Hello, Dakotans!

PLEASE to go this website and sign the petition.  Your State isn't on the list of participants, BUT sign it anyway.  Then put pressure on your State Reps & Senators to join 25 other states in fighting this bill!  Do it!  There is a coalition in the works at the state level.  Let's support them.  Pass the word and tell everyone you know!

http://www.statelegislatorsforlegalimmigration.com/

Not sure I have this right.....er...this is to sign a petition to have immigration legal....right?

Last I heard.....they deported people that were here illegally.

Besides....immigration needs to be halted for the time being.

 And it needs to be eliminated from anyone that is from of Arab descent.

 Who cares if its legal.  Its what the agenda is of those that follow Islam.

planetChloe said:

Not sure I have this right.....er...this is to sign a petition to have immigration legal....right?

Last I heard.....they deported people that were here illegally.

Besides....immigration needs to be halted for the time being.

And it needs to be eliminated from anyone that is from of Arab descent.

Who cares if its legal. Its what the agenda is of those that follow Islam.

 

Hey pC, I'm with you on some of that ! When the deported people are here illegally the legal system should go into action. But I don't think that immigration status should be eliminated from anyone who is an Arab any more than anyone who is Asian or African. That would be unfair and discriminating.

Everything should be legal and conform to the constitution of our fair country - we should care if its legal and fair to all since there are many wonderful Arabs in the US of A. Everyone who follows Islam doesn't have an 'agenda'. Equality for all is what America is about isn't it? Otherwise you are being racist by illegally excluding law abiding American citizens of Arabic descent from exercising their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness which is your own and their own constitutional right. Anything less than that is National Socialist Fascism, which leads to genocide.

Boycott the meat coming out of the Swift plants.  More illegals arrested in Worthington Mn.  Second time in the last year.  Fine the SOB and throw the CEO in jail.  A heavy enough fine might just get their investors to take note.

As for me in SD the problem is starting.  I feel like paving my driveway.  How well do dead illegals pack?

SD legislature just passed resolution to oppose NAU thanks to pressure exerted by a local fellow-my patriotic uncle.

True Islam does not promote terrorist acts

After the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, many people took up the belief that the religion of Islam promotes terrorism and that all Muslims are terrorists. But it is radical Islam which promotes terrorism. Islam itself is a very peaceful religion which is much like Christianity or Judaism.

In every religion you will find people who do not truly believe and follow that religion's teachings, but instead distort that religion to justify their own actions. Those who do this are known as radicals . (or even racists.)

In Christianity there are radicals as well.

Radical Christianity gave the world the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, witch burnings and other brutal events. ( such as the Holocaust.)

Today, terrorists are distorting Islam and its teachings to try to convince others that the West is evil. But true Muslims hold fast to Islam's true teachings and do not bomb buildings or hijack airplanes, just as true Christians hold fast to Christ's teachings and do not murder or burn people at the stake.

It is true that there are passages in the Quran which speak of violence. But there are even more passages of violence in the Bible.

An example of this is Deuteronomy 2:32 where God's people massacre whole villages of men, women and children and leave none alive.

I'm not trying to turn people away from religion. How you interpret these passages is a matter of your personal belief. This shows that both Islam and Christianity are similar.

If you believe that Islam is a religion of terrorism I simply ask that you read a bit of the Quran or speak with a true Muslim. You might be surprised at what you find. (Just as an antisemite should read the Jewish writings or speak with a true follower of Judaism.)

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2008/03/01/opinion/letters/130512.txt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUJwHlWT6Fs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALbkzSGvmLM

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvW4uff8gYE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlWSv0NZBRw&feature=related

neutron, no doubt there probably are some peaceful Muslims who don't strictly adhere to the violent teachings of the Quran. Unfortunately, there is no way to tell a bad one from a good one so all must be suspect....unless of course you don't mind risking your head being separated from your shoulders.

Agreed, Christians did do some atrocious things in the past.......the ancient past. Fortunately for civilization Christians have moved past that era and today you do not find Christians bombing groups or chopping off individuals' heads. But you do hear about Muslims doing those things daily.

A report was just released last week that stated 3 out of 4 U S Mosques are teaching radical anti American Wahabism. Many of these Mosques are funded by Saudi Arabia. Why is a foreign government allowed to fund churches that receive tax exempt status? I have been calling politicians and guess what? I can't get an answer from any of them.

There are  6400 U S Mosques, some with thousands of "parisheners". So if 3 out of 4 are teaching violence toward America(ns) the potential for terrorism is pretty dramatic and scary.

Another thing about devout Muslims....they are taught to lie to infidels whenever it is convenient to do so, and it is not considered a sin. So how is it possible to know when they are lying instead of being truthful with you?

As far as letting Muslims immigrate here in the same numbers as say French or Germans etc. These governments aren't producing terrorists but the Arab countries are. The U S government has an obligation to protect its citizens and the only way to guarantee our safety is to keep Muslims out.

