Are We Still A Sovereign Nation?

Sovereign means independent and free from external influence.

Just yesterday it seemed our government made decisions that were in the best interests of the American people. Today it seems just the opposite.

Since President Bush began pushing his NAFTA agenda it seems we have tied ourselves so closely to Mexico that Presidente Calderon feels free to meddle in our domestic policies.

Last week a Mexican political party, PAN, met in LA with Ex-President Fox present to try to influence AMERICAN voters with regard to illegal immigration and open borders.

Today my TV tells me Mexican meddling is accelerating and points out President Bush remains silent. Mexico feels entitled to interfere in American domestic policy.

We know President Bush wants open borders but why is he willing to allow the Mexican government to become so bold?

I am really beginning to wonder: ARE WE STILL A SOVEREIGN NATION?

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Suffering in AZ.1 said:

Sovereign means independent and free from external influence.

Just yesterday it seemed our government made decisions that were in the best interests of the American people.  Today it seems just the opposite.

Since President Bush began pushing his NAFTA agenda it seems we have tied ourselves so closely to Mexico that Presidente Calderon feels free to meddle in our domestic policies.

Last week a Mexican political party, PAN, met in LA with Ex-President Fox present to try to influence AMERICAN voters with regard to illegal immigration and open borders.

Today my TV tells me Mexican meddling is accelerating and points out President Bush remains silent.  Mexico feels entitled to interfere in American domestic policy.

We know President Bush wants open borders but why is he willing to allow the Mexican government to become so bold?

I am really begining to wonder:  ARE WE STILL A SOVEREIGN NATION? 

IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA STILL A SOVEREIGN NATION ?

I guess that would depend on your Constitution, and whether you take the appropriate measures to ensure that those you elect in fact uphold it.

In the meantime, there is some apparent evidence for the recent creation of a new "North American Union Police" force, as seen in this short clip on YouTube put online about three days ago (around 2 October 2007):

http://www.youtube.com/v/wJBZSzIh5Fo

 

As described on YouTube:  "IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Los Angeles, California, Protesters in Lynnwood CA. Never before has this occurred. Minutemen and Mexican Nationals join forces to condemn former Mexican president Fox. Secret unmarked police showed up with North American Union patches on their shoulders and 9MM hand guns on their sides."

 

This "NAU" police patch bears the same logo as the recently revealed on the back of North Carolina's new driver's permit, i.e. the SPP logo of North American Union as discussed at worldnetdaily:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57502

New North Carolina NAU driver's permit 2007

Posted by Habeas Corpus Canada 5 October 2007.

 

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Okay.  Nobody will touch this and I'm in the mood to write so I'll pose some questions.

Can independence be taken or given away bit-by-bit?

              I think so.

If your neighbors wants you to behave in a way that benefits them, but not you, do they have the right to come into your house and bully you until you capitulate?

              No.

If we expand the scenario to include Mexico as the bullying neighbor, who will stand up for us if our President won't?

What is President Bush's responsibility to the citizens of the country?

Lobbying influences lawmakers who frame laws.  Should a foreign country be allowed to influence our lawmakers to make laws that benefit Mexico?

American citizens have been under seige by various entities to give amnesty to millions.  Should the power of the rulers of a foreign nation be used against U.S. citizens?

 

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No we are not a sovereign nation, it just hasn't caught up with the population yet. Mr. Bush is a Globalist, all of his cabinet are globalist, most Federal Judges are globalist. I would go so far as to say that the Supreme Court Justices Mr. Bush has appointed to the courts are Globalist.

Thanks guys.

I just started this and it's already getting scary. 

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Thanks Lady Jane --

I watched the video.

I'm getting ready for the other shoe to drop because it's all playing out now, isn't it? 

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Yes it is suffering in AZ.1 - but the truth is that the more people that we get this out to the better the chance that we will have to put an end to it.  We are Americans and we will in the end stand our ground against the worst of them.  We just have to brace ourselves against the secret cops he has out there and now there is proof of it.  My guess is that they are none other then Blackwater!

