, 2008 05:23 PM |
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Capt. Karl, There is something about "The Matrix" paralleling current events. This is going to get very interesting.
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