How about we start a revolution in Mexico?

I'd love to hear from Steve Eliot & as many of you patriots as possible on this possibility. 

  Ever since the Spaniards slaughtered the Mayans & Aztecs, Mexico has been run as a corrupt, criminal enterprise.  This will obviously continue to be the case far into the future unless something is radically changed. 

  What is also obvious is that our government is not willing to affect "regime change" as it has been in Cuba,(Kennedy), Iran,(Carter), & Iraq,(Bush).  What if we got together with Mexican patriots to fund & train revolutionaries to take the Mexican government from the drug cartels & ruling criminals to place it into the hands of the Mexican citizens?  Do you think the Mexican people want freedom or are they like the Arabs who only want to be ruled by someone who will beat the less than the last guy?  Such a move would necessitate a HUGE Minuteman/guard presense on our southern border to prevent refugees from fleeing north. 

  Yes, it would take huge amounts of time & money but bear with me here.  A freely thriving Mexico would have no need to export it's citizens here.  A democratric-style Mexico could put a bounty on drug growers & shippers which would stem the flow of drugs here.  Imagine how beneficial it would be to honor our free trade agreement with a free, capitalistic democracy instead of a latino mafia! 

  Further, we could tell the big mouth La Razists here to shut up & cure their own country instead of being cowards who run away to steal land & rights from others.  We could tell them to pull up their anchor babies & go fight for their country like brave men instead of hiding behind their women & children. 

   I'm talking about hiring Blackwater & similar mecernaries to help get the job done.  There will be guns & blood.  It will get ugly but not as ugly as American citizens taking up arms to defend our homeland against Mexican invaders!  We provide arms to the Mexican government as it is now.  Make no mistake, Hugo Chavez is arming South & Central American insurgents to spread communism throughout those regions.  It is only a matter of time before he arms the drug cartels of Mexico & turns them into his army to march like Hitler's troops north into Texas & California as our government enlarges the welcome mat to accomodate them.

  So far, the American people have defeated our traitorous government's attempts at amnesty & such.  In doing so, we are taking a defensive posture.  And we can be defensive up until the time all of our liberites & prosperity are given away.  Until we go on OFFENSE, our futures are in jepordy. 

  Frankly, I see this as the ONLY way to solve this problem forever.  Even a fence can be legislated away by a future liberal  government.  We need to make the Mexican people WANT to stay home!

  Please tell me what y'all think about this.  I may be a troublemaker but have no idea how one goes about starting a revolution.

XD9: I like your awareness of one of the best sollutions available, I'm not so sure that hiring Blackwater or merc's in general is workable, considering the traitorious government that sees the invasion as a means to thier ends, has a lot more money than we could ever hope to raise.  Not to mention they would more than likly see us as the threat and bring the same Merc's to bear on us.

There are a lot of ways to start a revolution,some good some not so.  Information and propaganda is usualy the best way, bring people into understanding and agreement with your vision (propaganda dosn't have to be "Bad") then give them a way to fufill the vision.  Getting people to believe they can accomplish something, that they should accomplish that thing and make the sacrafices to do so, is a daunting task at best.

Some of the things we can do at home would help them in Mexico (refer to my thread"Whats a citizen to do") for a few ideas.  We are up against a massive Propaganda machine, yet we don't seem to use our own resources to counter it. 

LaRaza tells the Mexican people they have a god given right to our lands and resources! reality is thier selling them and us into a slavery police state just like Mexico or worse down the line.  The information people are given is what they use to make decisions and dictates actions, if you want them to make different decisions with different actions, give them different information.

I can take (and do) $40.00 and print up 1,000 flyiers promoting any information I choose, this is easy to distribute in a hundred different ways.  Get a translator (one you can trust) and write some material then distribute it.  $40.00 or even$400.00 is a small price to pay to protect our country.

I'll post more ideas as they come, untill next time.

"Sleep lightly and keep your powder dry" 

Bobbyxd9.....Bobby, you are always ready for a good plan! I LOVE IT!

Tarkus said:

LaRaza tells the Mexican people they have a god given right to our lands and resources! reality is thier selling them and us into a slavery police state just like Mexico or worse down the line.  The information people are given is what they use to make decisions and dictates actions, if you want them to make different decisions with different actions, give them different information.

