Was 9/11/2001 really why we are in Iraq?

Look at this and then make your decision

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inyCkCvqRO0

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Just to add some facts that can actually be VERIFIED - plus some logic - to counterbalance the spin in that little vid:

1.  If those plans and such really were presented to Bush only 10 days after the inauguration, then they would have had to have been prepared BEFORE the inauguration - those suckers take TIME to prepare and compile - which means that they had to be the product of Sick Willie's (mis)Administration.

2.  Unknown or unremembered by most Americans - thanks to almost ZERO reporting on it by the Willie-worshiping media - the airwar over the "No-Fly Zones" in Iraq was escalating rapidly during the last couple years prior to the 2000 elections - http://www.historyguy.com/no-fly_zone_war.html - meaning that if algore HAD won the election, then HE would have had to have a briefing similar to what supposedly was given to Bush.  Sick Willie handed off a LOT of problems to WHOMEVER would be the next butt sitting behind the desk in the Oral Orifice.  Sick Willie's spineless foreign policy disasters (Mogadishu, the embassy attacks, etc.) laid a virtual minefield for whomever took over after he left office.

3.   Given the track record of See B.S. (kronkite, rather, et al), I wouldn't trust them to accurately report that the sun set in the west tonight.  Yet one has to wonder WHY they held back that "report", since they've shown ZERO inclination to hold back on anything else that might jeopardize national security secrets or smear the current Administration.

Could it be a lack of verifiable - credible - evidence?  Hard to say, but then again, that never stopped dan blather from spewing his forged document story....

4.  A rational person might ask why it's taken THREE YEARS for that little vid to "suddenly" pop to the surface.

5.  A clear-thinking person might ask HOW the author of that youtube vid arrived at his/her editorial conclusions, since they fly in the face of the simple plodding sloth-like pace of ANYTHING that has to make its way through the bloated bureaucracy in D.C.

6.  If - as that vid asserts - there was a "plan" for the "occupation of post-Saddam Iraq", then why wasn't it APPLIED after we toppled Saddam?

7.  If - as that vid asserts - there were all kinds of plans that were to make oil companies richer from IRAQI oil, then why didn't that happen?

8.  I debated about asking this next question, but honesty demands it:  Is it not possible that his fights AGAINST the so-called "Bush Tax Cuts" made him just the least bit resentful?

One can only guess what possessed Bush to make O'Neill the SecTreas, since O'Neill's most applicable previous experience was as Deputy Director of the US Office of Management and Budget from '74 to '77....meaning he saw first hand how jimmah "PeanutBoy" cahtuh's budget stupidity led to one of the worst stretches in the American economy since the Great Depression.....

Long story short:  there is no story here.

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We are in Iraq because of 9-11, not oil. We freed the people from Saddam.

Nuff said.

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MahaRushie37 said:

We are in Iraq because of 9-11, not oil. We freed the people from Saddam.

Nuff said.

 

What did 9/11 have to do with Iraq?

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O2Cav91 said:

Just to add some facts that can actually be VERIFIED - plus some logic - to counterbalance the spin in that little vid:

1.  If those plans and such really were presented to Bush only 10 days after the inauguration, then they would have had to have been prepared BEFORE the inauguration - those suckers take TIME to prepare and compile - which means that they had to be the product of Sick Willie's (mis)Administration.

2.  Unknown or unremembered by most Americans - thanks to almost ZERO reporting on it by the Willie-worshiping media - the airwar over the "No-Fly Zones" in Iraq was escalating rapidly during the last couple years prior to the 2000 elections - http://www.historyguy.com/no-fly_zone_war.html - meaning that if algore HAD won the election, then HE would have had to have a briefing similar to what supposedly was given to Bush.  Sick Willie handed off a LOT of problems to WHOMEVER would be the next butt sitting behind the desk in the Oral Orifice.  Sick Willie's spineless foreign policy disasters (Mogadishu, the embassy attacks, etc.) laid a virtual minefield for whomever took over after he left office.

