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May 21, 2007 09:43 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Let's use this thread to help us track how Senators say they are going to vote on the Bush-Kennedy amnesty bill. Find stories online or better yet -- call and document how these senators from this state are going to vote. If you call, include date/time of your call.

Switchboard: 202-224-3121.

Be sure to ask:

1--Does the senator support the Bush-Kennedy comprehensive amnesty bill?

2-- Will the Senator vote to "invoke cloture" (i.e. end debate) on the amnesty bill?



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May 22, 2007 09:25 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Comment updated May 22, 2007 09:26 AM

as per the Albany office there is no  record on file right now regarding Clinton's stance on the immigration bill...so I informed the staff member that i would like to see Clinton vote no on this bill and in turn make the American Legion proud..because they are also against this bill....Called Tuesday morning May 22nd spoke with kate




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May 22, 2007 10:37 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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you vote for this bill, you no longer receive mine.
May 23, 2007 12:04 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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I called Sen. Clinton's office in Syracuse.  She continues to weigh her decision and is currently listening to her constituents views.  I shared mine which, of course, is in opposition to the Bush/Kennedy amnesty bill.

I encourage others to make the simple call.  The person answering the phone at the Syracue office was very friendly and welcomed my words.  I was not rushed off the phone.

May 23, 2007 12:08 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Sen. Chuck Schumer's Syracuse office read a statement to me which included his committment to secure borders, building a fence, supporting the border agents, but the part about the bill was unclear to me whether he supported this particular bill or not.  It was double speak.  At any rate, I shared my view as I did w/Sen. Clinton's office. 
May 23, 2007 01:32 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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MANY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES NOT VOTING

Important!! Not sure which contact to use.. so here are both their Candidacy and the Senate contact information.

We need to pressure The Presidental candidates into a NO vote they are ones with an election at STAKE. They are the ones seeking or money as we speak!! Its a General Election they are campaigning for so we can call them all and Pressure them all.. ( except maybe Kerry, do they come any dumber?)

We need to demand their vote be on record  for this issue, so we can weigh our Presidential votes!!!

MANY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES NOT VOTING

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Biden (D-DE)
DE SENATE CONTACT

Joseph Biden D

201 Russell Senate Office Building

Washington, D.C. 20510

Phone 202-224-5042 Fax 202-224-0139--

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CANDIDATE OFFICIAL CONTACT INFORMATION:

Unite Our States PAC
513 Capitol Court, Suite 100
Washington, DC 20002
202.588.1990
Fax: 202.547.2221
Email: info@uniteourstates.com

 

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Clinton (D-NY)NY SENATE CONTACT

Hillary Clinton D

476 Russell Senate Office Building

Washington, D.C. 20510 

Phone 202-224-4451 Fax 202-228-0282

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CANDIDATE Hillary Clinton for President Committee
1717 K Street, N.W.
Suite 1001
Washington, D.C. 20036
Phone: 202.263.0180
Fax: 202.263.0181
Email: info@hillaryclinton.com

 

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Dodd (D-CT)
CT SENATE CONTACT

Christopher Dodd D

448 Russell Senate Office Building

Washington, D.C. 20510 

Phone 202-224-2823  Fax 202-224-1083 

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CANDIDATE OFFICIAL CONTACT INFORMATION:

Chris Dodd for President
P.O. Box 270701
West Hartford, CT 06127
Phone: 860.561.8843
Fax: 860.561.8893

 

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McCain (R-AZ) (
why waste the time, let him feel irrelevent) I reccomend you pressure Kyl,  McCAin is the way of Kennedy about now he is a gone to us,  who the heck voted him, in not the Reps) Kyl we may stand a chance with 

SENATE CONTACT 

John McCain R

241 Russell Senate Office Building

Washington, D.C. 20510 

Phone 202-224-2235 Fax 202-228-2862

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CANDIDATE OFFICIAL CONTACT INFORMATION:

John McCain 2008 Committee
P.O. Box 16118
Arlington, VA 22215
info@exploremccain.com

 

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Obama (D-IL) IL SENATE CONTACT

 

Barack Obama D

713 Hart Senate Office Building

Washington, D.C. 20510 

Phone 202-224-2854  Fax 202-228-1372

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CANDIDATE OFFICIAL CONTACT INFORMATION:

Obama Exploratory Committee
607 14th Street NW
Suite 800
Washington, DC 20005
Email: info@barackobama.com

 

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  Good Luck!!

Patricia

May 23, 2007 03:47 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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I WAS IN NEW YORK NOT LONG AGO AND I VISITED LADY LIBERTY. TEARS CAME DOWN MY FACE WHEN I STOOD IN FRONT OF HER AND I SAW A BIG TEAR ON HER CHEEK SO I ASKED HER WHAT'S WRONG? SHE TOLD ME I CAN TALK TO YOU BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE IRISH AND POLISH SIDE OF YOUR FAMILY PASSING IN FRONT OF ME WITH "AMERICAN" FLAGS IN THEIR HANDS, THEY WAVED THERE FLAGS AND SMILED AT ME ON THERE WAY TO "ELLIS" ISLAND I CAN STILL HEAR THEM YELLING "GOD BLESS AMERICA" I WAS SO HAPPY BACK THEN..........SHE SIGHED AND SAID NOW I'M SAD, NO ONE PASSES ME NOW, THEY GO OVER FENCES, OR THROUGH TUNNELS THEY TAKE AND TAKE FROM ME YET WON'T SUPPORT ME. THEY WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN HERE, SO THEY BECOME AMERICAN'S THEY DON'T PAY TAXES, YET WANT FREE CARE AND COST THE REAL AMERICANS BILLIONS. WHERE DID I GO WRONG SHE ASKED ME...I SAID YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG WE STILL HAVE THE MILLIONS OF "LEGAL" AMERICANS THAT WILL FIGHT WITH THEIR BLOOD, SWEAT, AND TEARS FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THEY WILL MAKE OUR CONGRESS AND SENATE START DOING THE RIGHT THINGS FOR OUR COUNTRY AND I PROMISE YOU THAT....OK? SHE GAVE ME A SLIGHT SMILE AND SAID OK.....AND CAN YOU TELL AMERICA SOMETHING FOR ME, I SAID YES, SHE SAID TELL ALL THE "REAL AMERICANS THAT I STILL LOVE THEM" AND I WANT AMERICA TO BE GREAT AGAIN......THANKS AMERICA FOR READING THIS.   
May 24, 2007 09:54 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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I have read conflicting reports on Schumer and Clinton. They are both for and against it. Typical polititions.

