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We won't hear anything about it from the drive by media or the left because it 

would just be too politically incorrect and might offend someone. Let's think about that for a second. The left is more concerned about offending those who are in this country illegally than they are the innocent americans who are victimized and in some cases even murdered by these people. What is wrong with that picture?

Can we depend on getting any kind of relief from our elected representatives? 

I wouldn't hold my breath. The paralyzing fear of political correctness seems to

be the true power which is controlling everything now. 

 

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I see a lot of post concerning illegals of the "latino" persuasion.  There are boucoup illegal aliens from all over the world here.  Orientals have been sneaking into this country for 150 years....we never hear of them.  Plenty of other folks of foreign origin have overstayed visas and it's not often we hear of them unless something like the "Ft Dix six" happens...and those clowns had MANY chances, and reasons, to be deported.  Why not?  The bottom line always is:  "Why are our law officers NOT reporting illegals and why is our govt NOT deporting these people.  What IS the difference between an american citizen breaking the law and an illegal alien breaking the law?  Supposedly, it's the same, but in practice it's not the same.  How can I become an illegal alien and get away with all this stuff?  I'm really missing something real important here!

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You've got the 1/2 of it Vemmaguy.  There are another 13 Americans killed by drunken illegal drivers.  That, as I've written on other threads, makes 25 dead Americans per day at the hands of illegal aliens.  That come to almost 50,000 since 911.  50,000 Americans are dead because our government thinks "undocumented immigrants" should freely roam & drive our streets & our borders let open.  And I'll tell you why Tonto, it is because the trade in illegal drugs is the largest source of revenue in the world, bar none.  Not GM not the Dow, not oil.  Drug money is king & without that border open business is alot harder to do.  Make sense?

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  Lots of business exists that makes it's profit on the backs of illegals...and there is some truth to the "they work jobs that americans won't".....hiring americans at a fair wage wouldn't allow for the profits.  Sure, there are employers that think they wouldn't have a business at all without illegals working for  less than minimum wage, but I think that's BS.  Look at what we pay for gas....people want it bad enough, they'll pay for it.  The fact remains, illegals are doing crimes and our govt won't do squat about deporting them....something wrong there and we, the voters deserve answers.  We gotta keep voting against people that refuse to address immigration issues until we get people in there that will kick them out.

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I hate to say it Tonto, but voting ain't fixing the problem.  There are too many corrupt politicians in both parties to overcome.  See a thread started by ManForFreedom looking for a constitutional lawyer to sue these government assholes into doing their jobs.  All they want to do is take & spend our money.  Maybe we can sue sue them into patriotism.  "Burn the town & rape the politicians"!!!

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Seems to me that in 1776, the "buzz" was about something called "Taxation without representation" and people were really wired up over it.........does sound familiar doesn't it?  What I'm getting at is: what's the HIDDEN agenda?  Why are so many illegals allowed and nothing is done?  Why is it illegal to fuck with an illegal.  Why are illegals even called illegals if it's OK for them to slither in here....and how come I don't have anything to say about it?  Polits don't care.  Once they get voted in it's about "Who can I suck up to to get a big bundle of money for my next campaign?"  DISGUSTING!  Only plus here is that at least I don't live in the "People's Republic Of Masetusets".  At least in Tennessee they don't treat you like an idiot.

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Last I heard 25 American citizens are murdered daily by illegals--from Tancredo staff member.

You're singin my song there Tonto.  I think it's part of the push to completely disolve our borders to make a continental state & ultimately a one-world government.  Also to allow for the free-flow of the worlds most profitable commodity, drugs to flow more freely.  How can drugs be stopped at the border if people aren't? 

Nancy, about 13 Americans are killed daily in the US by drunken illegal drivers & about 12 are murdered outright by illegal gangsters, thugs,etc.  That makes the 25.