And the government also needs to start arresting the radical Imams and the all the "parisheners" who attend their Mosques.

This may sound bigoted and harsh but I believe that we are in a fight for our very existence. If its them or us I vote for us.

johannah said:

[quote]neutron, no doubt there probably are some peaceful Muslims who don't strictly adhere to the violent teachings of the Quran.[/quote]

there are plenty of peaceful muslims, not just 'some' and not all of the  Koran is full of 'violent teachings'

 

[quote] Unfortunately, there is no way to tell a bad one from a good one so all must be suspect....unless of course you don't mind risking your head being separated from your shoulders.[/quote]Joseph Goebbels spoke the same about Jews, and not all muslims are 'head cutters' any more than all Christians are 'crusaders.

[quote]Agreed, Christians did do some atrocious things in the past.......the ancient past. [/quote] not so ancient ... Christianity has a very bloody past, rife with antisemitism and not all 'Chrisians' have moved 'past' that 'era' as is evidenced by planetchloe's post

[quote]Fortunately for civilization Christians have moved past that era and today you do not find Christians bombing groups or chopping off individuals' heads. But you do hear about Muslims doing those things daily.[/quote] pejorative statement ... not all muslims do that adn there is plenty of non-muslim crime right in America - the prisons are full

[quote]A report was just released last week that stated 3 out of 4 U S Mosques are teaching radical anti American Wahabism. [/quote] please provide that report with a link and reference

[quote]There are  6400 U S Mosques, some with thousands of "parisheners". So if 3 out of 4 are teaching violence toward America(ns) the potential for terrorism is pretty dramatic and scary.[/quote] again please provide a link with references

[quote]Another thing about devout Muslims....they are taught to lie to infidels whenever it is convenient to do so, and it is not considered a sin. So how is it possible to know when they are lying instead of being truthful with you?[/quote] Nazis said the same thing about Jews as planetchloe must 'know'

[quote]As far as letting Muslims immigrate here in the same numbers as say French or Germans etc. These governments aren't producing terrorists but the Arab countries are. The U S government has an obligation to protect its citizens and the only way to guarantee our safety is to keep Muslims out.[/quote] that is pejorative and radical - almost racist

[quote]And the government also needs to start arresting the radical Imams and the all the "parisheners" who attend their Mosques.[/quote] that's what the Nazis did to the Jews .... without proof .... one would have to provide concrete proof - why is that not happening in the US then?

[quote]This may sound bigoted and harsh but I believe that we are in a fight for our very existence. If its them or us I vote for us.[/quote] not only sounds 'bigoted', you know it is - it is racist and sounds like Aryan Nations, KKK, or White Supremist rhetoric.

 You must be a born again Christian who loves all men as Jesus commanded? - or are you a 'nominal christian' like the crusaders were?

 

 

neutron said:

johannah said:

[quote]neutron, no doubt there probably are some peaceful Muslims who don't strictly adhere to the violent teachings of the Quran.[/quote]

there are plenty of peaceful muslims, not just 'some' and not all of the  Koran is full of 'violent teachings'

 

[quote] Unfortunately, there is no way to tell a bad one from a good one so all must be suspect....unless of course you don't mind risking your head being separated from your shoulders.[/quote]Joseph Goebbels spoke the same about Jews, and not all muslims are 'head cutters' any more than all Christians are 'crusaders.

[quote]Agreed, Christians did do some atrocious things in the past.......the ancient past. [/quote] not so ancient ... Christianity has a very bloody past, rife with antisemitism and not all 'Chrisians' have moved 'past' that 'era' as is evidenced by planetchloe's post

[quote]Fortunately for civilization Christians have moved past that era and today you do not find Christians bombing groups or chopping off individuals' heads. But you do hear about Muslims doing those things daily.[/quote] pejorative statement ... not all muslims do that adn there is plenty of non-muslim crime right in America - the prisons are full

[quote]A report was just released last week that stated 3 out of 4 U S Mosques are teaching radical anti American Wahabism. [/quote] please provide that report with a link and reference

[quote]There are  6400 U S Mosques, some with thousands of "parisheners". So if 3 out of 4 are teaching violence toward America(ns) the potential for terrorism is pretty dramatic and scary.[/quote] again please provide a link with references

[quote]Another thing about devout Muslims....they are taught to lie to infidels whenever it is convenient to do so, and it is not considered a sin. So how is it possible to know when they are lying instead of being truthful with you?[/quote] Nazis said the same thing about Jews as planetchloe must 'know'

[quote]As far as letting Muslims immigrate here in the same numbers as say French or Germans etc. These governments aren't producing terrorists but the Arab countries are. The U S government has an obligation to protect its citizens and the only way to guarantee our safety is to keep Muslims out.[/quote] that is pejorative and radical - almost racist

[quote]And the government also needs to start arresting the radical Imams and the all the "parisheners" who attend their Mosques.[/quote] that's what the Nazis did to the Jews .... without proof .... one would have to provide concrete proof - why is that not happening in the US then?