Neither Schumer nor Clinton return answers on positions, even when a reply is requested. My Rep. Reynolds emails me on issues and I recieve snail mail from him on issues I contact him about.

I have called Schumers office and at least the man answering the phone acted human. Clintons Washington office was robotic and refused to answer any questions about her stance on any issue.

Schumers office asked for my name and address, Clintons refused to take it even when I offered it.

Clinton and Schumer have their own agendas and the people of NY only count at election time.

 

May 24, 2007 09:59 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Hillary ad chucky are going to vote for this bill no matter what they say! look at there past voting record.


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May 24, 2007 04:39 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County ( L.A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.


3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens


4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers.


5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.


6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.


7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.


8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.


9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.


10. In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. 
(There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County ).


(All of the above are from the Los Angeles Times)

 Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.
Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration.

29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.
Our leaders are fools for letting this continue.
WHY CAN'T WE SEND THEM HOME ? 

UNITED WE STAND - GOD BLESS AMERICA
 
May 24, 2007 04:41 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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ASK THEM BOTH HOW THIS COULD HAPPEN 12 TO 20 MILLION.......NO ONES DONE A THING IN 21 YRS AND CHECK OUT THE SO CALLED FENCE http://www.americanborderpatrol.com/
May 24, 2007 07:24 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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I have called Senators Schumer and Clinton's offices many many times and can get no answers to my questions, I also called the DNC no reply yesterday i called 18 senators offices Bennett no decision,Coleman wants boarder security Collins no decision,craig voted for closure,Domenici for boarder security Brownback waiting to see final bill McCainbusy signal, warner busy signal, Kyl For last weeks bill not for any changeBaucus not for Amnesty Isakson Not for Amnesty McConnell not decided, Tester Not for Amnesty Brown Busy signal. I also found out from each phone call that they can't keep up with the people calling and saying NO AMNEsty.   
May 24, 2007 09:13 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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The new French president has it right about how to handle illegals.   Read this article and send it on to your elected reps, maybe they can learn something!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=456666&in_page_id=1811&ito=1490

June 11, 2007 08:58 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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NO amnesty

secure our borders NOW

NO more lies

do not underestimate the anger of the American people on this issue

WAKE UP WASHINGTON    THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN




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June 12, 2007 08:41 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Your President, George W. Bush is bringing the Illegal Immigration Reform Bill S.B. 1348 back on the floor, and here is what the White House Press Secretary released last friday on the White House Web Site:

 
The White House, President George W. Bush

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
June 8, 2007

Best of the Immigration Fact Check: Top 10 Common Myths

     Fact sheet In Focus: Immigration

1. MYTH: This is amnesty.

  • FACT: Amnesty is the forgiveness of an offense without penalty.  This proposal is not amnesty because illegal workers must acknowledge that they broke the law, pay a $1,000 fine, and undergo criminal background checks to obtain a Z visa granting temporary legal status. 
  • FACT: To apply for a green card at a date years into the future, Z visa workers must wait in line behind those who applied lawfully, pay an additional $4,000 fine, complete accelerated English requirements, leave the U.S. and file their application in their home country, and demonstrate merit based on the skills and attributes they will bring to the United States.
  • FACT: Workers approved for Z visas will be given a temporary legal status, but they will not enjoy the full privileges of citizens or Legal Permanent Residents, such as welfare benefits and the ability to sponsor relatives abroad as immigrants.

2. MYTH: This proposal repeats the mistakes of the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act.

  • FACT: The 1986 Act failed because it provided amnesty for 3 million immigrants, did not adequately secure borders, did not include a workable employer verification system, and created no legal avenue to meet the labor needs of the American economy. 
  • FACT: This proposal addresses every one of the shortcomings from 1986:

    • No Amnesty: Illegal workers must acknowledge that they broke the law and pay a fine to be eligible for a Z visa. 

    • Border Security: Border security benchmarks must be met before the Z visa and temporary worker programs go into effect.  These triggers include miles of fencing and vehicle barriers at the border and increasing the size of the Border Patrol.

    • Employer Verification System: An Employment Eligibility Verification System must be established and in use before any temporary worker or Z visas are issued. 

    • Temporary Worker Program: A temporary worker program will relieve pressure on the border and provide a lawful way to meet the needs of our economy.
  • FACT: The 1986 Act offered green cards after just 18 months, but under this proposal, green card applicants must meet a number of responsibilities – something which will take most candidates more than a decade.

