Want To Read More About The Iraq War? Private Contractors!

This article is a pretty long read, but more than worth the time it takes!  It's time to do something different.  What the heck is going on when Bush's shadow forces are being paid more then our U.S. troops and not to mention that they have better equipment!

 

Things must change. 

 

http://weazlsrevenge.blogspot.com/search/label/Blackwater

I don't know how much I'd take as gospel from a pro-Arab leftist webblog.

 

Well, that is easily one of the scariest things I have ever read.  In the event that our government finally backs into a corner where we would have to take up arms to protect and defend the Constitution, I have always believed that our military would not fire on U.S. citizens on the orders of a government that had clearly gone rogue.  These guys would, however, and would probably enjoy it.  Supposition on my part, what do the rest of you think, especially those with military experience?

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See Ive read and heard about them outsourcing things in the war that servicemen should be doing but I didnt hear of it being actually fighting a war. I guess Bush cant get enough people to enlist and he cant draft unless he declares war. Not sure, someone correct me if Im wrong. It just seems common sense.

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If you take all the religion out of the article then you get the reality of what is going on.  This military for hire is Bush's shadow military and he will use them against us just like he is using them over in Iraq.  What is this thing our troops are fighting if not a war?  How many times have you heard it called a War on Terror?  This so called Shadow Government as they are called will stand against anyone that pays them.   How many more will there be by the time this is over?  This group of people have a vested interest in keeping this war going so that they can earn extra money.  Stop and think about how long this will go on if the price is right?  How many more of our U.S. military will die because of this so called war?  They want to stay there for the next twenty years.  Is that really what you want for your children and grand-children?  It isn't what I want, and I don't mind stating so... The longer this goes on the more likely it is that our own country will be involved in some kind of war whether it is culture or otherwise.  Some how this must come to an end so our troops will be here to defend their homeland against an obvious invasion that is going on right now under the noses of the citizens that are here in this country.  Something must change and it must happen soon to turn this mess around. 

Since at least one person suggested this article is from a dubious source, I checked with a friend of mine.  He a retired Marine and in a position to know the truth.  Here is his reply:

Interesting article, and in reply to your question, the answer is both YES and NO...

Blackwater is a real company, and hires mainly former SEALs and some Special Forces Types with special skills. If you will remember the three individuals cut up and hanged from the bridge after being burned (alive?) and left for all to see... Those were in fact Blackwater Employees.

How it works is this. A company (an example would be one such as Blackwater - there are others, the KBR mentioned in the article; KBR is the old Brown and Root Construction Company that helped "catapult" Landslide Lyndon into Congress when he was losing badly - seems they learned how to read "tombstones" for voter registration, hummm... KBR is well known for the ability to fall into the proverbial septic tank and come out smelling like a rose. They always seem to make money out of every war that comes along. During Vietnam (this is a true story) they bought concrete from Hanoi (read, Communist North Vietnam), had it delivered to Singapore under third party names (supposedly not directly traceable to either Brown and Root, or to Hanoi). They (B & R) then took delivery, took it up to South Vietnam and used it to build the United States Facility at Cam Ran Bay for the rehabilitation of United States Troops! How's that for making money off both sides?

The outfit that offered my wife and I a one year's contract in an advisory capacity in "installation security" in Iraq (Baghdad) was KBR - I didn't make the connection with KBR and Brown and Root until later. If you check far enough, you will find that the entire outfit is consolidated under Halliburton (Cheney is still connected with Halliburton, and has his money escrowed until he leaves the office of Vice President!). Needless to say, Halliburton/KBR and several other thinly disguised organizations make "mega bucks" off the conduct of the war, but it doesn't work quite like the gent says. He gives the impression that the U. S. Government is footing the bill - well, yes, but in a round about way. The Government puts out contracts to do (or perform) certain tasks and they are bid on by outfits with an inside track (B&R, ...a thinly disguised Halliburton fringe organizations, etc.) and win the bid. They obviously don't "under-bid" the contracts and then use the money to accomplish the bid-on tasks. How much they pay is literally nobody's business (as with any contractual work even in civilian life).

They (these companies) obviously they use the best of weapons, equipment, vehicles, and protective armor or they wouldn't attract many individuals willing to lay their life on the line! I think it comes under the heading of supply and demand in a round about fashion. The fact that the employees don't fall under the Military Law (UCMJ - Uniform Code of Military Justice) means that these gents can do what the government NEEDS to have done without having to play "Mother May I?" when they go out in the streets. Essentially, these mercenary (if you wish to use the term) can soldier in the classic fashion without worrying about having to take that one last second that may well get 'em killed!

So yes, the story is true, but is not quite as evil as it sounds! Either they want the job done, or they don't. The Military folks trying to play by the asinine ROE (Rules of Engagement) are playing you bet your "fanny" everytime they step into the streets, and the Iraqis know how to play the game and kill our people and make it look like it's our fault? The worst of all military worlds. The units like "Blackwater" get to play soldier as it is meant to be played, not tied to an artificially set of PC rules for the rest of the spineless world to see! A POX on the blighters!

