OK, Ron Paul does not believe in government conspiracies, right? Ron Paul doesn't blame America first, right? Wrong! Ron Paul believes in all those things.
Republican presidential candidate, Rep. Ron Paul, said the country is in "great danger" of the U.S. government staging a terrorist attack or a Gulf of Tonkin style provocation, as the war in Iraq continues to deteriorate.
The Texas congressman offered no specifics nor mentioned President Bush by name, but he clearly insinuated that the administration would not be above staging an incident to revive flagging support.
"We're in danger in many ways," Paul said on the Alex Jones radio show. "The attack on our civil liberties here at home, the foreign policy that's in shambles and our obligations overseas and commitment which endangers our troops and our national defense."
Paul was asked to respond to comments by anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan that the U.S. is in danger of a staged terror attack or a provocation of an enemy similar to the Gulf of Tonkin incident in 1964 before the Vietnam War.
During the radio interview, Paul said the government was conducting "an orchestrated effort to blame the Iranians for everything that has gone wrong in Iraq."
The comments come as several prominent terrorism experts have warned the U.S. is facing an increased risk of attack this summer. Earlier this week, in an interview with the Chicago Tribune, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said he had a "gut feeling" the U.S. would be attacked again.
The remark angered some Democrats, who criticized Chertoff for being too vague. And some pundits seized on his remarks, saying the vague warnings were meant only to revive flagging support for the war in Iraq and Bush’s larger war against terrorism.
"Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ~ anonymous ~
Sitting here smoking my pipe and scratching my head over this one. No matter what comes to mind, I know if I post it I'll get attacked by some pro or anti faction. How's this:
Great post, Melinda.
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
Bizarre things do happen in life. I once encountered Elvis in a graveyard in the wee hours on a moonlit winter night. It makes me sound like a Big Foot trapper or a UFO enthusiast, but it's a true story. Again, I'm not pro or con on this article - just stating that life can be weird.
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
THe government's done it before. What's to stop them from doing it again?
Instructions on how to be a neocon. I support the troops who still have moral values, but I don't worship them. I do not support the occupation of Iraq. I believe the opposite of anything George W. Bush says and support Chuck Baldwin for President. I am a Mormon, Libertarian, 9/11 Truther, Alex Jones listener, Ron Paul supporter, and proud of it!
The really funny thing is where I found the article. I found it while lurking in Democratic Underground, one of the most vile liberal forums on the Net. They like Ron Paul over there. Anyway, I did a search because I will give even Ron Paul the benefit of the doubt but lo & behold the article is genuine.
"Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ~ anonymous ~
What is wrong with what said? Wow Melinda, you are really turning into the "vermin" that Michael Savage speaks about. Blame America First? Time to get off your Trotskyist high horse and actually learn about what our Founding Fathers taught us. We want liberty, you want government control of our lives.
There is no conspiracy here. You can say that 9/11 was "staged terror" in the sense that the federal government did not ACT upon the imminent attack, nor did they do anything to prevent it. The PENTAGON was attacked by a passenger airplane for crying out loud.
You don't think that a George W. Bush or a Rudy Giuliani or a Hillary Clinton type would just love for another disaster to happen so they can actually implement their agendas to grab more power or to STAY in power? Look at what FDR did while use WAR as an excuse. He completely disavowed the honorary two-term limit that George Washington established when he stepped down voluntarily after two terms. Let me guess, "who is George Washington?" right?
I'm not so much fearful of a staged terror attack as I am the real attack brought to us by the Theocracy of Islam's Jihadists. It was univited and not the result of our meddling in the affairs of a regional area of the world. The attack was real. The attack was not imagined. The attack was well planned, choreographed, rehearsed, and unfolded act by act upon the chosen stages: New York's Twin Towers, the United States' Pentagon Building, and an unintended field.
Our government didn't stage the attack, it was the object of the staged attack.
The attack wasn't an inside job. It was a job done inside the Sovereign nation of the United States of America.
The attack was no mere play or horror movie to scare or terrorize, it was an open declaration of war upon American citizens.
The attack was not acted out by a peaceful religion's hijackers, it was acted out by hijackers of commercial jet liners.
Ron Paul could and should do much better than "warn" of a "staged terror attack." He should step up, admit the attack was an Act of War declared by the world's Muslims' jihadist and speak clearly how he, as president of the United States, would defeat this warring enemy in his capacity of Commander In Chief. If he won't and can't then he needs to step off the STAGE of potential Republican candidates for office of the U.S. Presidency. It's important and it's about that simple.
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I'm not so much fearful of a staged terror attack as I am the real attack brought to us by the Theocracy of Islam's Jihadists. It was univited and not the result of our meddling in the affairs of a regional area of the world.
Is that so Esquire? I think you might benefit from being educated on foreign policy via the Ron Paul reading list that he and former head of the CIA Bin Laden unit Michael Scheurer assigned to Rudy Giuliani.