3. MYTH: DHS has only one day to complete background checks for illegal immigrants already in the U.S.

  • FACT: To obtain probationary status, illegal immigrants must come out of the shadows to acknowledge they have broken the law and pass a preliminary background check.  There is a provision in the bill that says DHS has one day to find a "disqualifying factor," but that is not the end of the process. That is a very short term way of ensuring that if someone comes out of the shadows and admits their illegality, they will not be deported while the process is ongoing and can continue working while the full background check is completed.
  • FACT: Illegal immigrants may not obtain probationary status without applying for the Z visa.  Probationary status may be revoked at any time if a worker is found ineligible for the Z visa, fails to maintain a clean record, or fails the background check required for obtaining a Z visa.
  • FACT: To remain in the United States, Z visa holders are subject to updated background checks on criminal and security history and must maintain a clean record. 

4. MYTH: The temporary worker program is bad for American workers.

  • FACT: The temporary worker program relieves pressure on the border and meets our economic needs by allowing workers to enter the country to fill jobs that Americans are not doing.
  • FACT: The program protects American workers by requiring U.S. employers to advertise the job in the United States at a competitive wage before hiring a temporary worker.
  • FACT: To ensure "temporary" means "temporary," workers are limited to three two-year terms, with at least a year spent outside the United States between each term. 
  • FACT: A cap of 200,000 is set on the program.

5. MYTH: The government will not and cannot meet its promise to crack down on the hiring of illegal workers.

  • FACT: Before any temporary worker or Z visas are issued, an Employment Eligibility Verification System (EEVS) must be established and in use to prevent unauthorized workers from obtaining jobs in the United States. 
  • FACT: Employers will be required to verify the work eligibility of all employees using the EEVS, and all workers will be required to present stronger and more readily verifiable identification documents.  Tough new anti-fraud measures will be implemented to restrict fraud and identity theft.
  • FACT: Employers who hire illegal workers will face stiff new criminal and civil penalties.  For example, the maximum criminal penalty for a pattern or practice of hiring illegals will increase 25-fold, from $3,000 per alien to $75,000 per alien. 

6. MYTH: Illegal immigrants will come out of the shadows and on to the welfare rolls.

  • FACT: Z visa workers are not entitled to welfare, Food Stamps, SSI, non-emergency Medicaid, or other programs and privileges enjoyed by U.S. citizens and some Legal Permanent Residents. 
  • FACT: In order to apply for Z visa status, workers must be employed; in order to maintain Z visa status, they must remain employed
  • FACT: CBO estimates increased revenue from taxes, penalties, and fines under the bill will offset any estimated increases in mandatory spending, such as emergency Medicaid, and produce a net fiscal surplus of $25.6 billion over 10 years.  This surplus will be used to cover costs of implementing the bill, including a significant portion of the costs of better securing our borders and improving interior enforcement through additional Border Patrol and ICE agents.

7.  MYTH: Illegal immigrants may stay in probationary status for years without having to apply or meet requirements for a Z visa.

  •   FACT: Illegal immigrants may not obtain probationary status without applying for the Z visa, which requires coming out of the shadows and passing a background check.
  •   FACT: Probationary status is valid only while a Z visa application is pending – it may be revoked at any time if the applicant is found ineligible for the Z visa, fails to maintain a clean record, or fails the background check required for obtaining a Z visa. 
  •   FACT: If a worker is deemed eligible for a Z visa, probationary status terminates, and the worker must transition to a Z visa or leave the country.  Transitioning to Z status will require the worker to pay a $1,000 fine for head of household and $500 per dependent; up to $1,500 in processing fees per applicant, including heads of household and dependents; and a $500 state impact assistance fee. 
  •   FACT: To remain in the United States, the worker is subject to updated background checks on criminal and security history and must stay employed, maintain a clean record, and meet accelerated English and civics requirements by set deadlines.  In addition, Z visa holders must pay processing fees of up to $1,500 every four years in order to renew the visa.  Z visa holders are not entitled to welfare, Food Stamps, SSI, or non-emergency Medicaid.

8. MYTH: Illegal workers who remained in the country after they were ordered deported by an immigration judge are eligible for Z visas.

  • FACT: Illegal workers who ignored deportation orders are not eligible for the Z visa program, except in exceedingly rare cases in which they can demonstrate their departure would "result in extreme hardship."
  • FACT: The determination of what constitutes "extreme hardship" lies entirely within the discretion of the Secretary of Homeland Security, who has no interest in allowing this exception to be abused.

9. MYTH: The bill allows dangerous gang members access to the Z visa program if they renounce their gang affiliation.

  • FACT: Any gang member convicted of any of a wide range of criminal conduct is not permitted in the Z visa program, whether he or she has renounced his gang affiliation or not.  The list of crimes that disqualify Z visa applicants extends into the thousands and includes:
    • Any felony.
    • Any three misdemeanors.
    • Any serious criminal offense.
    • Violations of any law relating to a controlled substance.
  • FACT: Even if a gang member or other applicant has not been convicted of a crime, he or she is ineligible for the Z visa program if the Government concludes that he is sufficiently dangerous.  This is true for all applicants, including gang members who have renounced their affiliations. For example, among those ineligible is any gang member (or other applicant):
    • About whom there are "reasonable grounds" for regarding as a danger to the security of the United States;
    • Who the Government knows or has reason to believe seeks to enter the U.S. "solely, principally, or incidentally" to engage in unlawful activity; or
    • About whom there are reasonable grounds for believing has committed a serious criminal offense outside the U.S.
  • FACT: The bill would, for the first time, give the Departments of Homeland Security (DHS) and Justice (DOJ) tools to keep certain aliens out of the United States solely on the basis of their participation in a gang.  No conviction is required – if an individual has associated with a gang and helped "aid" or "support" its illegal activity, then he or she is not allowed to remain in the country – even if he renounces his gang affiliation. 