Lady Jane said:

Yes it is suffering in AZ.1 - but the truth is that the more people that we get this out to the better the chance that we will have to put an end to it.  We are Americans and we will in the end stand our ground against the worst of them.  We just have to brace ourselves against the secret cops he has out there and now there is proof of it.  My guess is that they are none other then Blackwater!

 

There has to be a better way to get it out there.  These blogs are driving me nuts.  Some days I get just plain mean.  I used to say wake them up but I don't see that as the problem anymore.  They've been brainwashed.  Did you see the video of the ex-KGB guy?  

This country is going to be stolen by stupidity and attrition.  Some of us are just depressed and tired.  It's hard to believe that Calderon and Fox get away with their antics.  You'd think that Bush would at least make a showing of patriotic diligence. 

If it's Blackwater they're getting their practice in.  Glad to see they're out of the closet. 

 

 

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Just excerpted this from Phyllis Schafley in World Net Daily. Now all the deniers can see how the "elites" will put this SPP in effect.

 "Hudson explains further: "The design of the SPP is innovative, eschewing the more traditional diplomatic and trade negotiation models in favor of talks among civil service professionals and subject matter experts with each government. This design places the negotiation fully within the authority of the executive branch in the United States."

Indeed, the Security and Prosperity Partnership is very "innovative." The arrogance of the Security and Prosperity Partnership's "design" to give the executive branch full "authority" to "enforce and execute" whatever is decided by a three-nation agreement of "civil service professionals," as though it were "law," is exceeded only by its unconstitutionality."

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Sovereign Nation or Sanctuary Nation: Mexican consulates step up meddling in US politics

 

The Mexican consulates are well-funded, well-organized, and everywhere. Thanks to their influence, the Bush White House ignored homeland security warnings about the illegal alien Mexican matricula consular cards and allowed the phony baloney cards to proliferate as Treasury Department-approved ID. Mexican consular meddling has dangerously hampered border enforcement. Heather Mac Donald has reported exhaustively on the Mexican government’s growing power and influence in working to sabotage immigration enforcement efforts.

You can yank one Mexican flag down. But it’s an empty victory without the sustained energy and will to work within the law, and for the law, and hold our government accountable for its immigration enforcement failures.

Mexico is doing the job the American government won’t do: Putting its people first. If Washington won’t look after our interests, we have to take control in our own neighborhoods, counties, and states. That was the lesson of the summer that the Newark murders should have taught us.

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I think it's time President Bush and our government answered to the American people on this question.  Whose interests come first in America -- the interests of the American people or the interests of Mexico?

Are we now living under an "unwritten law" that states we must share our country with Mexico?  Has this unwritten law been articulated between the leaders of two nations, Mexico and the U.S., but not shared with the American people?

Has this unwritten law been expressed in NAFTA/SPP agreements, couched in terms that do not fully expound on its true meaning.  Is it a rule, a regulation, an agreement by handshake, understood but not expressed?

Exactly what authority gives our President the right to hold our borders open?  We know it's not the authority of the Constitution which calls for President Bush to defend us from foreign invaders.  

Under what authority does the President of the United States act, or fail to act to protect its people and its sovereignty?

Where did this new authority come from?  Our president must find it an authority above and beyond the Constitution of the United States.  Or, if it's just a rule or regulation can it not be changed before the business and the people of two nations become irrevocably entangled.

If President Bush acts on hidden/misrepresented/unapproved regulation written into trade and SPP agreements, should this regulation be articulated to the American people that they might understand what he is doing?

Shouldn't someone stand up and ask President Bush what he is doing and by what authority does he refuse to enforce our immigration laws as our individual states scramble to protect themselves from foreign invasion?

Why are the American people left to guess at the motives of our President on such an important issue? 

Mr. President, the people of this nation deserve to know your motives and the authority by which you act, or fail to act must be named. 

 

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 THIS TELLS EXACTLY WHAT PRESIDENT BUSH IS DOING AND HOW 

 

Oct 05,2007
Scholars explain president's plan for a North American Union
by Phyllis Schlafly

 

IF YOU DON'T MIND BEING LIED TO, MANIPULATED, PLAYED FOR A SUCKER AND DUPED -- DON'T READ IT. 

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The European Union was established using the same agenda being thrust upon us now except that the process there was much longer and the arguments for it there sounded better than they do here.