3.   Given the track record of See B.S. (kronkite, rather, et al), I wouldn't trust them to accurately report that the sun set in the west tonight.  Yet one has to wonder WHY they held back that "report", since they've shown ZERO inclination to hold back on anything else that might jeopardize national security secrets or smear the current Administration.

Could it be a lack of verifiable - credible - evidence?  Hard to say, but then again, that never stopped dan blather from spewing his forged document story....

4.  A rational person might ask why it's taken THREE YEARS for that little vid to "suddenly" pop to the surface.

5.  A clear-thinking person might ask HOW the author of that youtube vid arrived at his/her editorial conclusions, since they fly in the face of the simple plodding sloth-like pace of ANYTHING that has to make its way through the bloated bureaucracy in D.C.

6.  If - as that vid asserts - there was a "plan" for the "occupation of post-Saddam Iraq", then why wasn't it APPLIED after we toppled Saddam?

7.  If - as that vid asserts - there were all kinds of plans that were to make oil companies richer from IRAQI oil, then why didn't that happen?

8.  I debated about asking this next question, but honesty demands it:  Is it not possible that his fights AGAINST the so-called "Bush Tax Cuts" made him just the least bit resentful?

One can only guess what possessed Bush to make O'Neill the SecTreas, since O'Neill's most applicable previous experience was as Deputy Director of the US Office of Management and Budget from '74 to '77....meaning he saw first hand how jimmah "PeanutBoy" cahtuh's budget stupidity led to one of the worst stretches in the American economy since the Great Depression.....

Long story short:  there is no story here.

 

02 - it has been widely reported that Bush planned invading Iraq long before he did. 

http://www.gnn.tv/articles/article.php?id=761

There is a story here - and the fact that you are still under the impression it's a republican vs democrat - "who's at fault" blame game - is proof that you don't have a firm grasp on the council of foreign relations and their bipartisian plan of globalization (quest for money and power by elites on both sides of the aisle).

 

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amfirst, read through my post again, and you'll see it's got ZERO to do with EITHER political party.

Sick Willie was an incompetent, opportunistic pecker-with-legs, whose complete lack of foreign policy knowledge can be laid directly at the feet of his "mentor" Peanutboy cahtuh.

 Incompetence and stupidity transcend political affiliations - ronpaul is a prime example of similar ineptitude on the other side of the aisle.

The whole POINT is that WHOMEVER ended up winning in 2000, they would have inherited the foreign policy nightmare that Sick Willie created, in addition to the 9/11 attacks - which had been PLANNED and IMPLEMENTED for YEARS prior to Bush taking office.

The SAME is true of the hashed-up mess that the UN had made of Iraq.

You can go ahead with your "globalization" kook-spiracy theories, but you need to make at least a nod of acknowledgement to FACT AND LOGIC.

Give it a try, will ya?

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Gave it a try , still does not compute . GWB had plans before he was president to go to Iraq and liquidate Saddam Hussein . It does not have to be written on all walls to be seen and then again who was the author ? A couple of very good questions raised by 02 Cav 91 himself . Who do you trust nowdays , the politicians and their cronies who would sell your country into another organization such as the NAU and defy your requests to secure our borders , or your own thought process ? I would trust my own dissemination of all pertinent findings rather than go headlong into war for the sake of two men (D.Cheney/GWB). Programming has been done and those who have been can't really be held accountable for falling lockstep into the formation of disinformation , they don't know they have been programmed . That is the nature of the beast , be glad you still have your own thought process intact and pray for the salvation of the OTHERS .

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Nice post O2Cav91.  I pretty much agree.