10. MYTH: By providing an opportunity for citizenship to illegal immigrants already here, the bill will exponentially increase extended-family chain migration.

  • FACT: The proposal reforms our immigration system to create a new balance between family connections and our national interests and economic needs.
  • FACT: Green cards for parents of U.S. citizens are capped, while set-asides for the siblings of U.S. citizens and the adult children of U.S. citizens and green card holders are eliminated.
  • FACT: To help keep our economy competitive, a new merit-based system similar to those used by other countries will give preference to attributes that further our national interest such as: job offers in high-demand fields, ability to speak English, and education.

Return to this article at:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/06/20070608-10.html 

 
     
 
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June 15, 2007 02:33 PM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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They are most likely going to vote in favor of amnesty.


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Hey Friends, I've decided to hit all those SCAMNESTY pushing idiots on Capitol Hill with a scathing yet somewhat respectful pour-it-out manifaxto like this one. It's written in wordy legalese for a reason because subconsciously they tend to respect it more than layman terminology. Guess I hammered on enough points here. AS THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN IS AWARE: IT IS INDEED A RISKY MATTER TO EVOKE THE IRE OF THE CITIZENRY OF THIS FINE REPUBLIC. BUT IN LIGHT OF YOUR RECENT COLLECTIVE GOVERNING PRACTICES, WHICH ARE DEEMED TO BE HIGHLY IRRESPONSIBLE AND ERRONEOUS BY THE VERY NATURE OF THEIR INCEPTION, THE CITIZENS FEEL WOEFULLY YET DUTIFULLY COMPELLED TO DEMAND THAT THE 110th CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA COMPLETELY AND FAITHFULLY REDRESS THE GRIEVANCES OF ITS PEOPLE HERE, NOW, AND FORTHWITH EXPRESSED, WHEREBY THEY MIGHT AVOID WITNESSING THE PUBLIC BEGIN EXERCISING CERTAIN UNPLEASANT POWERS OF REPRISALS GRANTED THEM BY THE 1st AND SUBSEQUENT CONTINENTAL CONGRESSES. I. PLEASE VOTE TO REMOVE S. 1348 FROM THE TABLE AND NEVER REVIVE MENTION OF IT AGAIN. IT IS THE MOST CRIMSON OF RED HERRINGS CONCEIVABLE TO COVER UP FOR MASS COLLECTIVE NEGLIGENCE. THE LAWS CONCERNING IMMIGRATION HAVE BEEN LAYED DOWN COMPLETELY AND RESOUNDINGLY TO LAST FOR A LONG TIME. SO, AN IMMIGRATION REFORM BILL AFTER ONLY THIS FAR INTO THE POST REAGAN ERA IS A HUGE DISGRACE AND A DANGEROUS MISTAKE COVERED WITH IMPRACTICAL BANDAIDS OF CONFUSION AND EXCUSES. I HARDLY THINK IT WOULD MAKE A GOOD ACT FOR DAMAGE CONTROL NOW OR EVER. ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY DISAPPROVAL OF PROPOSED S. 1105 THAT WOULD ENDANGER OUR VITAL RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH AS IT HAS DONE IN SWEDEN AND CANADA. I'VE BEEN THOROUGHLY ENLIGHTENED ABOUT THE MAIN GROUP BEHIND THIS LEGISLATION, BUT I ALSO FEEL THAT IT'S QUITE HYPOCRITICAL FOR GROUPS SUCH AS HOMOSEXUALS TO WANT TO OUTLAW 'NAME CALLING' WHEN THEY FEEL SO FREE TO SPEAK INSULTINGLY IN PUBLIC THEMSELVES. II. PLEASE PROPOSE WAYS OF ENFORCING CURRENTS LAWS THAT WILL PUNISH EMPLOYERS, LANDLORDS, AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS MORE DRASTICALLY FOR THE CRIME OF CATERING TO UNLAWFUL MIGRANTS. THIS SHAMELESS PRACTICE HAS GOTTEN TOO FAR OUT OF HAND. YES, UNFORTUNATELY, SOME COMMERCE MAY BE CRIPPLED AND OFFSET FOR A WHILE, BUT, WE DEMAND THAT THE CORRECTION PROCESS BEGIN NOW. YOU SEE CONGRESSMAN, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THIS REFORM BILL IS INTENDED FOR SOME GREAT HUMANITARIAN PURPOSE OR PERCEIVED AS A NECESSARY INFUSION OF A CHEAP LABOR FORCE TO REVIVE THE ECONOMY OR AS AN ACT OF PROTOCOL FOR A LOFTIER INTERNATIONAL AGENDA, I THINK YOU'D BE SURPRISED AT HOW MANY AMERICANS WOULD DIG THEIR HEELS IN AND REFUSE TO TOLERATE AN INVASION OF THEIR AVAILABLE JOB RIGHTS AND THEIR HOUSING RIGHTS AS THEY ARE INDEED REAL GENUINE CITIZENS IN THEIR OWN HOMELAND. SURELY, EVEN