I've played by both sets of rules (25-years in the Marine Corps and 4-years as a "paid civilian military expert" in the Mid-East.

I am not sure which is scarier, the fact that we are using mercenaries or the fact that we are using them because our soldiers are committed to a war then not allowed to win. I have said this before and I will say it again:  If we are not sufficiently committed to a war to win it as expeditiously as possible, then we have no business committing our soldiers lives to it.  I started out in favor of this damn war and now wonder how I could have been so stupid (or decieved).

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Isn't the purpose of war to kill the enemy, break their stuff, and put them out of business?  If there is a nasty job to be done, but the touchy feely people in congress don't want it done nastily, they leave no other option than to hire people who can get the job done. 

For some reason, I don't feel that these guys, even though they are so called "mercinaries" , would be the type that would fight for the highest bidder.  I wouldn't question their patriotism, only their incentive to complete the mission.  Maybe they should be paid on a piece rate for missions completed and bad guys killed. 

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I brought this very same thing out a while back and I was called practlically every name in the book as a Conspiracy Theory Artist. Ha! Thanks for posting this. It has long been known about Blackwater, etc. Ask anyone that is retired from the Military or, who may even be serving today.

That is not a Conspiracy. That is fact. Mercanaries, etc. are all real and still goes on today.

By the way. That's George Bush's little elite Army.

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It is good to see some of this finally coming out. For more type in "iraq for sale" that was banned by the Republican congress.

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They sent Blackwater into New Orleans. Tried to hold those people in the shelter. Would shoot them if they tried to walk across the bridge to escape.

You see how far down America has gone?

Cheney sure stays busy, doesn't he?

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But Sheilah that was the administrations way of helping New Orleans. They have not done much to help rebuild, most of that has been individuals, churchs and organizations

sorry off topic

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bugsygirl said: See Ive read and heard about them outsourcing things in the war that servicemen should be doing but I didnt hear of it being actually fighting a war. I guess Bush cant get enough people to enlist and he cant draft unless he declares war. Not sure, someone correct me if Im wrong. It just seems common sense.

 

Then why do people I KNOW continue to enlist? My daughter's friend just last week to the Army. My nephew enlisted this summer completed basic and now headed to Iraq  in a month. Not ALL contractors are BAD! Who exactly do you think is going to PROTECT YOU if we have another attack on our soil? Your dog? Your next door neighbor? Or sub-contractors and civilian militia along with many US soldiers stationed in the states.

I WOULD JOIN...but they don't take 45 year old women who want to kill extremist muslims!

 

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(CM) BiotechBabe said:

bugsygirl said: See Ive read and heard about them outsourcing things in the war that servicemen should be doing but I didnt hear of it being actually fighting a war. I guess Bush cant get enough people to enlist and he cant draft unless he declares war. Not sure, someone correct me if Im wrong. It just seems common sense.

 

Then why do people I KNOW continue to enlist? My daughter's friend just last week to the Army. My nephew enlisted this summer completed basic and now headed to Iraq  in a month. Not ALL contractors are BAD! Who exactly do you think is going to PROTECT YOU if we have another attack on our soil? Your dog? Your next door neighbor? Or sub-contractors and civilian militia along with many US soldiers stationed in the states.

I WOULD JOIN...but they don't take 45 year old women who want to kill extremist muslims!

 

 

People you know continue to enlist, BTB, because they are patriotic Americans who love this country.  If they were allowed and equipped to do the jobs they are trained for and risk their lives to do, we would not need an elite force of paid mercenaries.  Can you imagine how well our military could be equipped if they were getting the tax dollars that are going to Blackwater?

Many of the mercenaries may well be more loyal to the Constitution than to their employers, I hope so, but in the end they are highly trained, well armed, dangerous men whose loyalty is unknown if it came to a choice between the Constitution and the corrupted government.  My guess is that most of them would be gripped by that drug known as power that turned so many decent German men in to monsters in WWII.

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I am depending on myself! I am tired of the out sourcing of America. America is so dependent on other countries nowThey've even outsourced The American Citizens! They have to import them. And we are just told our borders will be open. We will accept the Illegal Invaders as poor little migrants!

You had better be dependent on yourself. Our government is helpless. They can't do anything if they wanted to. That's what you are told, by the Republicans, Bush can't stop it. We are in WWIII. You just haven't heard the shots yet!

Yeah, I'm Pissed!!!

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I'm also concerned with the reports out of Germany and Denmark today....they rounded up QUITE A FEW terrorists who were planning on attacking Ramstein Base, Frankfurt Airport (which I know VERY WELL) and bars and discos where American military personnel hang out on their days off. If they can't get us on our own soil...they will continue to attack American interests worldwide and it sounds like they are amping it up again. I agree that tax dollars could be better spent elsewhere instead of going to expensive contractors....but has anyone ever heard of hazard pay?

  

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The United States can not be invaded since Calderon say it no longer exists. According to Calderon "where there is a Mexican there is Mexico". Therefore since there are Mexicans all over what was the United States it is now all Mexico.

BUILD THE FENCE and we need some of BiotechBabe's catapults to ship the illegals home.