9-11 was a trigger.  Evidently, attacking one of our warships or embassy's or something in a foreign land is only significant enough to cause us to lob a cruise missile or two into the general vicinity and rant on TV.  When somebody comes into our country and hijacks the entire air transportation system and kills thousands in the process of destroying or damaging important national edifices, we are more inclined to get off of our collective butts and do something about it.  There were reasons (the merits of which can be debated) for attacking Iraq that had nothing to do with 9-11.  We probably wouldn't have without the 9-11 event.  So while 9-11 wasn't the reason for attacking Iraq, it was the triggering event that caused America to finally lash out against terrorism and its enablers.

It was difficult to win the hearts and minds of our enemies in WWII, where we had a similar culture.  It has proven to be nearly impossible in Asia and the middle east, where our cultures are dissimilar and often in conflict.  We apparently have yet to learn this.  Until we do and unless we decide to force our will on others, we will likely continue engaging in one protracted police action after another.

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There are none so blind as those who refuse to see:

I don't know how any one who claims to be a patriot or an American with a brain, can with all the information available still believe that 9-11 was planned by Isamic terrorists or that Iraq had anything to do with it.  G.W.Bush was more than likely handed the plan of 9-11 after being appointed to office, and saw a good excuse to go into Iraq for daddy and thier oil barron friends.

  Why any of you who think any of the Presidents we have had since Esenhower were not part of the NWO, is beyond me.  Maybe its the need to feel we have a choice or to blame it on an indavidual, playing victom to "What they did" who knows???  I do know this

 Its our FAULT. Yes that means you to, we were all to damb busy making money, raising the kids, recreating, watching the tube or whatever your lame excuse is, that WE didn't take notice as our country was being stolen from "We the People".   We believed that our elected officials would actualy do the job and didn't bother to watch them.

The government our founding fathers formed and layed out, REQUIRES the participation of the citizens for it to survive and function, that means all the time not just when its convieniant.

 Iraq: Our involvment there is part of the NWO agenda to change or destroy a culture that won't play ball with the globilization movment, hence lets give them "Democracy" the NWO knows how to manipulate a democracy very well.  Our "Government"/ NWO dosn't give a rats behind for the "freedoms" of the people anywhere in the world, only thier profits and ability to control people/economies and the bottom line.  Your tax dollars at work

  I read the posts on this site and wonder what most of you think is going to happen, the hand of God going to interceed for you, so you don't have to do anything, just complain???

  There seems to be very little action taken and even fewer solutions offered, and those few of us who do make sugestions are redily ignored infavor of more complaining.

 Don't worry slaves don't have to make dissicions or think to hard, so most of you won't notice any major changes in your life.  Niether do automatrons.

 

 

Tarkus said:

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see:

I don't know how any one who claims to be a patriot or an American with a brain, can with all the information available still believe that 9-11 was planned by Isamic terrorists or that Iraq had anything to do with it.  G.W.Bush was more than likely handed the plan of 9-11 after being appointed to office, and saw a good excuse to go into Iraq for daddy and thier oil barron friends.

  Why any of you who think any of the Presidents we have had since Esenhower were not part of the NWO, is beyond me.  Maybe its the need to feel we have a choice or to blame it on an indavidual, playing victom to "What they did" who knows???  I do know this

 Its our FAULT. Yes that means you to, we were all to damb busy making money, raising the kids, recreating, watching the tube or whatever your lame excuse is, that WE didn't take notice as our country was being stolen from "We the People".   We believed that our elected officials would actualy do the job and didn't bother to watch them.

The government our founding fathers formed and layed out, REQUIRES the participation of the citizens for it to survive and function, that means all the time not just when its convieniant.

 Iraq: Our involvment there is part of the NWO agenda to change or destroy a culture that won't play ball with the globilization movment, hence lets give them "Democracy" the NWO knows how to manipulate a democracy very well.  Our "Government"/ NWO dosn't give a rats behind for the "freedoms" of the people anywhere in the world, only thier profits and ability to control people/economies and the bottom line.  Your tax dollars at work

  I read the posts on this site and wonder what most of you think is going to happen, the hand of God going to interceed for you, so you don't have to do anything, just complain???

