CANDIDATES MUST PLEDGE TO PARDON BORDER AGENTS

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Save Our State Demands Presidential Pardon Pledge
Requests Presidential Candidates Sign Pledge to Pardon Ramos and Compean

(San Bernardino, CA) – In response to the injustice suffered by Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean and their families and the refusal by President Bush to pardon these agents, Save Our State demands that each presidential candidate sign a pledge to pardon the agents on the first day they take office.Senator Diane Feinstein and Senator John Cornyn have called upon President Bush to commute the sentence of these two persecuted agents. Numerous members of Congress have called on President Bush to pardon these two agents. Save Our State believes that of all the issues related to the heated illegal immigration debate, that none have the bipartisan appeal evidenced by the support for Ramos and Compean. “A miscarriage of justice cuts across party lines and we are hopeful that each candidate will sign our pledge,” stated Save Our State spokeswoman Chelene Nightingale. “Bipartisan support would place a tremendous amount of pressure upon the President to pardon these agents and allow them to return home to be husbands and fathers once again.”Save Our State is calling upon traditional media outlets, talk radio and the blogosphere to hold each candidate accountable and to demand that they take a clear and direct position on the pledge to pardon Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. Individuals seeking more information and who would like to sign a petition to request each candidate to sign the pledge are invited to visit our website at PardonPledge.com.Founded in 2004, Save Our State is a preeminent and rapidly growing anti-illegal immigration, grassroots organization that is committed to educating citizens about the disastrous effects of illegal immigration. We are committed to improving our communities through activist advocacy. For more information, visit PardonPledge.com or contact Chelene Nightingale at media@saveourstate.org.
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Hi!  U.S. Congressmen and U.S Presidential Candidates Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo have already Promised that they would Pardon and Free wrongly imprison former Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean if they become U.S. President.  Presidential Candidates Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, John McCain, and almost Presidential Candidates Fred Thompson have Not promised that they would Pardon and Free wrongly imprison former Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean if they become U.S. President.  I think, belive, and say that we should only consider voting for either U.S. Congressman Duncan for U.S. President or Tom Tancredo for U.S. President.  (For me Personally, I am leaning towards voting for U.S. Congressman Duncan Hunter for U.S. President.)  I say that we forget about voting for Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, or John McCain for President.

Brack said: Hi! U.S. Congressmen and U.S Presidential Candidates Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo have already Promised that they would Pardon and Free wrongly imprison former Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean if they become U.S. President. Presidential Candidates Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, John McCain, and almost Presidential Candidates Fred Thompson have Not promised that they would Pardon and Free wrongly imprison former Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean if they become U.S. President. I think, belive, and say that we should only consider voting for either U.S. Congressman Duncan for U.S. President or Tom Tancredo for U.S. President. (For me Personally, I am leaning towards voting for U.S. Congressman Duncan Hunter for U.S. President.) I say that we forget about voting for Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, or John McCain for President.

 

I'm not unsympathetic to what you'd like to see happen in the BP Agents lives but I certainly disagree with how you want to go about getting it done. WHAT A SLIPPERY SLOPE!!! We are going to require candidates to pardon people? Now and then, of course, until some one wakes up and comes to their senses. Every presidential election will then be accompanied with a laundry/shopping list of names which must be promised to get a pardon if the candidate wins. That's way too over the top for me. I wouldn't vote for a candidate who went along with that type of political blackmail if it meant my own mother getting a pardon.

Sometimes well intentioned people scare the poop out of me, seriously.

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Man I couldn't agree with you more!!  I'm strongly leaning toward Tancredo at this point but if we can get ALL the major candidates to make this pledge it may put more pressure on those in power now to act in this matter.  Iv'e met enough of the Ramos & compean families to know that I want to help them.  I donate money to them often so that won't lose their houses while their husbands are in prison.

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Sometimes bw ya just gotta do what it takes!  By the way my post was in referance to Brack's.  I guess bw & I were posting at the same time & his got posted first.

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BobbyXD9 said: Sometimes bw ya just gotta do what it takes!  

 

I understand the sentiment, and it's not the first time I've heard it applied in many different situations.  But I respectfully disagree with it because I've not ever seen it applied that it didn't lead to a worse situation then what it was intended to accomplish.

Conservatives gripe about special interest lobbyist and here it is being suggested that an Extreme Form of Special Interest Lobbying become a litmus test on candidates all over two convicted defendants when the nation's prisons are full of convicted defendants who are wailing at the top of their lungs that they were wrongfully charged, unfairly tried, and unjustly convicted.  If the appeals process works, fine.  If President Bush commutes their sentences or if he pardons them, fine.  But to make their cases and their cases only a part of a presidential candidate's pledge doesn't work for me and won't get my support or backing.  I think it's too much of a fly in the ointment. 

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Is it too much to ask for candidates &/or elected rulers to act according to the will of the people?  How do you think we stopped the amnesty bill last month?

