SPP light: BUSH TO GIVE MEXICO $$$$$ FOR THEIR DRUG WAR

I know, and they want us to pay for it. Absolutlley absurd!!!!

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Certainly blows holes in the idea that SPP is all about NAU and Bush selling out/giving away our sovereignty and borderless nations and a blending of the three flags and CFR one world government and United Nations troops on American soil enforcing martial law and all guns confiscation and the writ of habeas corpus has been null and voided and blllllllllllllllllllllaaaaah, blllllllllllllllllllllaaaah, blllllllllllllllllllaaaah.

Scare mongering, sheesh! 

Neokookery, gimme a break. 

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Ok...I see you are trolling around again. Just like you were before. Ok, have it your way.

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BW, I don't even know why your here, except to cause problems. You don't think there are any problems at all, so why don't you go away and let the rest of us worry about our non-existence problems.

Oh yea, don't let the door hit you as you sTROLL out.

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It is quite obvious on how the Bush empire deals with the mexican / American drug trafficing already.....Border Patorl in jail!  It totally amazes me that the very same people we elect to speak for us on various government issues are the same ones selling us out to this nonsense.

I write letters to the editor in my local newspaper.  I am working one up now and if there is no objection I would like to add this site for some of the other folks out there that also write to our local paper and seem to feel the same way as I do.  I figure the more we get involved in the freedoms of the American people the better for all of us. 

I recently spoke to a person that works in a meat packing plant in our area.  He calls it "Little Mexico".  He said about 3 weeks ago he called the INS about the illegals working there and all they did was laugh at him! My best guess is that 75% of the employees there are illegals!  

A few years ago a local chief of police stated FOR THE RECORD and printed on the front page of the newspaper that; "Illegal aliens are good for the economy."  I about lost it and to wonder what part of illegal a chief of police did not understand.

 

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I was just in the Orlando Florida Airport and felt like I had landed in Mexico City by mistake.  At least 50% of the people were speaking Spanish.  A huge percentage of the TSA agents doing the Security Checks spoke in Spanish to one another through out the process and spoke very broken English or just nodded to "English speaking Americans".

When do you think all American citizens will be expected to speak Spanish fluently and English will be an "elected" language in the schools?

I wouldn't trust Bush to do anything about illegal aliens as he desperately wants to be one. 

 

First off, I want to thank SoveigrnMan for displaying such an informative thread. By now, most of know, especially on Fire Society how important this issue is. SovereignMan has made some very great points and always amazes me in his efforts to do so. This, I thank him for as We are The People, and We All on here have many different view points but seem to have one thing in common. Politic's as a whole and We are All in this for Agents that are falsely accused of being in the wrong such as in Ramon, Compean, and The Hernandez cases. Illegal Immigrants ARE NOT LEGAL. This being the topic once again and How George Bush is dealing with the Mexican and Canadian Border issue's as We The People want to be protected against Terrorists, and the influx of Illegal Immigrants as well. We in America have a big issue on our hands that is taking down America's economy. Which brings me to point here:

Cinji1, by all means write, email and do anything possible. The more attention that Fire Society get's in my view, the better it is going to be for American's and to get a stop to the Illegal Drug Smuggling that is going on. There are many cases of it as we all know.

We are not on this topic to bang heads against each other, rather to strenghten our thoughts and post what we feel as long as it isn't hurting anyone.

We have a tool here that is bringing people together. Snide remarks such as Bwwhaley stated are not only rude, but is not accepted on any of the Forums Topics, although, We have the right to free speech, your intentions bwwhaley are not in the best interest of this thread. If you can't be civil in your writing's as many have felt that you are merely name calling, i.e. neo kooks, neo kookery and insults towards anyone will not be allowed.

Let's make this thread better by not paying any attention to him. Now Icon, I know you are offended by his remarks as are many, including me. I have already taken care of this last night. Let's continue on to make this thread a good experience and see what go's on from here. Thank you.

 

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I had heard in regards to Bush giving money to Mexico for fighting the drug war, that the drug cartels are even better funded and better equipped and stronger then the Mexican government, and there is alot of concern that the cartels will end up with that money and not the Mexican government. I just dont simply have any ideas though on how to eliminate those cartels. How do you know who belongs to them. Weve always had enemies and wars where everyone seems to look the same and its impossible to tell who the bad guy is. Here we at least have a chance, but there in Mexico , I cant see there being much of a chance.

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Is there a way to start up businesses in Mexico without them being taken over by cartels?

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You start at the very top in Mexico you know like the president there you will find the real Kingpin of all the criminal activity in mexico. I wonder how many billions Ex President Vincente Fox has in foreign bank accounts.

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I don't have that answer bugsygirl. All I can do is keep an open eye out.