  There seems to be very little action taken and even fewer solutions offered, and those few of us who do make sugestions are redily ignored infavor of more complaining.

 Don't worry slaves don't have to make dissicions or think to hard, so most of you won't notice any major changes in your life.  Niether do automatrons.

 

 

 

I agree with you but then I don't agree with you.  By that I mean NWO didn't start or cause WWI or WWII but did manipulated us both times into each war.  First by Letting a Ship get blown out of the water and the second by egging on Japan and ignoring the fact we knew Pearl was going to be attacked.  I'm not totally convinced that it was us who did 9/11 but I can see the manipulation that we could cause or make possible others to attack the towers.  The fact that Clinton did nothing about the first towers attack and even turned down custody of Osama enabled 9/11 to happen at least indirectly.  NWO involved with the Korean War, Viet Nam War and the Iraq war.

Bush said it is better fighting them over there than it would be here.  Well we were already over there.  We were already fighting them in Afghanistan.  Wouldn't that be a better place (safer for civilians) than putting two countries civilian populations in jeopardy.  That argument doesn't wash.  Having the 160,000 troops in Afghanistan with the 30,000 or so already there would seem to be a better choice of fighting our terrorist enemies.  Why do we allow them to grow poppies that earn great amounts of money that they in turn use against us.  The lack of logic defies explanation.   Why do they keep the troops outside of the country in Afghanistan and Iraq even in South Korea.  South Korea is begging us to remove our troops, why are they not sent to Afghanistan whos generals are begging for more troops, even our Marines want to go reinforce those in Afghanistan.  Why do troops have to make 3 or 4 or 5 tours when there are troops in South Korea that are not needed or even wanted?  They don't want them here.

Iraq has had weapons of mass destruction since Clinton's day and never used it against us not even in the first war with them.  Why would they be a danger to us all of a sudden 10-11 years later.  What could they have done to us here?  For that matter what can Iran do to us from here that we can't just blow them off of the map.  Worked against USSR who had literally 10s of thousands of Nuclear warheads not just one. 

If there were a terror threat here how come no fence in 6 years.  There's been more killed in the US by Invaders of America than combat deaths of both wars combined.  We have training camps in the US for terrorists.  New and old diseases are killing us thru lack of securty at our borders.  That is the governments main job.  Our security.  One cannot secure our safety overseas and not secure it here and say that they have fulfilled their oath.  You cannot call the government dumb or say that they just can't focus on their task to represent us.  I think they know exactly what they are doing and we as a apathetic people can't tell the difference between congress being inept or carrying out a well planned plot.  I actually don't think we are really after the oil, I think it is part of the manipulation which will eventually involve Russia and China.  So you should see that I basically agree with you.

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After the attacks of 9/11 it was clear that the threat of Islamic terrorism was a grave danger to our national security. President Bush said soon after the attacks that we would go after terrorists AND governments that supported terror. This crazy idea that the attacks were an inside job is used by liberals to smear President Bush. Do you believe Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnal? Get a grip, don't buy into that nonsense the liberals are selling.

 

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CLEAR--- Clear to whom ? Obviously not your politicians in the largest part or our borders would have been secured on 9/12/01 . What is so hard for people to see ? I know that no one wants to admit when they have been so easily HAD , but HAD it is and had it will be until those on capitol hill start doing the total job . Acts of derilection of duty are usually grounds for convictions in criminal courts , maybe that is why capitol hill blocks every attempt to enforce our existing laws which say employers are responsible for hiring illegals intentionally . Negligent hiring has cost many a company millions in lawsuits when the claimant proves that it is such . Time to wake up ,  citizens of the USA ( those who aren't already awake ) the train is upon you , get off the tracks and quit following them to your demise .

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MrT: If you are a true American patriot and not a "Plant" please stop spouting miopic BS, and google the huge number of "Other" evidence films and books on 9-11 when you have, lets disscus the evidence.