There were two world wars, various civil wars, and a Cold War that were largely waged on European soil. Europeans are very sensitive to peace and prosperity issues. And after the fall of the Soviet Union and the sudden rise of economic globalization (think China and the rest of Asia), Europeans had an open ear to elites driving for a One European Government. Still there were some misgivings among many there. They were and are affected by offshoring of their industries and jobs.

The year 1994 found many over in Europe talking about a United States of Europe like we have a United States of America. European countries, they argued were far too small to have efficient markets like the United States. They said that they could not compete with the United States because of our tremendous advantage in being unified in a single market with a single currency.

Prior to the launching of the Euro, the German mark was valued very low, much too low against the US Dollar where consumer purchasing power was concerned. After the Euro was  launched, (I am talking about the summer of 2000) the exchange was one Euro and ten cents for every U.S. Dollar. Today the Euro costs $1.41 U.S. and is still rising.

In 2000, the Euro was way too low and in 2007 the dollar is way too low. What is up with this? The powers that be would have you think that it is a variety of factors, in fact they will give you every reason under the sun. But there is a simpler explanation that cannot be simply dismissed as the U.S. is a haven for stability and relatively safe investment. Those other explanations simply do not fly with me.

Here goes: When the elites decided that they wanted the EU and the Euro, they began to scare Europeans so that they would support their agenda.  And it worked, they got what they wanted. They are now doing what it takes to begin to scare Americans so that they will again get what they want.

What did the average European get. Years of very little if any wage increases and although the Euro was officially valued at two German Marks, what had cost one Mark soon cost, in large part, one Euro. The same thing happened in other prosperous countries of the EU that adopted the currency. Germans have had their incomes effectively cut just about in half since 1990. All you hear in Germany and in other parts of Europe today is grumbling and complaining. Life is harder than it was.

What happened subsequent to the introduction of the Euro was that the rock solid credit worthiness of Germans and Germany was not used to finance investment in Germany, but rather used to finance investments in the poorer countries of the EU like Spain, Portugal, and Greece and elsewhere, especially in Asia. Today Germany no longer has the highest standard of living in Europe and the standard of living and unemployment rate of the previously much poorer Austria have significantly surpassed that of Germany. Germany is down the list significantly from the top of standard of living indicators in Europe.

The shock from the same type of unification with Mexico and Canada will be much greater here because Mexico is just too far behind us in skills, education, and its economy. The elites want to make Mexico as safe a place for investment as the U.S. by taking away the sovereignty of all three countries. And then all of the investment (at least for the most part) will flow to Mexico on American credit worthiness. We the people of the United States cannot afford this. The elites will prosper with this as they have in Europe.

Many in Europe (being socialist as most are there) argue that this was and is justified and that the stronger must make significant sacrifices for the weaker. Concerning Germany, one might make a moral argument about Germany's responsibilities in the light of th last century, but surely the vast majority of  those working in Germany today were born after 1945 and cannot be held responsible.

The rock solid credit worthiness of Americans and the U.S. has been and is being used to invest elsewhere. Plants, equipment and manufacturing are not being invested in here, but rather overseas by American companies that earned their position at the table on the strength of American know how and American blood and  sweat. This is an affront to everything we hold most dear and will soon tear us apart as a nation if left unchecked and unaddressed.

The elites now fear that China is and will not be as stable as they wish and that their money has not been as corrupting of elites there as they had wished. The communist party remains solidly in power. They want to use our money to build up Mexico, and the only way that Mexico will allow that is to be part of a union with the United States in which their elites will stay solidly in power and our real elites will openly take power. We must fight and win this struggle to determine our own destiny as a people and as a sovereign land.

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Suffering in AZ.1 said:

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It's normal on my screen.

                 Yes we are only as long as We the People keep it that way.  It can only be changed bit by bit, which is why we should remain ever vigilant and aware. Any entity whether it be the (dis)United Nation, SPP, or NAU that approaches that jewel should be watched very closely. The citizenry must guard it with the devotion of a mother bear over her cubs.  We are on a slippery slope, but not over the edge quite yet.

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John Wunderlich said:

Suffering in AZ.1 said:

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It's normal on my screen.