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     At least a part of that is because people here(liberals and conservatives) refuse to believe that evil exists.  Guess they never laid eyes on an M15 or some other "gangsta".  People seem to LIKE being victims.  Only in places where CCW permits are readily available are people less likely to be victims and "bad boys" walk soft.  This whole nation is being sold down the river by polits that are elected and refuse to listen to anyone but their big bucks contributers....it's all about pleasing the "bucksters".  Who gives a shit about listening to the people....hell, the "people" are too poor to contribute cause of the taxes and oil prices they gotta pay....so I guess they aren't important.  Look at the dressed up amnesty bill they're buying into...Nothing said about what happens to an illegal that gets "busted" for some crime while on the probation period?  They go to jail, serve their time and get deported?  Who knows?  How many times they get busted for DUI, drugs, gang activities, assault, etc before they get deported and they make it stick....shit, the jails in California are FILLED with illegal aliens and the turn 'em loose on California streets when they've done their sentence, or out on parole...  Even if they are deported, how many have we seen return anyway....it's a revolving door on the borders here....

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As far as I'm concerned if it's their illegal actions that are resulting in citizens being dead, its murder whether by knife or vehicle.

I agree.  Dead is dead, no matter how you arrive there....  If illegals aren't here, they can't hurt anybody accidentaly or on purpose.  But how to get rid of them?  I like people that work for a living, and I feel sorry for people that come from shitholes like Mexico, El Salvadore, the middle east or wherever and work hard to improve their lives....but MY grandparents came here LEGALLY, learned english and worked hard.  My father even changed his last name to combat predjudice.  It wasn't easy.  Now these people wander in and out at will.  They bring welfare problems, drugs and crime with them....that ain't right.  The "American Dream" is being dragged down their toilet.  Polits are worried...they know that sending all the illegals back would cause a bunch of problems.  Mexico would go bankrupt.  The US would loose about 2 million workers (the other 12 million are "dependents").  Businesses that depend on illegals for underpaid workers would go "belly up".  It would be a mess for a while, but I bet ya we'd live through it, and adapt. I don't care what happens in other countries and I don't feel I need to bankrupt MY country to accomadate illegals so some "sweatshop" owner can stay in business or rich folks can have cheap nannies and gardeners and pool boys.  I'm tired of paying the price for the crime and drugs they bring too.  They gotta go. 

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Can we sue the local, state & federal governments for putting danerous criminals back out on the streets?  In case I didn;t mention it on this thread, nancy, that 25 kills per day works out to 48,000 dead Americans since 9/11.  Think their families could sue the their enabling collaborators?  That's another thing, we need to start referring to these pro-amnesty people as "collaborators" because, like the people of invaded countries who helped the Nazis, that's what they are.

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I like reminder people of Mexican Immigration Laws.  Harsh Mexican Immigration Laws There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections; all government business will be conducted in our language. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here. Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed waterfront property. That is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies, if you do you will be sent home. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail. Harsh, you say? . . . . . . . . . . . The above laws happen to be the immigration laws of "MEXICO" http://www.immigrationcounters.com/

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Let's not forget the 8 children per day molestered by illegal immigrants.  I personally know of a beautiful Hispanic child that looks to be about 7 or 8 years old -- her parnets were drug addicts and paid for their drugs by letting men rape the child several times a day.  I hear this is a very common practice in Mexico.

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Is that a fact, Detroit?  Is that 8 reported cases? 8 American children?  Do you have any more data on this, I'd really like to know.

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   Thanks Starr for the "heads up" on Illegal head counters.  The statistics are amazing.  Makes me glad I moved from the Detroit area to a slower pace and warmer climate.  With all the AFL-CIO and UAW workers out of work, things are going to get rough for illegals there.  So many people record numbers on activities of illegal HISPANICS, but there are a bunch of illegals in Dearborn too.......and they ain't LATIN, they're ARABS.  How come nobody but Debbie Schlussel is upset about those assholes?  I know the FBI has "bugs" all over Dearborn.  I knew a ham radio nut that used to hear FBI bugs on his scanner equipment and it was all in arabic....   I also knew of a "human resources"  boss at Ford who could be bribed to hire 'rabs with no greencards, and had them working in the plant.