 If your unwilling to do that then you don't have a leg to stand on, and you fall into one of the following catagories.

1) Brainwashed with blinders on

2) Just ignorant and like it that way

3) Working for the people who would destroy this country, a TRAITOR 

and stop blaming everything on the liberals, alot of thier stuff is just good ideas poorly aplied.

theSuperPatriot: Please look this stuff up also, I'm not saying its 100% but it definatly points to major suspicious activity, on the part of our government and big buisness, and doubt on the so called evidence of who the attackers were?

 

Okay, Tarkus:

Fair enough, you have called me a plant, a miopic bullshit spouter, brainwashed, someone with blinders on, ignorant, and a traitor. Next I think you are supposed to say that a plane never hit the pentagon because there was nothing left, or the hole was not big enough or something. Here is video of an F-4 Phantom hitting a concrete wall:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwAhkRciO7k

 

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MrT said:

Okay, Tarkus:

Fair enough, you have called me a plant, a miopic bullshit spouter, brainwashed, someone with blinders on, ignorant, and a traitor. Next I think you are supposed to say that a plane never hit the pentagon because there was nothing left, or the hole was not big enough or something. Here is video of an F-4 Phantom hitting a concrete wall:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwAhkRciO7k

 

 

MrT., I'm beginning to believe it's futile to try and convince these conspiracy kooks elsewise.  Futhermore I'm also believing they are here to undermine our nation and help bring about its demise, and all under the cover that "they" are the true patriots.  Many are hinting at or even openly calling for States to secede.  I'll ask this again whatever happened to "Love it or leave it"?

 

Gerald47 said:

MrT said:

Okay, Tarkus:

Fair enough, you have called me a plant, a miopic bullshit spouter, brainwashed, someone with blinders on, ignorant, and a traitor. Next I think you are supposed to say that a plane never hit the pentagon because there was nothing left, or the hole was not big enough or something. Here is video of an F-4 Phantom hitting a concrete wall:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwAhkRciO7k

 

 

MrT., I'm beginning to believe it's futile to try and convince these conspiracy kooks elsewise.  Futhermore I'm also believing they are here to undermine our nation and help bring about its demise, and all under the cover that "they" are the true patriots.  Many are hinting at or even openly calling for States to secede.  I'll ask this again whatever happened to "Love it or leave it"?

 

 

What is so wrong about admitting to mistakes and LOVING IT AND CHANGING IT ?

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Thank you for the link, john larsen.

And regarding 02Cav91's following comment:

2.  Unknown or unremembered by most Americans - thanks to almost ZERO reporting on it by the Willie-worshiping media - the airwar over the "No-Fly Zones" in Iraq was escalating rapidly during the last couple years prior to the 2000 elections - http://www.historyguy.com/no-fly_zone_war.html - meaning that if algore HAD won the election, then HE would have had to have a briefing similar to what supposedly was given to Bush.  Sick Willie handed off a LOT of problems to WHOMEVER would be the next butt sitting behind the desk in the Oral Orifice.  Sick Willie's spineless foreign policy disasters (Mogadishu, the embassy attacks, etc.) laid a virtual minefield for whomever took over after he left office.

It sounds like this individual has done his or her homework, and that his or her powers of observation are quite alert. To this particular comment I would like to contribute the following:

Just a reminder to those that wish to blame 9/11 on Bush; a failed attempt was made in February of 1993 to blow up the World Trade Center during Clinton's term. The terrorists believed the building would collapse if a bomb was placed in the lower parking level. It did not bring the tower down, but there were 6 killed and more than 1,000 injured. In August of 1998, also during Clinton's term in office, two U.S. embassies in East Africa were bombed by terrorists, killing over 200 people. In October of 2000, also during Clinton's term in office, 17 American military personnel were killed by a terrorist attack on the U.S.S. Cole while it was taking on fuel in the port of Yemen. All of these events occurred before Bush ever took office in January of 2001.