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BobbyXD9 said: Is it too much to ask for candidates &/or elected rulers to act according to the will of the people?  How do you think we stopped the amnesty bill last month?

 

We did not stop the amnesty bill we just put a little speed bump in the road. In case you have not noticed they are doing it a little at a time so us stupid americans will not notice. Arlen spector stated the bill will be full force in January or February. Appeal and retrial or full pardon is the only answer. They are not guilty of anything but a stupid mistake. Nothing more than a traffic ticket.

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Maybe "blocked" would have been a better term.

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BobbyXD9 said: Is it too much to ask for candidates &/or elected rulers to act according to the will of the people?  How do you think we stopped the amnesty bill last month?

 

Bobby, we are not yet a democracy, thank God, although we are getting dangerously close to it.  Our elected representatives are not rulers.  This nation is a Republic with a Constitution and the Constitution divides powers between the three branches of our government.  We elect representatives to serve us in the districts in which we live, senators to serve the states in which we live, and a president to adminster the affairs of governance with respect to law enforcement and the bureaucracies the congress creates and foreign affairs.  Through both the presidency and oversight of the senate federal judges are appointed, including the judges of the Supreme Court which exists as the third branch of government which has only one duty which is to rule on the constitutionality of laws passed and how they are enforced so the rights and protections of both the states and the individual citizens are not violated.

The will of the people is not the same as mob rule.  In a Republic the minority is protected from the majority, the major reason the founders made certain they didn't create a democracy.  

We can't just give lip service to the doctrine and intent of the rule of law if we want to remain free and have personal liberties.

The amnesty bill wasn't halted or removed from the table just because of our faxes, phone calls, etc.  It was a Senate bill and went down in defeat because the senators representing the fifty states feared the political consequences of it being passed, but remember it was a fairly close vote so those who voted for it weren't fearful of their states' voting them out of office and felt they were doing the will of the people according to their states' will.  The bill never made it to the house for a joint vote where it may have been passed or completely defeated.  It was simply withdrawn for the present and will probably eventually come up again under a new administration.

We should feel free to make our wills known but if we believe in a representative government we have to acknowledge that the "will of the people" includes opposing views on issues.  We don't want a democracy if we are opposed to tyranny.

Political blackmail is nothing new but I hardly think we want to adopt it as an official means of electing a president.  As I said I would never vote for such a candidate because such a candidate willing to sign on in advance to a pardon for the BPs or anyone else is just looking for power and not to uphold our Constitutional Republic.  Two Border Patrol agents who have been convicted of felonies is no reason to tear down our form of government.  That is really a dangerous and slippery slope to tread upon. 

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You twist words to the point that debate sometimes becomes useless.

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Hi!  I have just heard and read that U.S. Congressman and Presidential Candidate Duncan Hunter was the first one to sign the new and important Pledge to Pardon and Free wrongly imprison Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean.  Way to Go Congressman Duncan Hunter!

BobbyXD9 said: You twist words to the point that debate sometimes becomes useless.

 

I sure didn't read any twisted words.  Straight as an arrow.  And I agree.  When did pardons for votes become the new way of funding a campaign?  Man, that's crazy stuff.  Sounds like something out of the old Soviet Union to me.

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Avery said:

BobbyXD9 said: You twist words to the point that debate sometimes becomes useless.

I sure didn't read any twisted words.  Straight as an arrow.  And I agree.  When did pardons for votes become the new way of funding a campaign?  Man, that's crazy stuff.  Sounds like something out of the old Soviet Union to me.

Well, maybe I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed but I think our representatives in our representative government should represent us & our views. 

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Well my friends, I guess this whole idea is down the toilet with the 3 liberal alien-lovers who are left standing in the presidential field!

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BobbyXD9 said: Well my friends, I guess this whole idea is down the toilet with the 3 liberal alien-lovers who are left standing in the presidential field!

You are correct.  The elite have seen to it that our choices have become so limited that reasonable requests for justice go unanswered.

Without naming names, there have been those on this forum title that have cautioned that we hold back on dangerous uncontrolled emotions, and let the system work to its logical conclusion.  We all have known instinctively were that course would lead.

All the facts are now out about how facts were withheld in the court case in order to get a conviction.  Lies were admittedly told.  Now the 5th Circuit is stonewalling in hopes that perhaps the impending financial crisis the country is facing will overshadow any demand to have recognition by the presidential candidates for this case.  But we do need to recognize who our Constitution's enemies are.  We need to recognize their demuring on the facts, which indicate they are in support of selfish outcomes, and not in support of justice.

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I will never believe a pledge by any of the three, never.  Once I see these border agents walk out of jail, with back pay and a nice lump sum ( out of Bushs' pocket)  for their troubles. I might start to believe in the system as it is again.

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On the other hand, When Ramos & Compean finally do get out of prison, they will be the Nelson Mendellas of our movement!  I agree that it makes absolutly no difference what these 3 stooges say, their words mean nothing.  They all seek the end of a Constitutional America.  I'll prolly just write in Ron Paul & be done with it.

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