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I AM RATHER GLAD TO HEAR ABOUT THE BUGS, CAUSE WASNT IT YOUR MICHIGAN FEDERAL DISTRICT COURT JUDGE THAT PUT THE STOP ON THE FIRST PATRIOT ACT WIRETAPPING FIASCO? THINK SO. THE NEWS REPORTER SAID THEY NEEDED TO KNOW WHEN THEY PROMISED SECRECY TO THE SOURCE OF A FOREIGNER, TO GET A INTERVIEW LIKE WITH OSAMA OR A HAMAS LEADER, AND THAT THE FEDS DOING WIRETAPS ON FOREIGN CALLS, WOULD KEEP THEM FROM GETTING INTERVIEWS. THINK IT WAS A FREE SPEECH CASE, BUT IT STOPPED ALL THOSE ILLEGAL WIRETAPS WE TOLD THEM IN POLLS THAT WE WERE WILLING TO GIVE UP A FEW RIGHTS FOR SECURITY FOR CASES. ANYWAY, GOES TO SHOW HOW URGENT YOUR JUDGES THOUGHT SAFETY WAS. DONT KNOW IF STILL IN EFFECT, THINK BUSH OR NEW BILL MAY HAVE CHANGED IT, BUT WHO KNOWS.

THINK THE RAPE NUMBERS MUST BE FROM JUST ONE STATE. ALSO DONT THINK ANY POLICE REPORTS THAT REPORT STATS TO FEDS FOR CRIME REPORTING, ARE INDICATIVE OF ILLEGAL OR NOT. OFFENDERS IF KNOWN ARE SHOWN AS S/B/W/O, SPANISH, BLACK, WHITE OR ORIENTAL, OR SOME MODIFICATION. 8 REPORTED CASES MAY BE OBTAINABLE THROUGH NEWS STORIES, OR SOME LOCAL MANIPULATION OR REPORTING METHOD, BUT IT IS PROBABLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GET ANYWHERE CLOSE TO A ACCURATE NUMBER, UNLESS LIKE HATE CRIMES, THEY CHANGE ALL THE REPORT FORMS TO INDICATE IN A COMPUTER SPOT, AND IF KNOWN WHO THE OFFENDER IS, THAT THEY ARE ILLEGAL. DOUBT THATS GOING TO HAPPEN, NOW THAT STATES HAVE ELIMINATED EVEN NOTIFYING INS WHEN YOU HAVE A ILLEGAL DRUNK OR OFFENDER.

BY THE WAY, FYI, DONT BAD MOUTH BORDER PATROL OR INS. THEY HAVE FOR YEARS DEPORTED, ETC. WHEN EVER COPS ARRESTED OR CALLED AND NOTIFIED THEM OF ILLEGALS IN JAIL. IN FACT FOR MISDEMEANORS IT WAS A GOD SEND, BECAUSE WITH A INS HOLD ON THEM, THEY DID NOT GET RELEASED ON THEIR OWN RECOGNIZANCE, OR BAILED OUT, ONLY TO MOVE THREE STREETS DOWN AND NEVER GET PICKED UP ON ANY WARRANT. BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE FIRST KENNEDY BILL IN 86, WAS IT WAS GREAT FOR A WHILE, BECAUSE THEY HAD MORE MONEY. INSTEAD OF TELLING US IN NOVEMBER THAT WE SHOULD LET THE ILLEGAL GO, BECAUSE THEIR BUDGET WAS SHOT, IT SEEMED TO LAST UNTIL JANUARY! HA. SERIOUSLY, BUT THE BORDER HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE PROBLEM, BECAUSE INS AND BORDER PATROL, AND COPS, SAW THE SAME ONES BACK A YEAR LATER, UNDER DIFFERENT NAMES AND NEW SOCIALS AND GREEN CARDS, AND OFTEN THERE WAS NO WAY FOR THEM OR COPS, TO KNOW THEY HAD WARRANTS OR THAT THEY WERE THE SAME ONES ON THE INS WATCH LIST, BECAUSE THEY HAD NEW IDENTITIES. NO FINGERPRINT RECORD IN THE LOCAL JURISDICTIONS, UNLESS THEY WERE ARRESTED PRIVIOUSLY FOR A FELONY, AND LOTS OF DEPARTMENTS TO SMALL TO HAVE A NATIONAL FINGERPRINT AND IMMEDIATE METHOD OF TELLING THAT JOE BLOW WAS ACTUALLY JOSE CUERVO, UNTIL HE HAD BAILED AND RUN.