IN THE HARDEST ECONOMIC TIMES, IF WE CHOSE TO STOP BEING SUBSERVIENT TO A PRIVATIZED FOREIGN BANKING SYSTEM THAT HAS ALL BUT SHAMED THE U.S. DOLLAR INTO A RUSTY PENNY, AND WE HAD TO PRINT OUR OWN COLONIAL SCRIP AGAIN AND POINT OUR BIGGEST GUNS AT THOSE CREDITOR NATIONS THAT MIGHT TRY TO CALL IN OUR MARGINS TOO FAST, WE WOULD DO IT ! ABRAHAM LINCOLN DID IT AS YOU RECALL FROM HISTORY. SO WE ARE CERTAINLY BIG ENOUGH BOYS AND GIRLS HERE WHO BY PRINCIPLE ALONE ARE WILLING TO SEE IT THROUGH AS LONG WE KNOW THAT THIS TEAR IN OUR SOCIAL FABRIC IS BEING MENDED. MANY OF US ARE OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WHEN EVERY MENIAL JOB IN THE COUNTRY WAS FILLED BY AN AMERICAN OR LEGITIMATE GUEST WORKER. SO WE KNOW IT CAN BE DONE. BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE, WE WILL NEVER ACCEPT THE SCUTTLING OF OUR FREEDOM, OUR LIBERTIES, OUR SECURITY, OUR OPPORTUNITIES, OUR ECONOMY, OUR WELFARE, OUR LANDSCAPE, OUR NATIONAL TREASURES, OUR SOVEREIGNTY, IN ESSENCE: OUR COUNTRY !! NEVER !! III. PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT WE HAVE GREAT DISDAIN AND RESENTMENT FOR BROKEN PROMISES SUCH AS AN ABANDONED BORDER FENCE PROJECT AND ARMED GUARDS NOT YET IN PLACE, AND FOR THE YEARS OF HEARING ONLY TALK ABOUT GLOBAL HAWK SURVEILLANCE. THIS MYSTERIOUS NEGLECT ALONG WITH THE DISCOURAGING OF BORDER PATROLS (BOTH OFFICIAL AND UNOFFICIAL) FROM TAKING CHARGE OF THEIR ASSUMED DUTIES IS QUITE TROUBLING. BESIDES THAT, MANY AMERICANS FEEL THAT PROTECTING THE SOUTHERN BORDER IS CRUCIAL AND SYMBOLIC IN A GREAT NATIONAL DEFENSE MOVEMENT FOR THEIR LIFETIMES--IT'S "THE LINE IN THE SAND" THAT SHOULD NOT BE CROSSED THE WRONG WAY--AS THERE IS. OF COURSE, A VERY REAL DANGER OF MENACING INTRUDERS, TERRORISTS, AND CRIMINALS. WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THEM STEALING GOOD PEOPLE'S IDENTITIES AND SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS TO ILLEGALLY ACQUIRE JOBS, HOMES, AND LOANS AND WE'RE ALL QUITE AWARE THAT THESE ARE MAJOR FELONIES COMMITTED ON A MASSIVE SCALE WITH ALL KNOWING PARTIES INVOLVED BEING PUNISHABLE. IF A CONGRESSMAN HAD HIS OWN SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER STOLEN BY AN UNLAWFUL TRESPASSING FELON, I HIGHLY DOUBT HE'D BE SIGNING AN AMNESTY BILL TO FURTHER ACCOMMODATE THEM ALL. THE POSSIBILITIES OF FUTURE CRIME WAVES PLAGUING US ARE BOUNDLESS. I SHOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT MILLIONS OF GENERATIONAL AMERICANS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME ARE FEELING FORCED OUT OF THEIR OWN HOME TOWNS TO MOVE FURTHER NORTH AND EASTWARD AS A RESULT OF OVERCROWDING BY AN INVASION OF SQUATTERS WHO HAVE UNDENIABLY DEFACED THE LAND AND TAXED THE INFRASTRUCTURE WHILE WE'RE ALL FOOTING THE BILL. SENATOR, DON'T WEAR THE SCARLET LETTER 'A' WHICH WOULD FOREVER BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS HIGHLY UNPOPULAR LEGISLATION !!! IV. PLEASE DON'T BE DELUDED INTO ASSUMING THAT WE ARE NOT AWARE OF THE MANY ULTERIOR MOTIVES TO ESTABLISH A CONDITION OF RELAXED BORDERS AND MILDER IMMIGRATION LAWS AND EVEN HIGHER QUOTAS OF NEW ARRIVALS. MANY HAVE HEARD OF THE FIX BEING IN FOR THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION IN 2010, WHICH IS BEING DESIGNED AFTER THE EUROPEAN UNION AND SHAMEFULLY MAKING AN END RUN AROUND CONGRESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE--NOT EVEN A NATIONAL REFERENDUM HAS BEEN HELD ON THE SUBJECT AS THOUGH IT WEREN'T IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO US WITH ALL ITS TRICKLE DOWN ILL EFFECTS ON OUR ECONOMY, OUR SOVEREIGNTY AND OUR IDENTITY. THIS IS SO OUTRAGEOUSLY CRIMINAL IT DEFIES DESCRIPTION!!! ALSO QUITE ALARMING IS THE RECENT ADMISSION OF THE PENTAGON TO RECRUIT NEW TROOPS FROM FOREIGN COUNTRIES, ESPECIALLY MEXICO, TO FILL ITS LACKING QUOTAS OF SOLDIERS IN OUR MILITARY (SO WHO ARE THEY? THE NEW HESSIANS?) AND SURELY, THEY WILL LEAN HEAVILY ON YOU WITH THEIR OVERWHELMING LOBBYING POWER AS WILL SPECIAL INDUSTRIAL INTEREST GROUPS, AND OF COURSE, EVEN THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF WITH HIS OWN EXTRA AGENDA IN PUSHING THIS