Tarkus....have you read the ART OF WAR? I would like to promote Tarkus and Bobbyxd9 to GENERALS of WE THE PEOPLE!

Your dis-information plot sounds fabulous......

They do need to go back to their own country like Bobby said and build their  OWN country....not ride on the backs of Americans who have been working their tails off for over 200 years!

After we marched to the Halls of Montezuma and WON the spanish American war....I am POSITIVE we PAID Mexico for the land we now call our own.....WE PAID FOR IT AND THEY ACCEPTED....ITS OUR LAND!

Great thread Bobby.....great post- and you too Tarkus ( I always like reading your posts!)

You are NOT being a trouble maker if your intention is to SAVE YOUR OWN COUNTRY! I would call that Patriotism Bobby.......

I know of a way to clear the illegals out of L.A.....but it would involve an awful lot of body bags..... 

(CM) BiotechBabe said:

You are NOT being a trouble maker if your intention is to SAVE YOUR OWN COUNTRY! I would call that Patriotism Bobby.......

I know of a way to clear the illegals out of L.A.....but it would involve an awful lot of body bags..... 

And what might ye be thinking be within?  Might it be criminal illegal alien employers?

Ahh!  But that be a brave thought, indeed!

Idea flash: Make a total and I mean TOTAL pest out of yourself with the authorities.  Call and report any establisment that hires illegals to what ever authority, not just for immigration violations but anything that might be a SAFTY, HEALTH, BUILDING CODES violation and Immigration issues.  Get others to do the same, pass around the list of numbers and who to call.  My experiance in the buracratic world (I'm an elected community rep) that whether they want to or not if they get complaints they will eventualy respond, the more the complaints the better the response.

The best way to make sure your niegbor dosn't take whats yours, is to make sure he has his.  Helping to ensure a healthy Mexican government and economy is the best way to elimminate the immigration problem, at least from there. 

Note: There are 275,000 cases of food poisoning in the US every year, 75% of them are attributed to resturant  employees not washing thier hands after going to the restroom, I wonder which ethnic group is the most prevailant offender on that??? Maybe the same one thats taken over most food service jobs in the U.S.? from a culture or enviroment that dosn't stress washing your hands?

BioBabe: We are much better off using the truth in our propaganda, not missinformation. A lie is a lie and can be thrown back at you, were as the truth acts like a bright light, causing the rats and roaches to run for cover.

"Sleep lightly and keep your powder dry" 

Tarkus Said:

Note: There are 275,000 cases of food poisoning in the US every year, 75% of them are attributed to resturant  employees not washing thier hands after going to the restroom, I wonder which ethnic group is the most prevailant offender on that??? Maybe the same one thats taken over most food service jobs in the U.S.? from a culture or enviroment that dosn't stress washing your hands?

AMEN! Well said tarkus... and the stats you state above are probably in reality HIGHER....a lot of cases do go unreported because people just think they have the 24 hour bug....

Tarkus said:

BioBabe: We are much better off using the truth in our propaganda, not missinformation. A lie is a lie and can be thrown back at you, were as the truth acts like a bright light, causing the rats and roaches to run for cover.

"Sleep lightly and keep your powder dry" 

You are right.....sounds like we really need to help L.A. elect this Walter Moore...put a REAL AMERICAN at the helm...not a La RAza member/supporter.

I have reported many illegals in my moderately sized community. My brother is the building inspector which helps. Last year I reported a house that was filled...and I mean there must have been 20 people living there.....I called ICE....they all mysteriously "disappeared" a week later. I don't know where they are or what happened- but I know my phone calls to ICE and adamant emails were the catalyst. I hope they didn't just "scatter" to another location within my city. I am still watching.

  One realization that has come to me is that I could never head up such an edeaver without learning to speak mexican.  Although I hate the thought, I fear it is in my future. 