Blaze, how would you go about this. You seem very well educated in this area. We know what Fox has or had. Alot of money, and I mean ALOT of Money..as per Calderon, what does he have and what do you have that can add as far as what to do in this case? I am all ears also. We have alot of questions, however, none of seem to have the answer's. Great point.

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Deerhunter, you the man. 

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Icon said:

BW, I don't even know why your here, except to cause problems. You don't think there are any problems at all, so why don't you go away and let the rest of us worry about our non-existence problems.

Oh yea, don't let the door hit you as you sTROLL out.

 

I posted what I did because of a continued desire to bring balance to any topic I'm interested in. If you read the article for what it ACTUALLY says you should note the value of the proposed SPP. If a major complaint of Americans is that of drug trafficking and it is addressed through cooperative efforts between the U.S. and Mexico that is a good thing unless you are so antiMexico and antiMexican you can't recognize how our two countries need to work together.

Did you notice the fact that Mexico is hesitant to accept monies from the U.S. and stated its reasons for the country's hesitancy? That needs to be overcome.

If you were aware of any history with respect to Mexico you would also be aware that it is one of the very few nations in the entire world which has never accepted United States foreign aid, never. While the majority of nations have in the amounts of billions upon billions of dollars, Mexico hasn't. What should that tell you. Well it should tell you that it values its sovereignty and has never wanted to be beholden to it's "rich uncle" to the north.

Using SPP as a scare tactic is absurd. If the U.S. and Mexico and Canada as three sovereign nations agree to help resolve problems with terror networkings, drug trafficking, and prosperity and you see in it a conspiracy and use that to try to sabatoge such efforts between the nations then I think you are a kook. That's my point.

And if you're someone who thinks they have special knowledge because of some hack attorney or private dick tracy in your family then I want to know what that special knowledge is. In fact, I'm going to send a PM to Sean and ask him about that attorney and private dick checking on me and others and using private information given to them by anyone with access to it through registration here. If someone's brother in law hack attorney and his practice in Austin, Texas is doing illegal investigations I'll check with the state and see what it thinks about the practice since Texas regulates PI very strictly through its Department of Public Safety and licenses can be quickly jerked for illegal activities. I know others have written me PMs wanting to know the same thing about these subtle threats about having an attorney and his private investigation company checking into private information on the forum's members. I don't think Sean and Steve would approve of it.

P.S. I just sent a PM to the FireSociety and will look forward to their response.  

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Understood Deerhunter. The more I learn the more questions I have that dont ever seem to be answered. And even if someone could in the forum, they still arent the one with the power to change anything. Sad. FRom what Ive learned of human nature though also, a person that claims to be good, doesnt make them good. There are simply people who know how to get illegals things through legal means. The one who dont are in prisons.

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The Embassy of the US for Mexico lists the amount of US foreign aid received by Mexico through USAID in 2004 at $33 million. This on-average annual and re-occurring aid package comes on the heels of a $20 billion 1995 US aid package.

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Icon said:

The Embassy of the US for Mexico lists the amount of US foreign aid received by Mexico through USAID in 2004 at $33 million. This on-average annual and re-occurring aid package comes on the heels of a $20 billion 1995 US aid package.

 

If you look again you'll note it was cooperative efforts not handouts.

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Excuse me? Illegal Investigations? Ha, now that's a falicy if I ever heard one. Hack? Now that's calling the kettle black if I must say so. Not only is my brother in law an Attorney in Austin, Texas, but also Investigated numberous upon numberous cases as far as Retirement Homes for abuse problems and also worked under Johnny Cochran, Morgan Colling and Gilbert. Now known as Morgan and Morgan. No hacks there bwwhaley. In fact, you just made a very bad mistake in your statement. You do what you think is neccessary. I think you are the paranoid one here. I merely stated a fact as to what my brother in law does. Not one word about him being a hack. It's your intention to put words into other people's mouths as you constantly do on here. Get off of your soap box. You make no good point and this thread does not need you on here making false accusations towards anyone, especially me when I was simply replying to SoverignMan. Back out of my conversations.

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Think “prohibition”. Think about how illegalizing booze was the very thing that made it expensive, and empowered the Mafia, and the corn squeezers. But of course that requires personal responsibility, and that, for some, is painful. I don‘t drink even though it‘s legal. And I don’t sniff MEK or paint because it’s cheap and easy to obtain. Nor would I do cocaine or marijuana, but legalization would take the money right out of that business, and cripple the cartels that way, and save billions in tax dollars, in terms of enforcement, at the same time. I don’t like drugs, but they exist, and there’s no law imposed by government that will change peoples habits that I am currently forced to pay for in some variation. Further, when someone gets hooked, then let them appeal to a church, friends or family members for help, not the government.

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Also, I don't hide behind an Elephant. Ha. End of discussion. Back to the topic please. Good point there Icon.

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