INSIDIOUS BILL FOR HIS LEGACY'S SAKE. BUT WE PRAY YOU WILL BE INSPIRED TO STAND STRONG ON YOUR COLLECTIVE DECISION TO CONSIDER THIS BILL DEFEATED AS YOU HAVE DULY DETERMINED IN YOUR RECENT CLOTURE VOTE ON THE ISSUE. YOU SEE, IT'S HARD NOT TO IMAGINE THAT THERE IS SOME KIND OF IMPROPRIETY OCCURRING IF IT CONTINUES TO SURFACE AFTER OFFICIALLY BEING VOTED AS DECEASED. BUT I HAVE ENORMOUS CONFIDENCE IN THIS SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES. THE GOOD SENATOR SESSIONS HAS RECENTLY DISCOVERED QUITE A NUMBER OF LOOP HOLES IN THE CURRENT AMNESTY BILL PROPOSALS. AND WE DETERMINE THAT IT ALL AMOUNTS TO BEING A 'PARDONING BILL' FOR UNLAWFUL MIGRANTS AND IT COMPLETELY IGNORES THE DEMANDS AND WISHES OF REAL AMERICANS WHILE AWARDING THE SNEAK-INS WITH BENEFITS. FRANKLY SPEAKING, THERE ARE NO LEGITIMATE GROUNDS FOR APPROPRIATIONS THERE. THAT'S OUR WELFARE RESOURCE YOU'RE DOLING OUT TO THESE I.D. STEALING LINE JUMPERS. YOU KNOW, SIR, EXPERTS HAVE STATED THAT A HEALTHY IMMIGRATION RATE FOR THE COUNTRY IS ABOUT 200,000 PEOPLE A YEAR. CONSIDERING THAT LAWMAKERS WANT TO ALLOW EXPONENTIALLY MORE, IT WOULD SEEM YOU INTEND TO OPEN THE FLOODGATES AND WE CAN ONLY EMPHATICALLY DISAPPROVE!! SURE, IT'S A CRYING SHAME THAT TOO MANY COUNTRIES REFUSE TO DEVELOP A HIGHER STANDARD OF LIVING FOR THEIR PEOPLE, BUT THE GREAT "LIFEBOAT USA" CAN ONLY HANDLE SO MANY TILL SHE STARTS TO SINK. LATELY WE ARE SERIOUSLY DOUBTING THAT MOST OF THE CONGRESS PERCEIVES OURS AS BEING THE MAJORITY VIEW POINT SINCE THERE IS INTENSE LOBBYING FROM PRO-ILLEGAL ORGANIZATIONS. EVEN THE ILLEGALS THEMSELVES HAVE BEEN TRYING TO CONTACT YOU AT THE CAPITOL. OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW THAT YOU CANNOT REPRESENT THEM. BEING OUR LEADERS, YOU MUST CONSIDER AND HONOR AMERICAN CITIZEN'S WISHES. I'M SURE THAT IN YOUR YOUTH, SIR, YOU WOULD NEVER EVEN HAVE CONCEIVED OF THE ABSURD NOTION OF MEXICAN PRESIDENTS MAKING BOLD AND BLATANT IMPOSITIONS AND ARROGANT SELF-ENTREATMENTS ON US FROM THE SAFETY OF THEIR OWN CAPITOL TO HAND OVER OUR LAND, WEALTH, AND WELFARE BIT BY BIT AS THOUGH IT WERE NONE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE'S BUSINESS. ARE WE TO UNDERSTAND THAT OUR PRESIDENT HEARS THEM AND NOT US? IS THIS SOME BAD NIGHTMARE COMING TRUE? HAS ANYONE NOTICED THAT THEIRS IS THE STRICTEST AND MOST CORRUPT BORDER SECURITY POLICY IN THIS HEMISPHERE (NEXT TO CUBA)? THIS IS COMPLETELY HYPOCRITICAL AND WE DEMAND THEY NOT BE PLACATED AND APPEASED LIKE SOME NEIGHBORHOOD THUGS!! LATELY, WE HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO PROVE THEY'RE OUR ALLIES. WHEN FOREIGN TRESPASSERS AND DRUG SMUGGLERS CAN SUE OUR BORDER PATROL AGENCIES AND PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR PSYCHOLOGICAL DAMAGES AFTER THEY'RE CAUGHT AND IN THE END THEY WIN THE FARM AND THE AGENTS GO TO JAIL, WE KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING ROTTEN IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA. IT'S TIME FOR SOME SERIOUS HARDLINE DRASTIC MEASURES TO BE TAKEN SO THAT A REAL RESPECT FOR OUR LAWS WILL BE REGAINED BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. I MEAN WE KNOW WHAT MAJOR MOVES OF SECURITY IKE AND REAGAN DECREED ABOUT THIS PROBLEM...SO ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO UNRAVEL ALL OF THAT? IS THIS SIMPLY A DESPERATE ACT FOR DAMAGE CONTROL OR IS IT SOMETHING ELSE? ALSO, WE FEEL CERTAIN THAT YOU WOULD, IN PRINCIPLE, BE AGAINST THE NOTION OF UNLAWFUL MIGRANTS' CHILDREN AUTOMATICALLY BECOMING CITIZENS. AND THAT THE PROVISION GIVEN FOR THE CHAIN MIGRATION OF THEIR FAMILIES WOULD CAUSE AN UNNATURAL OVERGROWTH AND INFLOW OF OUTSIDERS AT AN ALARMING RATE. HOW DO WE EVEN KNOW WE COULD ACCOMMODATE THEM ALL WITH ANY PRACTICALITY? V. AND FINALLY DEAR SIR, WITH YOUR CONTINUED DILIGENCE, DETERMINATION AND CONCERN FOR THE INTEGRITY OF THIS UNIQUE, MIGHTY AND BLESSED NATION WITH ITS FREE AND NOBLE PEOPLE, WE CAN TRULY LIVE OUR LIVES UNTHREATENED BY, SHALL WE SAY, CERTAIN UNSCRUPULOUS POLITICIANS, BANKERS, AND DEED HOLDERS THAT MIGHT BE PERSUADED TO SELL OFF SUCH THINGS AS PUBLIC PROPERTIES, ASSETS, INFRASTRUCTURE, AND