  Something that will be a necessity will be a Radio Free Mexico to be broadcasted from our southern regions that could inform & incite the Mexican people into action.  Wehter we broadcast the truth or not matters little if it will get the Mexican peasants to rise up & take control of thier government.  Also, I'll need to set up websites,(do Mexicans have computers?), to let people know what kind of country they can have if they will put forth the effort & fight to get it.  There used to be a website,www.Wetbackwives.com that was put up by the wives of illegal aliens where they begged George Bush to enforce the immigration laws & send their husbands home so we may get some support there.  Surely, someone here must know some Mexican nationals who would be willing to work with us on these matters!

    L.A. is lousy with Mexican racists.  If we can shame them into growing the  testicles reqired to secure their own freedom & liberty in their own country, that will go a long way toward our goal.  There are also ways to start up a Mexican relief organization to obtain government money to help fund this thing.  Al-Quaeda, Hezbola, La Raza, & other such groups have gotten american tax money for their causes for decades.

  Let's brainstorm here people.  We will never retain our threatened freedom by sitting at computers.  We need to act!

OK - I say we recruit Olie to get a team together and go for it.  They could take out the corrupt government and the drug cartels and then take all the oil money and split it up between everyone.  They could do that Hillary Clinton thing where every child born gets $5,000 in Peso's to save for an education only if they stay in Mexico and go to school there from K to College.  That would be an incentive.  Also they could get free medical care by just showing up in the emergency room.  The could get food stamps and welfare benefits.  Just in Los Angeles alone illegal immigrants used $35 million in those two benefits in July!

LA County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich has announced that a new report shows illegal aliens and their families in Los Angeles County collected over $35 million in welfare and food stamp allocations in July.
 
 
In the report, illegals are said to have collected nearly $20 million in welfare assistance for July 2007 and an additional $15 million in monthly food stamp allocations for an estimated annual cost of $440 million. 
 

 “Illegal immigration continues to have a devastating impact on Los Angeles County taxpayers,”said Antonovich.  “In addition to $220 million for public safety and $400 million for healthcare, the $440 million in welfare allocations bring the total cost to County taxpayers that exceeds $1 billion a year -- this does not include the skyrocketing cost of education.”

I am sure they have enough oil owned by the government to provide for the millions getting a free ride.

LA County tax payers pay currently 1 Billion a year for illegal immigrants - hell - I think we should use that money to help hire Olie and his men.  We could have Antonio Vilaragosia allocate the money to a special - for my country fund (of course his country is Mexico, where his allegience is).

what about that?

BobbyXD9 said:

I'd love to hear from Steve Eliot & as many of you patriots as possible on this possibility. 

  Ever since the Spaniards slaughtered the Mayans & Aztecs, Mexico has been run as a corrupt, criminal enterprise.  This will obviously continue to be the case far into the future unless something is radically changed. 

  What is also obvious is that our government is not willing to affect "regime change" as it has been in Cuba,(Kennedy), Iran,(Carter), & Iraq,(Bush).  What if we got together with Mexican patriots to fund & train revolutionaries to take the Mexican government from the drug cartels & ruling criminals to place it into the hands of the Mexican citizens?  Do you think the Mexican people want freedom or are they like the Arabs who only want to be ruled by someone who will beat the less than the last guy?  Such a move would necessitate a HUGE Minuteman/guard presense on our southern border to prevent refugees from fleeing north. 

  Yes, it would take huge amounts of time & money but bear with me here.  A freely thriving Mexico would have no need to export it's citizens here.  A democratric-style Mexico could put a bounty on drug growers & shippers which would stem the flow of drugs here.  Imagine how beneficial it would be to honor our free trade agreement with a free, capitalistic democracy instead of a latino mafia! 

  Further, we could tell the big mouth La Razists here to shut up & cure their own country instead of being cowards who run away to steal land & rights from others.  We could tell them to pull up their anchor babies & go fight for their country like brave men instead of hiding behind their women & children. 

   I'm talking about hiring Blackwater & similar mecernaries to help get the job done.  There will be guns & blood.  It will get ugly but not as ugly as American citizens taking up arms to defend our homeland against Mexican invaders!  We provide arms to the Mexican government as it is now.  Make no mistake, Hugo Chavez is arming South & Central American insurgents to spread communism throughout those regions.  It is only a matter of time before he arms the drug cartels of Mexico & turns them into his army to march like Hitler's troops north into Texas & California as our government enlarges the welcome mat to accomodate them.