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(CM) BiotechBabe said:

bugsygirl said: See Ive read and heard about them outsourcing things in the war that servicemen should be doing but I didnt hear of it being actually fighting a war. I guess Bush cant get enough people to enlist and he cant draft unless he declares war. Not sure, someone correct me if Im wrong. It just seems common sense.

 

Then why do people I KNOW continue to enlist? My daughter's friend just last week to the Army. My nephew enlisted this summer completed basic and now headed to Iraq  in a month. Not ALL contractors are BAD! Who exactly do you think is going to PROTECT YOU if we have another attack on our soil? Your dog? Your next door neighbor? Or sub-contractors and civilian militia along with many US soldiers stationed in the states.

I WOULD JOIN...but they don't take 45 year old women who want to kill extremist muslims!

 

Can you tell me when in our history have we ever used contracted militia to fight our wars?  What is wrong with people that would accept this action as a way to handle our countries issues and sovereignty?  This is wrong and should be stopped......What makes anyone think that these contracted people wouldn't be the ones that would herd American citizens off to prison camps?  I'm guessing that not all of the people that are fighting in this group are American citizens?  Does anyone know for sure?  Are they really loyal to the reason the war is being fought or are they there just for the money?  Hummm, our troops are being paid 15,000 a year and they are being paid 120,000 every six months?  Tell me if you think they want this or any war to come to an end?  Now if Black-water was in New Orleans it wasn't something that was put out in the news.  As it stands they keep this pretty quiet and out of sight.  Why?  Because this is wrong and they know it. 

Biotech Babe, They are not taking care of our troops any better than they are taking care of anything else. They are using them, over and over, they still don't have the equipment they need. They say they are finally sending the armored vehicles they need. How many have died from being unprotected? They just a month or so ago got in the improved body armor. They won't allow the servicemen to try to make their vehicles they have there safer, because someone hads  some sold to our government and they don't want to  mess that deal up. Might cost that someone some $$$ What about our troops? What about the ones that do survive. With lost arms and legs. They put them in rat infested quarters, and the troops are supposed to be happy because they are back in the states and breathing.

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Off subject but will make you more angry

Visit http://cnn.com/loudobbstonight to read Lou’s
latest commentary on the blatant hypocrisy of Mexican President
Felipe Calderon, who demanded this weekend the United States
surrender its sovereignty, abandon the rule of law and accede
to Mexico's inherent supremacy. 

A follow-up on the controversial comments made by Mexican
President Felipe Calderon, who used a recent speech to condemn
U.S. immigration policy and vow to defend Mexican citizens
wherever they reside. Political analysts say the comments were
a political tactic aimed at uniting a deeply divided country.
We’ll have that report.

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Sheilah said:

Biotech Babe, They are not taking care of our troops any better than they are taking care of anything else. They are using them, over and over, they still don't have the equipment they need. They say they are finally sending the armored vehicles they need. How many have died from being unprotected? They just a month or so ago got in the improved body armor. They won't allow the servicemen to try to make their vehicles they have there safer, because someone hads  some sold to our government and they don't want to  mess that deal up. Might cost that someone some $$$ What about our troops? What about the ones that do survive. With lost arms and legs. They put them in rat infested quarters, and the troops are supposed to be happy because they are back in the states and breathing.

 

I know Sheilah....another friend (on his 4th tour) John...has seen action in ALL of the hotspots....I pray he makes it home unscathed for a 4th time...although the mental aspects of war will be with him for the rest of his life. NOT ALL are in rat infested quarters. No Soldier ever comes home unscathed by the ravages of war....even if they are not "physically" hurt....they have seen TOO MUCH.....things no person should ever see...like good friends falling beside them in the heat of battle. My friend Eric is a civilian doctor....he served in Afghanistan 2 years ago. When we were kids he was the joker in our group. When I saw him 2 weeks ago, he was not the same boy I have known my entire life. No joking....no smile for me as was usual for the past 40 some years....he is changed FOREVER. He received a medal (can't remember which)....but when his convoy was attacked and a vehicle was blown up 3 trucks up from the one he was riding in...he ran up (with no gun, under direct fire from the enemy) to see if he could save ANYONE that may have survived the vehicle bombing. He also had his parents send him teddy bears (lots of them!) and the last part of his tour was spent giving free medical care to the Afghani children...and they all received a bear from him.

John WANTED to go back....he was not FORCED into 4 tours. Some do want to serve and I admire anyone who is currently enlisting knowing full well they may be sent to either Iraq or Afghanistan. THAT'S COURAGE AND LOVE OF COUNTRY!

They do have safer vehicles NOW....I guess it took awhile to figure out how to make them "IED PROOF"........

I am not knocking anyone...I just have so many people in so many different agencies SERVING ON OUR BEHALF...and ALL risking their lives every day for US. Yes, I even have a dear friend who works for one of those PRIVATE CONTRACTORS....he has been over there 5 times and will go back a 6th time this November. He is paid VERY WELL. I am proud of his service to our country even though he is considered a "civilian" with top secret clearance.

I KNOW we have so much wasteful spending...war is NOT cheap! 

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