NATIONAL LANDMARKS FOR MERE THOUSANDS IN PERSONAL GAIN TO FOREIGN INVESTORS TO MAKE BILLIONS FROM NATIONAL TREASURES THAT SHOULD BE HELD AS OUR OWN. IS THIS AN ACCEPTABLE WAY TO PAY OFF OUR DEBTS? OR SHOULD IT BE CONSIDERED TREASON BY ATTRITION? THEN THERE'S THE CASE OF A CERTAIN IMPLICATED PRESIDENT QUIETLY GIVING MISSILE SECRETS TO CHINA (A MAJOR STOCKHOLDER OF AMERICA) TO KEEP THEM PACIFIED. IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, HOW MUCH DIFFERENT ARE THEY FROM THE ROSENBERGS? FOR ALL THE ELITES THAT HELP SELL OUT OUR COUNTRY, NO AMOUNT OF GOLDEN PARACHUTES AND RETREATS ARE GOING TO SOOTHE THEIR ACHING SOULS WHEN THEY FINALLY SEE THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE THEY'VE DONE TO THE ONCE GREATER AMERICA. AND MAYBE YOU WOULD BE ONE, SIR, TO HELP HOLD OFF AN OUT OF CONTROL MILITARY POLICE STATE FROM HIRING FOREIGNERS (EASTERN BLOCK FOLKS WERE RAISED TO DISLIKE US, REMEMBER?) AND HARDENED CRIMINALS WHO WOULD BE USED TO OPPRESS US UNDER MARTIAL LAW BECAUSE AMERICAN BORN COPS AND SOLDIERS WON'T DO THE UNTHINKABLE LIKE FLIPPING REX 84 INTO A NATIONAL SECURITY MANDATE TO ROUND UP THE AMERICAN PEOPLE INTO FEMA CAMPS. WILL OUTRAGED CITIZENS BE CONSIDERED DISSIDENT TROUBLEMAKERS AND TERRORISTS FOR NATURALLY PROTESTING AND REBELLING AGAINST AN ILLEGITIMATE INVADER OVERTAKING US? WORSE, WOULD THE GOVERNMENT GIVE THAT INVADER A GREEN LIGHT WITH BONUSES. CONGRESSMAN, WE KNOW GUN CONFISCATION DRILLS ARE NOW BEING REHEARSED IN RURAL TOWNS AND WERE OFFICIALLY CARRIED OUT IN THE KATRINA CRACK DOWN (EVEN IN THE WEALTHY UNFLOODED AREAS). THESE PEOPLE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO KEEP THEIR GUNS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AND THEIR HOMES. WHY? RICH PEOPLE DON'T ROB OTHERS AT GUNPOINT! AND WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE THE REAL MOTIVATION TO TERRORIZE CHILDREN IN SCHOOLS WITH MOCK S.W.A.T. TEAM RAIDS? AS IF WE WERE TO EXPECT SOME FORM OF MARTIAL LAW SOON...hhmm...rather brazen I'd say. AND PERHAPS, SENATOR, YOU WOULD JUST SAY NO TO AN ELITE UNHOLY ALLIANCE OF OFFSHORE PRIVATE BANKERS AND MILITARY INDUSTRIAL CONTRACTORS WHO FUND BOTH SIDES OF THE MAJOR WARS AS PRESIDENT EISENHOWER WARNED US ABOUT, AND SO-CALLED PHILANTHROPY FOUNDATIONS THAT FUND MEXICAN NATIONALIST GROUPS AND PRINT THEIR KIDS TEXT BOOKS THAT SAY AMERICA IS THEIRS FOR THE TAKING-JUST GO AND GET IT! WE WANT TO KNOW WHY THEY AND THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT ARE NOT BEING REPRIMANDED FOR SUCH TREASONOUS ACTS AS WELL AS FOR THE SHEER IMMORAL NEGLECT OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE. AND PERHAPS MOST OF ALL, SIR, YOU MIGHT JUST REFUSE TO SUBMIT TO A PRESIDENT WHO'S GOTTEN PRETTY HIGH HANDED LATELY AND YOU WOULD NOT ALLOW HIM TO DISSUADE YOU FROM YOUR CORE BELIEFS OR COERCE YOU TO QUICK-SIGN A 500 PAGE PREWRITTEN DOCUMENT LIKE THE HOMELAND SECURITY ACT WITHOUT READING IT FIRST (WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO EITHER). THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM FOR MISINTERPRETATION IN THERE-STRAIGHT FROM THE WHITEHOUSE BASEMENT. TO ME, THAT EVER PRESENT GLINT IN OUR PRESIDENTS' EYE SAYS HE KNOWS PLENTY MORE THAN HE'S TELLING ANYONE. HIS VERY INTENTIONS OF SETTING UP THE N.A.U. WITHOUT CONSULTING ANY OF US, AS WELL AS PUSHING S.1348, BUILDING THE TRANS TEXAS CORRIDOR, AND IGNORING THE FENCE, COMBINED WITH HIS FATHERS' VISION OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER, GIVES ME PLENTY OF REASON TO CONCLUDE THAT HE AND OTHER ELITES ARE WILLING TO SACRIFICE THE WEALTH, THE SOVEREIGNTY, AND THE INTEGRITY OF THIS NATION AT THE ALTAR OF GLOBALISM. YES, I BELIEVE YOU'RE A WELL INTENTIONED PUBLIC OFFICIAL AND A GOOD SERVANT OF THE PEOPLE WHO COULD MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES AND FUTURE WELL BEING OF US ALL. WE ARE CERTAINLY COUNTING ON YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES TO DO YOUR BEST. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, YOUR ATTENTION, AND YOUR EFFORTS. SINCERELY, ME. (And we're all gonna stay in your face 'til it happens).


