U.S. Deportations Fail to Dissuade Immigrants

I think I saw the guy in the picture standing by the Rio Grande at a construction site in Dallas last week. 

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Of course it won't. They will just come back. We need to hit them where it counts...attrition. Take away social benefits from all non-U.S. Citizens (welfare, WIC, foodstamps, free education, free medical, social security, subsidized housing, etc.). Also, eliminate the anchor baby concept too. These are the Golden incentives that they depend on to operate. If we cut these out...they will leave (and those that are wandering around...we will deport them).

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When I hear someone say, "Well, we can't deport 12-20 million people...," I ask, "Why NOT??"  If not all 12-20 then I'll settle on 11-19 if we can't FIND them all.  We'll smoke them out eventually.

Deport, deport, deport!

Build the wall - tall, strong and with razor wire 10 feet high on top.

No anchor babies - illegal begats illegal.

No social services - whatsoever.

No guest worker programs - complain about jobs to your own government.

Speak Spanish? - mandatory English classes, abolish "Press 1 for English"

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The Angry Patriot said: Of course it won't. They will just come back. We need to hit them where it counts...attrition. Take away social benefits from all non-U.S. Citizens (welfare, WIC, foodstamps, free education, free medical, social security, subsidized housing, etc.). Also, eliminate the anchor baby concept too. These are the Golden incentives that they depend on to operate. If we cut these out...they will leave (and those that are wandering around...we will deport them).

 

and don't forget take away the JOBS that attract them here to begin with!!  Lets face it, they come for the jobs and then they suck up all the benefits, education, welfare, other social services etc  I was at Wal-Mart a couple months ago and there was a 25-28'ish year old mexican gal, about 8 months pregnant, she had 4 childen with her, all under the age of what I guess was about 6, NONE of them spoke english as she could not communicate with the check out clerk, she had a HUGE cart of groceries.  She used food stamps to pay for the food and then wheeled out, in the meantime, I am on soc sec disability--can't qualify for food stamps or any other help, I make about $200 too much in disability income, I had my SMALL amount of food that I could afford, watching every penny, less than $25 worth, and I put it in my little cart to wheel it to the bus since I can't afford a car on disability, well, I went out of the store just in time to see her finish loading her groceries in a BRAND NEW, temp license in the back window so new, mini-van!!  Now, she paid for her food with food stamps yet drove away in at least a $20K brand new car, while I had to walk a block with my little cart full of groceries to take the bus home!

And so it goes....

 

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I travel to London and Paris on business and trust me there is no Press 1 for English that I have ever heard in the UK and in Paris - it is French and you are lucky if the person speaks enough broken French (sorry I am not fluent) or broken English so the communication is complete.

I wish the best to both sovereign nations.  They obviously believe in their people, their history, their language, their customs and again their right to be a sovereign nation.

Texas Sovereignty said:

When I hear someone say, "Well, we can't deport 12-20 million people...," I ask, "Why NOT??"  If not all 12-20 then I'll settle on 11-19 if we can't FIND them all.  We'll smoke them out eventually.

Deport, deport, deport!

Build the wall - tall, strong and with razor wire 10 feet high on top.

No anchor babies - illegal begats illegal.

No social services - whatsoever.

No guest worker programs - complain about jobs to your own government.

Speak Spanish? - mandatory English classes, abolish "Press 1 for English"

 

Hey, the gov't could HIRE people to go looking for them to deport them ,now THAT IS A JOB AMERICANS WOULD DO!! lol

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Likewise in Mexico no one for English two for Spanish either speak spanish or you don't talk.

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CJBL said:

I travel to London and Paris on business and trust me there is no Press 1 for English that I have ever heard in the UK and in Paris - it is French and you are lucky if the person speaks enough broken French (sorry I am not fluent) or broken English so the communication is complete.

I wish the best to both sovereign nations.  They obviously believe in their people, their history, their language, their customs and again their right to be a sovereign nation.

Boy, I wish I could travel to London and Paris on business--nice job, the farthest I get these days is via local bus about 5 miles down the road to Wal-Mart because they have the cheapest groceries by far in the area!!

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blaze77535 said: Likewise in Mexico no one for English two for Spanish either speak spanish or you don't talk.

 

I am not sure how it is in Hawai'i, I know last time I was lucky enough to go there (about 10 years ago), they had signs in Japanese, and many Japanese clerks in the stores, but I don't remember the 'push one for english' on the phones, but I can imagine it happens there, too many Japanese tourists for it not to happen.  When you talk about one small state that gets about 4 million Japanese tourists a year, then they probably do have 'push one for english' on the phones!

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Took my wife to replace her lost Green card today and there was not a person working in the office that was not Hispanic not one. Talked to one of the persons in line and he told me the border is like a sieve anyone can come over and since this immigration bill screwing he said they are coming in droves truck loads at a time and they all had papers that showed they had been in the US for at least a year. Does that tell you what the skull always needs a shave has been doing WOULD YOU BELIEVE NOTHING.

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Blaze77535 - OK - you just made me ill!  Truck loads of illegals with fake documents saying they have been here a year?  The more I find out the more upset I am. 