  So far, the American people have defeated our traitorous government's attempts at amnesty & such.  In doing so, we are taking a defensive posture.  And we can be defensive up until the time all of our liberites & prosperity are given away.  Until we go on OFFENSE, our futures are in jepordy. 

  Frankly, I see this as the ONLY way to solve this problem forever.  Even a fence can be legislated away by a future liberal  government.  We need to make the Mexican people WANT to stay home!

  Please tell me what y'all think about this.  I may be a troublemaker but have no idea how one goes about starting a revolution.

most interesting post . But our own pres BushCo loves La Raza . they serve his purpose of  distraction . the idea please's me if only to rid the racism of La Raza from our shores 

BobbyXD9 said: ... If we can shame them into growing the  testicles reqired to secure their own freedom & liberty in their own country, that will go a long way toward our goal. ...

Speaking of a lack of intestinal fortitude from this side of the border, it is alway amazing how rare the focus is on employers, including in this entitled forum thread.  (Notice how BB's temerity resulted in no response to the the above EE post).

Try this logic:  Illegal alien criminal employers start receiving fines and jail terms.  Other similarly situated employers, all of a sudden, get religion and fire their illegal workers.  Mexicans, and others to points south, leave en mass.

It is not up to us to foment revolution for them.  They can either clean up their own Latin American political sewers by whatever means they feel appropriate, or live with the consequences.  What we can do from this side is try to make sure none of OUR elites (amnesty types) try to thwart whatever they come up with by aiding and abetting their corrupt governments' opposition to reform.  That should be as concerted an effort, if not more so, than the recent successful attempts to stop amnesty legislation in our U. S. Congress.  This, by the way, is exactly the type of policy that George Washington suggested we take towards other countries.

If you think that the amnesty types here would never consider thwarting attempts by Latin Americans to reform their systems of government, don't forget to follow the money.  That cheap labor, and continued substandard living conditions in their countries, are what drives them here and lines the pockets of the amnesty crowd.

Incidentally, for you fence lovers/dictator lovers, the fence is being exposed as a total sham.  There are holes in it that remain unrepaired, allowing easy access to the US.  Those damaged portions are being included in the fence appropriations for the new fence, rather than ongong maintenance.  What is being built, as recently reported, is easily compromised with wire cutting tools.  Cool-Aide, anybody.

Employers, Employers..

Speaking of a lack of intestinal fortitude from this side of the border, it is alway amazing how rare the focus is on employers, including in this entitled forum thread.  (Notice how BB's temerity resulted in no response to the the above EE post).

Try this logic:  Illegal alien criminal employers start receiving fines and jail terms.  Other similarly situated employers, all of a sudden, get religion and fire their illegal workers.  Mexicans, and others to points south, leave en mass.

It is not up to us to foment revolution for them.  They can either clean up their own Latin American political sewers by whatever means they feel appropriate, or live with the consequences.  What we can do from this side is try to make sure none of OUR elites (amnesty types) try to thwart whatever they come up with by aiding and abetting their corrupt governments' opposition to reform.  That should be as concerted an effort, if not more so, than the recent successful attempts to stop amnesty legislation in our U. S. Congress.  This, by the way, is exactly the type of policy that George Washington suggested we take towards other countries.

If you think that the amnesty types here would never consider thwarting attempts by Latin Americans to reform their systems of government, don't forget to follow the money.  That cheap labor, and continued substandard living conditions in their countries, are what drives them here and lines the pockets of the amnesty crowd.

Incidentally, for you fence lovers/dictator lovers, the fence is being exposed as a total sham.  There are holes in it that remain unrepaired, allowing easy access to the US.  Those damaged portions are being included in the fence appropriations for the new fence, rather than ongong maintenance.  What is being built, as recently reported, is easily compromised with wire cutting tools.  Cool-Aide, anybody.

So, how are these employer sanctions,threats, etc working for us?

BobbyXD9 said: ...So, how are these employer sanctions,threats, etc working for us?

And is that YOUR lack of intestinal fortitude showing through?