 

Thanks John.  I always knew I was abnormal!

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In theory the USA is still a sovereign nation. In reality, I have very serious doubts that We The Victims have any real sovereignty anymore.

First, I acknowledge the last comment by Jason Baker (moderator). With all due respect, We The People (or at least some of us, a minority) are ever vigilant. However, the truth is we have an insurrectionist federal-mafia godvernment. I'm on your website today because one of Grassfire's routine e-mails alerts me to the fact that treasonous political hacks are parceling AMNESTY and trying to backdoor it into "law" despite the very strong protests of We The Victims on numerous occasions.

How vigilent must We The Victimized People be? This has become a full-time, full-blown war between Us (the patriots) and Them (the traitors). If you don't believe this assertion, answer this:

Does Grassfire and/or the Fire Society have people working full-time?

The answer is "Yes". What work do you do?

You stay ever vigilant for anti-American, Constitution and Bill of Rights killing crimes against We The Victimized People. Correct? Yes, of course!

Your fine patriotic work would NOT be necessary if this nation was not being deliberately attacked & destroyed by domestic enemies. I applaud your efforts at Grassfire and the Fire Society. Many times I've sent e-mails to my traitorous so-called representatives in the federal-mafia godvernment. They are not vulgar, but you would probably ban them from this forum for being duly disrespectful and showing them the same scorn & contempt they show me with their ongoing & escalating treason against the USA. I cite proof (anti-US/anti-Constitution votes) that leave them no wiggle room to escape treason they already committed or contemplate.

To Suffering in AZ.1: Your questions are insightful and troubling enough that you already know the honest answers to them. They are basically rhetorical. Our sovereignty has been and is being sold to the highest bidders. Your link to Phyllis Schlafly's article about the Hudson Institute's white paper on SAPP (playing all Americans for saps) is basically a report on a mutual admiration society. The Hudson folks laud the CFR/SAPP traitors for their cunning at finagling the SAPP/NAU yoke on We The Stupid American Sheeple.

How can they get away with such treason?

Our moderator urges Americans to be ever vigilant. Great idea. But, this is full-time work. Treason is rampant and burgeoning in our criminal godvernments at all levels; federal mafia, state, county, city and local.

The Kansas City "Smart Port" that is designated to be the official 1st stop for customs inspections on the NAFTA Superhighway for mexican trucks hauling products made in communist China, was done by backroom shady deals granting a 50-year lease to mexican interests to basically own "sovereign mexican turf" in the heart of Kansas City real estate. There were strings attached to federal-mafia godvernment funding for other pogroms in the KC area if powerbroker muckety-mucks balked. Behind the mask of an NGO (non-godvernment organization) that is not accountable to We The People, US citizens in the heartland were betrayed. They opposed the selling out of their turf (the very few who knew about this secret scheme before it was fait accompli), but the traitors succeeded in committing treason, calling it good business.

Good business for who? Their answer is inadequate. A typical global elitist non-answer, pre-programmed reply.

John Wunderlich's nutshell analysis is an on-target prescient view of the USA's future. The dollar is deliberately being manipulated to drive down its value. This will cause financial hardships (it already has) in the US and trigger a real and/or perceived crisis. Galloping tTo the rescue will be the global elitist scheme to unify the US + socialist Canada + criminally corrupt beyond salvation mexico = the NAU, with its new shiny Amero.

The R&R mafia (Rockefeller-Rothchild globalist banker cabal) has manipulated the dollar before -read history- to drain wealth from the USA and funnel it to war-indebted Europe. Now they do it to deflate the dollar so their transnational partners who are captains of industry have strong economic incentives to outsource resources to slave labor nations such as China, NAFTA & CAFTA nations, and other SE Asia labor markets . . . AND to ensure that those holding many, many dollars (or bonds representing dollars) are not really owners of as much as they thought they owned. Introducing the Amero to supercede the dollar is like pushing the RESET button on your video game. Criminal godvernments do this when they want to devalue savings people in their nations made from the fruits of their labors. Overnight your savings are gone -- stolen my criminal godvernment through super-accelerated inflation; i.e., the RESET button. It's a classic transfer of wealth from the enslaved working class to the super-rich non-working thieves who run everything from their elitist ivory towers.