VeeBee - love the job but the travel can be a jet lag killer.  The people and countries are great though!  Don't believe all the bad things you hear about the French.  That would be like believing all American citizens have the same values as Ted Kennedy.  He is on TV alot and speaks out alot and so some people in foreign countries might think he speaks for the entire country, like they think Bush speaks for the entire country - but we here know that is just not true.  It is the same in Paris.

We lived in Hawaii for three years and besides it being wonderful, it wasn't a problem with the Japanese and other tourists.  I don't recall a "Press 1 for English" and I don't remember anyone threatening to take over the islands because they declared it Polynesian land.  I got to know many of the local people and they are a mixed bag of races and cultures and very pleasant people.  There were stores that carried Japanese wares and the prices were in English.  It was fun shopping there because the products were of good quality.  If there were signs in Japanese it wasn't a problem for me. 

There's a huge difference between having to put up with people who enter your country illegally and DEMAND we give them what they want and living in a place where people of all races and cultures meld together peacefully. 

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CJBL said:

VeeBee - love the job but the travel can be a jet lag killer.  The people and countries are great though!  Don't believe all the bad things you hear about the French.  That would be like believing all American citizens have the same values as Ted Kennedy.  He is on TV alot and speaks out alot and so some people in foreign countries might think he speaks for the entire country, like they think Bush speaks for the entire country - but we here know that is just not true.  It is the same in Paris.

Oh I never believe all the bad things about the French, in fact, I refused to patronize any place who had 'freedom fries' during that Iraq war dust up we had with France, they are their own country NOT under the control of Bushies and apparently were smarter than we where when it came to going into war in Iraq!!

Besides, I like french perfumes, bread, champagne, cosmetics, clothes etc LOL  One of these days I will make it to Europe I hope!!

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I travel to Mexico quite frequently and very seldom have any problems except with the little local police. Ten bucks generally takes care of them. People are generally very cordial and willing to assist you in any way they can. Those people that I see all the time are not the ones coming across the border.

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Texas Sovereignty said:

We lived in Hawaii for three years and besides it being wonderful, it wasn't a problem with the Japanese and other tourists.  I don't recall a "Press 1 for English" and I don't remember anyone threatening to take over the islands because they declared it Polynesian land.  I got to know many of the local people and they are a mixed bag of races and cultures and very pleasant people.  There were stores that carried Japanese wares and the prices were in English.  It was fun shopping there because the products were of good quality.  If there were signs in Japanese it wasn't a problem for me. 

There's a huge difference between having to put up with people who enter your country illegally and DEMAND we give them what they want and living in a place where people of all races and cultures meld together peacefully. 

 

I LOVE Hawai'i!!  I tried to move there in the mid 90's, found a lot of people who wanted to hire me due to work experience/education, but NO ONE wanted to pay me the salary that was required for the job (all were management positions and they wanted to pay $30K a year--yikes).  So, I never moved there, but I have taken hula lessons, I have tried to learn a bit of Hawai'ian language and I do listen to Hawai'ian music all the time!  Just about every morning I wake up I say to myself "DAMN I am not in Hawai'i!!"

You are right, the atmosphere is wonderful there, most of the people are wonderful, Honolulu is very cosmopolitian yet 'small town' too, just a wonderful, beautiful place--that is why I have never been to Europe, as everytime I had 2 nickels to rub together for travel, I went to Hawai'i!!  It can be a bit daunting however to walk down a crowded street in Waikiki and be about the only white person in a sea of Japanese!

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If we don't dissolve all social benefits for these "people," they will never leave, no matter what their status--regular illegal alien, or criminal/gang illegal, overstayed Visa, etc., etc. 

No one in government has the guts to deport them.  They continue to forget that President Eisenhower did it in the 1950's with great success, and there was no one telling him he couldn't do it or get the job done.

 I love the idea that was recently proposed, "You've got 90 days to get yourself together to leave the country, or you will be rounded up and deported after that time frame." That is such a good idea--wish it would become a reality.

Kaksdesign

I would really loved to have seen a "90 Day" amendment on the floor today. Just watching Kennedy ranting about it would have made my day. I think just the rumor of such a law in the illegal communites would have many packiing up their SUV's and heading south.

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VeeBee said:

The Angry Patriot said: Of course it won't. They will just come back. We need to hit them where it counts...attrition. Take away social benefits from all non-U.S. Citizens (welfare, WIC, foodstamps, free education, free medical, social security, subsidized housing, etc.). Also, eliminate the anchor baby concept too. These are the Golden incentives that they depend on to operate. If we cut these out...they will leave (and those that are wandering around...we will deport them).

 

and don't forget take away the JOBS that attract them here to begin with!!  Lets face it, they come for the jobs and then they suck up all the benefits, education, welfare, other social services etc  I was at Wal-Mart a couple months ago and there was a 25-28'ish year old mexican gal, about 8 months pregnant, she had 4 childen with her, all under the age of what I guess was about 6, NONE of them spoke english as she could not communicate with the check out clerk, she had a HUGE cart of groceries.  She used food stamps to pay for the food and then wheeled out, in the meantime, I am on soc sec disability--can't qualify for food stamps or any other help, I make about $200 too much in disability income, I had my SMALL amount of food that I could afford, watching every penny, less than $25 worth, and I put it in my little cart to wheel it to the bus since I can't afford a car on disability, well, I went out of the store just in time to see her finish loading her groceries in a BRAND NEW, temp license in the back window so new, mini-van!!  Now, she paid for her food with food stamps yet drove away in at least a $20K brand new car, while I had to walk a block with my little cart full of groceries to take the bus home!

