I Have to Get a Blood Test Tommorrow is that Cruel and Unusual?

Judge Rules Against Tenn. Executions

By Associated Press

53 minutes ago

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - A federal judge has ruled that Tennessee's procedure for lethal injections is cruel and unusual punishment.

U.S. District Judge Aleta Trauger's ruling could halt an execution scheduled for next week.

A spokeswoman for the state attorney general's office said the office will decide whether to appeal after reviewing the decision.

Death row inmate Edward Jerome Harbison was scheduled to be executed early next Wednesday for the 1983 beating death of an elderly woman.

The order does not give him a stay of execution. The ruling says the death sentence remains until it can be lawfully executed by a valid method of execution.

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I think the judge in question should be given a blood test , to screen for drugs . He is on some serious stuff .

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Oh hell, why not just force the guy to watch a week's worth of "The View" or some other crap on tv.  Naawww, that would REALLY be cruel and unusual punishment!  

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Patsy, you are hilarious.  I'm really beginning to appreciate your posts.  Keep it up.

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Ever hear of a rope and an Oak tree?....Wow, I must be insane now huh?

It's like going fishing without a depth finder. It's called a rock and a rope. Just drop it over the side and measure the distance of the part that is wet and the part that is dry and come up with the value of he depth, or am I being redneck about this? Hahaha.

1983? Fry his ass!!!!

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(CM) Deerhunter said:

Ever hear of a rope and an Oak tree?....Wow, I must be insane now huh?

It's like going fishing without a depth finder. It's called a rock and a rope. Just drop it over the side and measure the distance of the part that is wet and the part that is dry and come up with the value of he depth, or am I being redneck about this? Hahaha.

1983? Fry his ass!!!!

I've always been a huge fan of "hang 'em at sunrise" in the public square.  How did we get from that to where we are today.  Now it's 20 years to execute them.

I'm also a big fan of the guillotine.  Swift, sure, painless and dramatic.

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These Judges are against death in all cases.  They again are trying to impose their beliefs on us.  There should be a law that any Judge that doesn't not live up to the law should be dismissed.  I hear horror stories about these activist judges and it makes me sick.  No jail for grown men that rape little children, like Vermont.  I'm sick of the excuses and complaints from political correct liberals and activist lawyers.  Where is common sense.

I think the complaint about lethal injection is not about the pin prick but the possibility that the person feels the suffocation but can't move to show us he can.

It all depends on the reason for jail and or the death penalty.  We have always tried to find more and more humane ways to kill people and to remove the possible guilt from the executioner.  

Ironically, the swiftest and least painful way to execute someone is the guillotine according to the experts. I think that the best argument against executions is the high percentage of false convictions that we seem to have.  It is better to spare a few guilty men or delay justice, than to kill someone who is innocent. 

I think that the death penalty has become less of a deterant than it ever was.  If we really wanted to reduce crime we would end the "war on drugs".  Most crime is drug related and our prisons overflow with non violent drug offenders.  We would kill the illegal drug trade by making it legal.  People should have the freedom to be stupid, they can now with alcohol.

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bcmiller said:

I think the complaint about lethal injection is not about the pin prick but the possibility that the person feels the suffocation but can't move to show us he can.

It all depends on the reason for jail and or the death penalty.  We have always tried to find more and more humane ways to kill people and to remove the possible guilt from the executioner.  

Ironically, the swiftest and least painful way to execute someone is the guillotine according to the experts. I think that the best argument against executions is the high percentage of false convictions that we seem to have.  It is better to spare a few guilty men or delay justice, than to kill someone who is innocent. 

I think that the death penalty has become less of a deterant than it ever was.  If we really wanted to reduce crime we would end the "war on drugs".  Most crime is drug related and our prisons overflow with non violent drug offenders.  We would kill the illegal drug trade by making it legal.  People should have the freedom to be stupid, they can now with alcohol.

 

The only reason the death penalty is not a deterrent is because it is RARELY used, these creeps and dregs of society get to live for a good 20 years on appeals, and many are commuted to life in prison, so, the "bad" guys take their chances as they know, 20 years of appeals is probably more life than they will have dealing drugs on the streets before some of their rivals kill them!

And no, we do NOT need to legalize drugs, why should I not only have to worry about drunk drivers, but millions more legally high on pot or cocaine or heroin driving???

WHERE IS THE FENCE??? That would stop a lot of the drugs!

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VeeBee said:

The only reason the death penalty is not a deterrent is because it is RARELY used, these creeps and dregs of society get to live for a good 20 years on appeals, and many are commuted to life in prison, so, the "bad" guys take their chances as they know, 20 years of appeals is probably more life than they will have dealing drugs on the streets before some of their rivals kill them!

And no, we do NOT need to legalize drugs, why should I not only have to worry about drunk drivers, but millions more legally high on pot or cocaine or heroin driving???