How can you with a straight face say that these attacks were not a result of blowback from our meddling in the internal affairs of middle eastern nations for over 50 years?
You say you're a constitutionalist Esquire, tell me where in the Constitution does it allow the federal government to put a hit on the leader of a sovereign nation to protect the oil interests of ANOTHER nation? You know what I'm talking about, when we installed the Shah of Iran in 1953 to protect the interests of British Petroleum (BP).
How can you, with a straight face, say that the attacks were uninvited and not a result of blowback when we have had bases with 10's of thousands of troops on their holy land, that was uninvited by the people who live there?
Can you, with a straight face, say you wouldn't have these same feelings if Washington allowed huge naval forces to amass in the Gulf of Mexico, and establish bases with 10's of thousands of communist troops and use our land as a staging ground to launch imperalist attacks on our neighbors?!
Give me a break Esquire. You're not Kenneth Treuter are you?
I am not Kenneth Treuter. I am at the present time a potential Ron Paul and/or Tom Tancredo supporter. I am a Constitutionalist with a real-life and real-world view of America and its place in the world in which I and you are living. Your suggesting otherwise doesn't mean much to me.
How can you or anyone else take seriously a "blowback" theory as an excuse for Islam's militancy and jihadist "holy war" on Jews and Christians and all other members of all other religions other than their Muslim religion? How can you or anyone, with a straight face, insist on the American people believing that the September 11, 2001 attacks were justified as anything less than an open declaration of war upon and against the United States of America?
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Ron Paul stepping up to the podium and explaining the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor pursuant to some blowback theory and not responding to it would make no less sense than his continuing to do the same with respect to the declaration of war that was announced by Islam.
Terror attack? Not really. Not in the truest sense of the words. Declaration of war upon America? Yes, absolutely!
I'd like for Ron Paul to drop your blowback theory for a clear statement of how he would blow the enemy back to where it came from and then blow it up.
P.S. -- Does Ron Paul want my support or not? If so, then he needs to move his candidacy beyond that of merely serving as a platform for his delivering soundbites in support of his well-reasoned thoughts on Constitutional Law.
When things seem bad they aren't always as they appear. Usually, they are much worse. Disclaimer: As to any and all legal information presented within my posted comments none should be construed to be formal legal advice, nor the formation of a lawyer/attorney client relationship. The legal information which may be contained within my comments is based upon my legal education; prior and/or present case(s) preparation and legal research; and, therefore, do not represent any promise(s) or guarantee(s) with respect to using any information provided. Please contact the Law Office of a known and competent lawyer/attorney in your state for a consultation on your particular civil or criminal legal matter.
Last night I stated that I thought some of the members of the FireSociety are a little paranoid. I just edited that comment and took the paranoia line out. Maybe I should go back and put it back in. To think that our government is going to stage some self inflicted terror event is beyond ridiculous. We are fighting a real enemy. To not see this war for what it is, a fight against radical Islamic terrorists, is to live in some sort of delusional fantasy world where the United States is the bad guy. Please snap out of it and look at the events that are happening around the world today. Islamic terrorists are at war with western civilization. It is not some inside job bent on furthering a political agenda.
I have to second MrT. This is one conspiracy theory I can't buy into. You have to remember who the passengers were on those planes and what the targets were. If that isn't enough, remind yourself that people such as Rosie O'Donnell is an advocate. Paranoia is understandable to a degree considering the lack of leadership and the turmoil created by the self centered mostly incompetent people we have elected. But that paranoia should be erased by common sense and our efforts to place people in office who we can trust to use their power guided by the will of the nation. Fear begets fear and we must quash it in order to deal with what is ahead of us. The Terrorist have an incredible patience and they will strike again. We are at war and it will continue throughout our lifetimes and farther into the future. Bizarre actions do occur; this isn't one of them.
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
Funny you should mention Rosie O'Donnell. Here is a Ron Paul video you might be interested in. For anybody that doesn't know, the ‘Gulf of Tonkin’ incident he mentions in the video was an alleged ‘staged’ attack on a US warship to start the Vietnam war.
Ron Paul Aligns With Rosie O'Donnell: US Government Will Phony Up New Gulf of Tonkin Incident To Contrive A War With Iran
The pentagon being hit by a passenger plane is official BS.
Further, if the story of the small atomic device in an abandoner freighter in one of the major Texas ports turns out to be a fact, a lot of people will have to change their outlook.
I used to think Ron Paul was good for the debates & a bit eccentric. Now I see that he will add comedy to the debates as long as he can get in without the tin foil hat that his toupee covers doesn't set off the metal detectors!
Yes, we got attacked because we have troops on their sand. Now simply withdrawing those troops will not end the attacks. America needs to win. People like Rosie & Reid, need us to lose. There are 2 sides here. It is easy to tell who is on which side. Sorry Ron, to lose is to lose is to lose...