THATS WHY THIS IMMIGRATION BILL IS BULL!!!!! FIRST CLOSE THE BORDER, AND START A NATIONAL ID SYSTEM FOR ALL TO USE, AND OUTLAW THESE SANTUARY LAWS, IF THE STATES WANT TO KEEP ALL THEIR FEDERAL GRANTS AND BUCKS. BOTTOM LINE! DON'T GET SIDETRACKED BY THIS MASS EVACUATION CRY. IT CANT AND WONT BE DONE. BUT SYSTEMATIC AND EQUAL NOTIFICATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF CURRENT LAW, WILL DEAL AND THROUGH ATTRITION WORK, IF OUR CONGRESS IS CAPABLE OF DOING WHAT THEY EXPECT SIRIA, IRAN AND PAKISTAN TO DO. LOCK THE BORDERS AND SECURE THEM SO FEW CAN REENTER ILLEGALLY. THEN WATCH THE PRICE OF DRUGS GO UP, ADDICTS LOSE CONTACTS, AND FAMILIES LEAVE VOLUNTARILY OR GET ON THE WAITING LIST. KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID SHOULD BE ON EVERY FAX TO OUR REPS. THEY JUST DONT GET IT.

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Maybe we need to fingerprint and do fingerprint checks on each and every perp who gets picked up and jailed.....that would slow down some of that stuff....costs money though and politicians are loath to spend on "not related to my re-election" programs.  So far, very few politicians have stepped up to the illegal immigration issue.  There are a lot of "bleeding heart" issues tied up with that.  Some hard ass decisions, like deporting entire families, needs to be addressed.  That's what it comes down to.  And kids born to ILLEGALLY IN-COUNTRY ALIENS ARE NOT LEGALLY CITIZENS!  Never have been.  The LAW is clear on that.  Only kids born to legally resident aliens are natural born US citizens...or have a choice of citizenship.  Been that way all along.

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Put the blame and shame where it belongs for all illegal crimes. Using the example sent out by ALIPAC I have been posting illegal crimes on the net and to my mail list that includes my state and federal representitives. I always send them a link to my blog when commenting on them. LOL

"Indiana Senator's Richard Lugar and Evan Bayh's Guest Workers rape 7 year old girl  http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007705240590
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If you cannot get appointments to see them, we request that you join our efforts to confront them at events and if you cannot confront them, we ask you to start booing them in public! Let's all boo the Senators! That will really get everyone's attention, especially the sellout Senators. Even if you are the lone person booing, get those boos into the ears of Senators!

Some of you may want to start calling their offices and just saying Booo! Hisss! Boooo! Many of your more articulate messages are certainly not getting through. Your calls and e-mails are dominating the supporters of this bill over 5 to 1, but the Senate is not listening to the people of America!

We also need all of you to immediately repeat our messages in all of your communications.

The term "illegal aliens" should now be alternated with the term "Senator ______ 's Guest Workers". Here in NC, the tragic news is emerging from another terrible traffic accident involving illegal aliens. NC Residents will be calling Sellout Senator Burr, to ask if these deaths were caused by "Senator Burr's Guest Workers" and were these illegal aliens here to collect on "Senator Burr's Amnesty?"

You need to attach illegal aliens and the terrible impact to those who are now identified as responsible for both the illegal aliens turned into Guest Workers and their terrible impact on our nation.

You MUST follow through with face to face meetings. Calls, e-mails, and faxes are great but clearly not enough. These Senators should be ashamed to show their faces in public from this point forward.

Anyone needing advice or guidance may call me directly for assistance. Only call if you need help to make these face to face meetings happen, as our lines are very busy this week.

You are the true voice of America and regardless of the fake NYT CBS polls, you speak for a majority of our citizens.

Let's go get them team!

William Gheen
President, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC)
www.alipac.us
WilliamG@alipac.us
(919) 787-6009

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Only kids born to legally resident aliens are natural born US citizens...or have a choice of citizenship.  Been that way all along.

This is why we cannot have a Guest Worker program (unless we change the anchor baby laws and all the other benefits that these people would receive). Do you not think for a moment that these people will not have a bunch of anchor babies? These people know how to use the system. They are coached! The law should be that if the parents are NOT American citizens, your child born here is NOT an American citizen. Both parents have to be American citizens for the child to be an American citizen. This is what the law should be to prevent the gaming that goes on.

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