[quote]This may sound bigoted and harsh but I believe that we are in a fight for our very existence. If its them or us I vote for us.[/quote] not only sounds 'bigoted', you know it is - it is racist and sounds like Aryan Nations, KKK, or White Supremist rhetoric.

 You must be a born again Christian who loves all men as Jesus commanded? - or are you a 'nominal christian' like the crusaders were?

 

 

 

 

You need to read up on your history. The crusades were not what you seem to think they were. But I'll leave that to you to find out the history of the crusades. Or perhaps you would like to continue to revel in your ignorance of true history?

I never said I was a Christian.....perhaps I'm Jewish. You seem to be only too quick to jump to erroneous conclusions.

Oh....you must be Muslim!

johannah said:

neutron, no doubt there probably are some peaceful Muslims who don't strictly adhere to the violent teachings of the Quran. Unfortunately, there is no way to tell a bad one from a good one so all must be suspect....unless of course you don't mind risking your head being separated from your shoulders.

Agreed, Christians did do some atrocious things in the past.......the ancient past. Fortunately for civilization Christians have moved past that era and today you do not find Christians bombing groups or chopping off individuals' heads. But you do hear about Muslims doing those things daily.

A report was just released last week that stated 3 out of 4 U S Mosques are teaching radical anti American Wahabism. Many of these Mosques are funded by Saudi Arabia. Why is a foreign government allowed to fund churches that receive tax exempt status? I have been calling politicians and guess what? I can't get an answer from any of them.

There are  6400 U S Mosques, some with thousands of "parisheners". So if 3 out of 4 are teaching violence toward America(ns) the potential for terrorism is pretty dramatic and scary.

Another thing about devout Muslims....they are taught to lie to infidels whenever it is convenient to do so, and it is not considered a sin. So how is it possible to know when they are lying instead of being truthful with you?

As far as letting Muslims immigrate here in the same numbers as say French or Germans etc. These governments aren't producing terrorists but the Arab countries are. The U S government has an obligation to protect its citizens and the only way to guarantee our safety is to keep Muslims out.

And the government also needs to start arresting the radical Imams and the all the "parisheners" who attend their Mosques.

This may sound bigoted and harsh but I believe that we are in a fight for our very existence. If its them or us I vote for us.

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XBXwfygRb9g&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9i71VAUwKkM&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=b5u5Ic9ysLI&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RMqN0g-cAOU

johannah said:

 

 

You need to read up on your history. The crusades were not what you seem to think they were. But I'll leave that to you to find out the history of the crusades. Or perhaps you would like to continue to revel in your ignorance of true history?

I never said I was a Christian.....perhaps I'm Jewish. You seem to be only too quick to jump to erroneous conclusions.

Oh....you must be Muslim!

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The Crusades were a bloodbath and a failure.

True, you are not a Christian at all nor a Jew.

And I am not a Muslim, but I am a born again Christian believer in the Lord Jesus Christ.

For certain, every racist will stand before the Lord Jesus Christ (including racist so-called 'christians' who use Jesus to masquerade their prejudices)-

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/the-great-white-throne-judgment/323088085

Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

John 3:16

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him, should not perish, but have Eternal Life.

John 3:3

 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

http://www.godssimpleplan.org/gsps-english.html

Well,,,. you are so enamoured of the Muslims. Why don't you try going to Saudi Arabia with your bible. It will be confiscated at the airport and burned (an evil book, you know). But, if you should be able to smuggle your bible in and get caught later you will be severely punished, may be even sentenced to death.

And of course you will not be able to openly practice your religion during your visit. There are no Christian churches in Saudi Arabia. Those peaceful Muslims don't allow them.

The crusades were not an effort to convert Muslims. They were an effort to reclaim lands that had been taken from the Christians by the Muslims. And you are correct, it was a bloodbath. Oh dear those Muslims were totally intolerant and slaughtering people of other religions  even way back then.

And for a Christian, you seem to be mighty smug and mighty intolerant of your fellow Americans who fear for their lives and don't wish to be subjected and subjegated to Islam. And that is their goal, convert or be killed. 

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You need to move your discussion to a religious thread. This thread is for people who are discussing the reality of the illegal alien invasion and the damage they are doing to this country.

Muslims are also a danger because they are the radical group who are plotting to destroy America and Americans.

You are blind to the dangers (to America and Americans) presented by these two groups of people and you try to rationalize your ignorance by preaching. It is very obvious that you are new to this forum, are not aware of the rules and are breaking them.

This Thread has to do with The Dakota's - Need your help.   A petetion.

Like Johannah stated if you want to discuss Religion please move to a Religious Thread, everyone.

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