WHERE IS THE FENCE??? That would stop a lot of the drugs!

 

I think that, generally, we are in violent agreement here.  That is to say that we agree on the destination just not the directions.

Are you not now concerned about millions of people high on cocaine or heroin driving?  We need to do a cost benefit analysis here to see what really gets us to where we are heading.  

Don't you agree that the courts are clogged with these drug cases?  Prohibition didn't work and now we are doing it again.  How many more laws can be applied to us now, unconstitutionally, in the name of this war on drugs?  Don't you think the appeals courts would run faster if they were not over worked with drug cases?  Then we would have a faster road to execution.

Kids in bad areas who do not have a good jump shot wouldn't have the drug trade as a fall back profession.  Maybe that would encourage some education?  The fact that President Paul would get rid of welfare, eventually, means that the only way ahead is on your feet.

If you are killed by a high driver you shouldn't feel better that he was illegally high.  

WE could afford the fence if we didn't spend so much money on the war on drugs and terror and more freedom and prosperity at home would discourage drug use.  Even if people did ruin themselves it wouldn't be your taxes paying for their new liver either.

You can't stop drugs on the supply side.  They can get drugs in prison, how can we stop it in a free country?  The practical, fiscally responsible and constitutional answer are all the same.  I don't find that coincidental.  

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SuperPat - YES, you need to delay the blood test until modern medicine can come up with an alternative that is not cruel and unusual punishment!  Wait at least 24 years like this creep!  Wonder how his elderly female victim of 24 years ago would feel about the severity of a needle in his arm?

Glad I'm in Texas - we ain't bashful about it!  And yep, it is a deterrent - not one of those executed here has ever committed another crime - not even jaywalking!

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Has anyone ever had surgery ? I've had surgeries galore and the only way I knew I had pain was when I found out I was still alive . I have had my heart stopped completely and restarted ten times due to atrial fibrilation problems , only way I knew pain was when I found out I was alive . These kooks don't need to worry , they are not supposed to be alive to know there was any pain . SIMPLE

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bcmiller said:

Are you not now concerned about millions of people high on cocaine or heroin driving?  We need to do a cost benefit analysis here to see what really gets us to where we are heading.  

Don't you agree that the courts are clogged with these drug cases?  Prohibition didn't work and now we are doing it again.  How many more laws can be applied to us now, unconstitutionally, in the name of this war on drugs?  Don't you think the appeals courts would run faster if they were not over worked with drug cases?  Then we would have a faster road to execution.

Kids in bad areas who do not have a good jump shot wouldn't have the drug trade as a fall back profession.  Maybe that would encourage some education?  The fact that President Paul would get rid of welfare, eventually, means that the only way ahead is on your feet.

If you are killed by a high driver you shouldn't feel better that he was illegally high.  

WE could afford the fence if we didn't spend so much money on the war on drugs and terror and more freedom and prosperity at home would discourage drug use.  Even if people did ruin themselves it wouldn't be your taxes paying for their new liver either.

You can't stop drugs on the supply side.  They can get drugs in prison, how can we stop it in a free country?  The practical, fiscally responsible and constitutional answer are all the same.  I don't find that coincidental.  

No because once it is legal, it encourages millions more to try it because it IS now legal.  I for one, going to college in the drug induced 1970's, NEVER got into drugs because they were ILLEGAL, I did drink, but somehow, associating with sleazy drug people was not my style (like today, people ended up murdered over drugs, NOT the type people I personally want to hang with)--I probably would have been more accepting of it had it been perfectly legal and I could buy it at my corner Safeway stores!  With my friends and family, I don't think I am alone in these beliefs.

The courts are clogged with drug cases because we ALLOW them to be clogged, the laws do, it is the same with high speed car chases, if the law were to read "anyone involved in a high speed car chase from the police will immediately serve 2 years in jail, no questions asked, no "trial" no nothing, THEN after serving time you would go to court for endangering society, drunk driving, or whatever else the reason was you were running from the cops", it would very probably eliminate most of these stupid, dangerous car chases!  I feel the same way about brawls during baseball games, when a brawl occurs, and the bench is emptied, the game should be called immediately as a 'tie' game or a 'forfit' game so they get  no credit for it--that might stop some of that stupid fighting between baseball teams.  It happens because we as society ALLOW it to happen by not demanding stronger laws!

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I guess that we could always go back to the method of achieving the death penalty that God mandated - - - we could stone them to death.

 

Let's see the politically correct wrap around that! 

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Most people who die suffer some pain, discomfort,  breathing difficulty, fear etc--why should someone who has taken the life of another be any different. 

Terminal patients are given drugs to alleviate those symptoms.  Convicted killers who receive drug cocktails per lethal injection also receive a degree of sedation.   Why must he/she be guarenteed a painless, comfortable death?  Geez this could become an incentive for people to kill--an assured easy death!!

The Constitution does not provide for an easy death--yet!