And so it goes....

 

 

I have seen this so many times, I could cry...

God Bless You VeeBee ! 

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Kaksdesign said:

No one in government has the guts to deport them.  They continue to forget that President Eisenhower did it in the 1950's with great success, and there was no one telling him he couldn't do it or get the job done.

I have to wonder when we went from a 'manifest destiny' settle the west, remember the Alamo, winning WWI, winning WWII, man on the moon in a decade type of people to a whining sniveling "I can't, we can't" type of losers?  All we would have to do, and I agree with Senator McCaskill from Missouri, that once we start beating up on the companies who hire them they WILL go home!  This " we can't" 'attitude by our elected leaders is piss poor and we need to vote them out of office because we are facing some really tough world problems (ie like Iran and Venezuala starting to team up on oil against the USA--how many more will they get in their clan?) and we need CAN DO strong leaders, not whining wimps.

 Here is a strong cop--LOL--I had to laugh at this, it was yahoo news most emailed story on Weds:

Fla. sheriff targets illegals

PANAMA CITY BEACH, Fla. - The sheriff's department has developed a remarkably effective — and controversial — way of catching illegal immigrants: Deputies in patrol cars pull up to a construction site in force, and watch and see who runs.

Those who take off are chased down and arrested on charges such as trespassing, for cutting through someone else's property, or loitering, for hiding out in someone's yard, or reckless driving, for speeding off in a car.

U.S. immigration authorities are then given the names of those believed to be in this country illegally.

"It's not wrong for them to run, but it's not wrong for us to chase them either," said Sheriff Frank McKeithen, who created his Illegal Alien Task Force in April to target construction sites in this Florida Panhandle county.

Immigrant advocates say the technique is repugnant, and the ACLU says its constitutionality is questionable.

Illegal immigrants are leaving town. And builders are worried the crackdown will deprive them of the labor they need to take part in a building boom in which Panama City's Beach cheap spring-break motels are being torn down and replaced with high-rise condos.

The sheriff said the raids are justified under a long-standing Florida law prohibiting employers from knowingly hiring illegal immigrants.

His department has conducted dozens of these raids over the past three months, sometimes using five or six patrol cars, and has reported more than 500 people to immigration officials since November.

The Mexican American Legal Defense Fund is investigating the arrests because "the intimidation factor is of great concern," said Elise Shore, regional counsel for the organization.

Benjamin Stevenson, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union in Florida, said he finds the tactic troubling.

"Why are they sending out six or seven agents to investigate a paper crime, and are they causing them to run in the first place through intimidation?" he asked.

As the debate over illegal immigration plays out in Washington, McKeithen is among a growing number of state and local officials taking it upon themselves to enforce immigration laws that up to now were regarded as a federal responsibility.

For example, Farmers Branch, Texas, is trying to prohibit apartment rentals to illegal immigrants in the Dallas suburb. Georgia passed a law requiring employers to verify the immigration status of all new employees.

Barbara Gonzalez, a spokeswoman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Miami, would not comment on the sheriff's tactics.

McKeithen has asked Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum for a legal opinion on his tactics. A spokeswoman for McCollum said the office is researching the request.

McKeithen is already under fire from civil rights groups over the videotaped 2006 death of a 14-year-old boy who was roughed up by guards at a juvenile boot camp operated by the sheriff's department. Eight former employees are facing manslaughter charges.

The sheriff said that more recently, his officers have been making fewer arrests of workers who flee, and are concentrating more on asking employers for the paperwork on their employees. Sheriff's deputies then arrest workers whose documents are found to be fraudulent.

Mexican illegal immigrant Jose Madrid, 28, said he has been unable to find a construction job over the past six weeks because of the crackdown, and hasn't been able to send money to his parents and his 7-year-old son back home.

"We immigrants, we are leaving Panama City. People are afraid they will be deported," he said. "The companies don't want to hire illegal people. Now they're only hiring those with papers."

Developer Louis Breland is finishing the first phase of a $750 million beach condo project.

"Subcontractors could not function without immigrant laborers for painting, rebar and steel work. They are the best workers," he said. "Without them, the cost of construction would be 10 times as much and nothing would get built."

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Texas Sovereignty said:

I think I saw the guy in the picture standing by the Rio Grande at a construction site in Dallas last week. 

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What a crock!  What did she mean "what ever it takes"?  What happened to legal methods?  Does she not know what legal means.  Oh ya, I want her here.  I feel real sorry for her!   It just proves what I have been saying all along, if they feel THEY have justifiable reasons to not obey this law, then that is an overall window into their moral fiber.  We citizens are just crazy about 100% of our laws, right.  It does not change the fact that we have to obey them or attempt to legally change them - PERIOD.