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Comment updated September 2, 2007 10:59 AM

 Both Schumer and Clinton are 100% pro-amnesty, which is really sad because the WTC attacks were here. Here is the reply I received when I sent Schumer an email concerning that amnesty bill in the Senate way back when that was eventually killed. I wrote about how amnesty poses a national security risk. Here is Schumer's response:


 

 

Dear Mr. [XXXXX]:

Thank you for contacting me to express your immigration policy
concerns. While our culture has a rich tradition of incorporating
hard-working immigrants into this country, the estimated 12 million
undocumented immigrants are living proof that the current system is broken
and badly in need of repair.

As a Senator from New York, I take our national security very
seriously. I believe secure borders are critical for a secure nation;
without them, America is left prey to those who would do her harm. This is
why I have supported the construction of a barrier at certain border areas
where many aliens cross illegally, as well as tougher penalties for
employers who knowingly hire undocumented workers. I have also cosponsored
legislation to reduce the delay of the deportation of criminal aliens, as
well as legislation to give the Immigration and Naturalization Services the
resources they need to handle the responsibilities of border patrol and
enforcement.

In this same vein, I voted for cloture to S. 1348, the Comprehensive
Immigration Reform Act of 2007. While the bill was by no means perfect, it
was a good start toward securing our borders. It would have greatly
augmented the size of our Border Patrol, improved technology of border
surveillance, and developed a biometric entry-exit system. Unfortunately,
the bill failed to reach final debate - leaving us with a broken
immigration system and a porous border.

Please rest assured that as Congress moves forward on this important
issue, I will continue to support legislation that calls for tougher
measures to prohibit illegal immigrants from entering this country and
provides strong enforcement against employers who hire undocumented
immigrants, even as we seek to establish a rational and fair system of
legal immigration.

Again, thank you for taking the time to share your views about this
important issue. If I may be of further assistance to you on this or any
other issue, please do not hesitate to contact me again.

Sincerely,

Charles E. Schumer
United States Senator

Please do not respond to this email. To send another message please visit
my website at http://schumer.senate.gov/SchumerWebs... /> . Thank you.




-What is essential in war is victory, not prolonged operations. -Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. -There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare. -quotes from the Art of War by Sun Tzu, 6th century BC Chinese General and war strategist.
September 2, 2007 10:53 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Comment updated September 2, 2007 11:02 AM

 This is Clinton's response after sending her the same email:


 

 

Dear Mr. [XXXXX]:

 

Thank you for sharing with me your thoughts and concerns regarding
immigration reform. This is an important issue, and I appreciate hearing
from my New York constituents on this critical matter.

 

Our immigration system is in crisis, and we need to find a thoughtful
and effective solution that combines a number of reforms. A
comprehensive reform to our immigration laws must have, as essential
ingredients: a strengthening of our borders, greater cross-cooperation
with our neighbors, strict but fair enforcement of our laws, federal
assistance to our state and local governments, strict penalties for
those who exploit undocumented workers, and a path to earned legal
status for those who are here, working hard, paying taxes, respecting
the law, and willing to meet a high bar.

 

Along with these changes, it is imperative that we repair those broken
portions of our immigration system that irrevocably damage families and
force citizens and lawful immigrants to live apart from their spouses
and children overseas. This is why I introduced an amendment during
consideration of the immigration reform bill that would have taken steps
to protect the sanctity of families. Our American values demand no less.
I am deeply disappointed that we still have not solved our nation's
immigration crisis. We need comprehensive immigration reform, and I hope
that we can achieve legislation that secures our borders, respects the
rule of law, and honors both our history as a nation of immigrants and
our core American values of respect and compassion. Balancing all of
these interests is not easy, but it is a debate we must take on. That is
why I voted for cloture on the immigration bill, a procedure that would
have kept the immigration reform process moving forward in the Senate.
Unfortunately, the bill failed to achieve the 60 votes necessary to
continue.

 

The thoughts and concerns of my constituents are very important to me
and I thank you for taking the time to write. For updates on this and
the many important issues being considered by the United States Senate,
please check my website at http://clinton.senate.gov /> <http://clinton.senate.gov/> .


Sincerely,

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton 




-What is essential in war is victory, not prolonged operations. -Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. -There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare. -quotes from the Art of War by Sun Tzu, 6th century BC Chinese General and war strategist.
September 2, 2007 10:53 AM    View printable version     Link to this comment   
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Comment updated September 2, 2007 11:04 AM
They both seem generic. Neither of those responses had anything to say. They basically made no sense with the circular logic that was used. What is known however, is that they are both 100% pro-amnesty, pro-open-borders, and pro-terrorism.



-What is essential in war is victory, not prolonged operations. -Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. -There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare. -quotes from the Art of War by Sun Tzu, 6th century BC Chinese General and war strategist.

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