Below are a few excerpts I've gathered through the years from editorials posted on the internet dating from 1996 to 1999, prior to G.W. Bush ever taking office.

While most Americans and many in Congress oppose our involvement (in Bosnia), the President (Clinton) claims that his promise is binding on us all, and that he will follow through no matter what Congress does...

Clinton overrode major concerns of senior Pentagon officials that the Administration has no clear-cut military goals (in Kosovo) and that the fighting will get bloodier as the weather improves. They believe this will seriously overburden U.S. ground forces already committed to other missions in the Persian Gulf, Bosnia, and Korea...

By putting U.S. troops in Kosovo, Clinton is provoking terrorist attacks by Islamic radicals connected to Saudi renegade Osama Bin Laden, who has declared a worldwide war on Americans. Even more dangerous, entering the Kosovo war may provoke terrorist retaliation within the United States. It's not only our U.S. troops that will be put in mortal danger. Bin Laden has stated unequivocally that all Americans, including "those who pay taxes", are targets. At a recent Senate hearing, CIA Director George Tenet warned against the danger of a stepped-up terrorist campaign, saying, "There is not the slightest doubt that Osama Bin Laden, his worldwide allies, and his sympathizers are planning further attacks against us".

Clinton's reckless meddling in Kosovo, Bosnia, Macedonia, Sudan and Iraq exposes Americans to retaliation from terrorists regardless of whether he achieves any phony 'peace' or actually sends in troops.

In light of what has transpired since Clinton left office, I think it would be safe to say that Clinton may not have struck the match, but he certainly stacked up the wood for the bonfire.

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If the threat of Terrorism inside the US were real after 9/11 the borders would be secure even a 5th grader could figure that out.

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Tarkus said:

theSuperPatriot: Please look this stuff up also, I'm not saying its 100% but it definatly points to major suspicious activity, on the part of our government and big buisness, and doubt on the so called evidence of who the attackers were?

 

What do you mean look this stuff up also.  I have more research on the subject then all of you guys put together.  But that doesn't mean that EVERYTHING is true or proved.  I look, listen, read and study then make up my own mind.  I have certain propensity towards some that can't really be proven one way or other.  It's kind of funny some of the things in the world that used to be true but are now false and some of the things that couldn't have possibly been true are actually seen as true.  Those who run the Government don't always do things directly such as Waco The Great Bank Run the Depression Invasion of Illegals and trading our sovernty thru treaties and such.  Often they do things indirectly such as WWI WWII Viet Nam etc.  Doesn't matter either way the results are pretty much the same.

The world is made up of an endless number of 'theories'.  Some are true some are false.  Just cause I believe or disbelieve doesn't affect their truthfulness or falseness. 

What I would like to know is that there is no truth to any of this why are folks chasing you guys around trying to discount you shut you up and call you guys names.  Seems more malicious than constructive and a failure to cure anything.

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MrT said:

Okay, Tarkus:

Fair enough, you have called me a plant, a miopic bullshit spouter, brainwashed, someone with blinders on, ignorant, and a traitor. Next I think you are supposed to say that a plane never hit the pentagon because there was nothing left, or the hole was not big enough or something. Here is video of an F-4 Phantom hitting a concrete wall:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwAhkRciO7k

 

My last post blew a hole in your theory that a plane did not hit the pentagon. Lets look at another favorite piece of the conspiracy theory, building #7. If we look at this video, from a collection of videos you and other say I must watch, we see that during the controlled demolitions there is smoke from the explosions coming out of the windows. We see no such explosions before or during the building #7 collapse. They also go on to say that Rudy Giuliani has a bunker in the building to oversee the attack. If his bunker was in the building why would they blow it up if it was an inside job? The truth is the attacks were carried out by Islamic terrorists. Here is the building #7 nonsense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5akpnIFK-RM

 

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