They hate national sovereignty. Especially American sovereignty. It represents freedom. Elitists can never have modern feudalism and serfs if freedom exists. Ergo, they formed the CFR, the United Nations, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, UNESCO, the TriLateral Commission, the Federal Reserve, and several other non-godvernment organizations to suck the life out of the world populace by economically enslaving them through taxation, inflation (a hideous insidious tax), and economic destruction of vibrant economies ~ national, regional and local.

They control all major media. They began getting this control 100 years ago based on a study launched by JP Morgan and pals. It reported to get control of the USA's 25 major newspapers would be enough to propagandize a majority of voters to do globalist, anti-US things whereby Americans hurt themselves and their posterity. They've expanded beyond the 25 newspapers.

Meanwhile, they fund -through their tax-exempt, above-the-law tax-free foundations- all kinds of anti-US NGOs such as the ACLU, Americans for Separation of Church and State, la Raza, MALDEF, MEChA, Southern Poverty Defense, LULAC, and any NGO that attacks "the American Way of Life".

SAPP, NAFTA/CAFTA and the NAU are some of the latest treasons against We The American Victims. To pass CAFTA, HoR's leader Dennis Hastert broke rules of the HoRs. The vote had a time limit. When Hastert, DeLay and el busho arm twisting had not delivered a winning number of votes to pass CAFTA within the time limit, Hastert - who set the time limit before voting began - let voting go for more than a hour until they had the lead, whereupon they immediately stopped the voting. The CAFTA treason passed by 2 votes. There were 2 non-voting HoRs and one who says his vote was tallied the opposite of his actual intent/vote. This means CAFTA could have failed. But, that is NOT what globalist puppet jorge busho wanted, nor its captain-of-industry cronies who want money & power reasons to outsource US jobs, import slave laborers if they cannot outsource US jobs, and/or reason to close business facilities in the USA to ship them to slave labor markets.

Who pockets the saving that captains of industry get by reducing labor costs? They lyingly claim such cost savings are passed onto customers. Have prices fallen on things you buy? They keep that money. They hoard that money and the power of economic enslavement that comes with it.

Those are our so-called leaders who lie by saying the USA still has national sovereignty. Out of the other side of their mouths with their forked tongues they make backroom deals forbidden from public scrutiny & watchdogging by selling/leasing control of Indiana's turnpike for 50 years to foreigners who keep all the tolls, which they have power to adjust to maintain the public road. The same is happening in the theft of private properties in Texas to build the TTC and lease it to Cintra; of Cintra-Zachry infamy.

These fearless leaders already indebted the USA for $9 trillon. Now they sellout future cash cow revenue makers to their global elitist cronies. This is plainly organized crime gone wild in corrupt godverment.

If anyone believes that's sovereignty, please educate me. I studied my enemies full-time for 6 years. What's written above is not even a drop in a teaspoon of crimes I discovered. We are not a sovereign nation anymore. But, we can fight to be sovereign again. We must be prepared to vanquish our enemies. It won't be easy.

With NAFTA, CAFTA, & GATT we lost our sovereignty.  LOST will erode our sovereingty even more.  What actually happens is a three person panel, the two disputing countries and a third from neither country.  As unpopular as the US is the third party will usually side against the US and their decision is final.  There went the sovereignty.  Suits are already in process.  Canada is suing us for almost a billion dollars having to do with maginese (sp) they use in their gasoline.

Organizationally, the most important change from the old GATT organization is the establishment of a binding dispute settlement procedure. It may be recalled that under the old version of GATT disputes were referred to a panel and the GATT Council could accept or reject the decision of the panel and on occasion even delay or prevent the panel's findings from being presented to the Council. Under the new procedures a Dispute Settlement Body is to be established comprising both panels to make initial determinations on a case and an Appellate Body. Panels will normally be three person panels and appeals will normally also be heard by a three person panel. Panels investigating a complaint will have the right to seek information or technical advice from anyone they deem appropriate. Findings and recommendations reached by the Dispute Settlement Body can include authorizing a country that has been aggrieved by failure of another to comply with its obligations under the agreement to take reprisals against the erring party

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