H.R. 984 ASSUALT ON FREEDOM OF SPEECH

Everyone might take the time to read Bill H.R. 984, it appears the government has decided to make all of us lobbist, those who contact government officals will have to keep track of every e-mail & or mail, phone call or personal contact with every Senator or Congressman. Why? Because they if this bill is passed will keep record of what you are doing and saying which may interfer with the Government control of your life. Then they will publish it for all the see & then it will go a step further, overstep your bounds which they are setting & you just might be on your way to jail. All of our rights are under attack, our officals want complete control over your life, this includes the left that believe they cannot be touched for the common good, Bullshit, common good, too hell with it. They are aiming to  control your speech people & your entire life.

LIVE FREE & SPEAK FREE !!

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Congress? The bill is entitled

TITLE VI--EXECUTIVE BRANCH DISCLOSURE OF SIGNIFICANT CONTACTS

This applies to the executive branch not legislative. As for penalties only penalties I see are financial and seems to be directed more towards those in government if their fail to file the reports. Bill also sounds like it's congress wanting to know whose contacting the presdient so they can better understand those that elect them to office. That way the president can't hide things any longer like he's been doing.

It looks the same way to me.

MoF - Can you point out specifically in the bill itself where it says that the one that's doing the "contacting" has to keep a record of anything? 

Because I'm not seeing it. 

Actually looks like a very worthwhile bill - which is why I give it about a 0 chance of passing. Pete

 

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I agree it does sound like a worthwhile bill with 0 chance of passing.

Sorry for the confusion, I should have stated you need to keep track of what you are saying to them, due to the fact they will be keeping track of all everything you state to them. If you do not keep good record yourself, your words could be used against you at some point in time. The way it stated in the article was a way for officals to isolate themselves from having to hear from the public, because as you and I know, if people think it might get them in any type of trouble, they will not say anything, this inturn creates issues in its self. Basics, you will be able to speak & yet nothing will be done, hell, what am I saying, thats how it is now.

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Well if this bill makes each one of us lobbyists, wont that hide the lobbyists that are actually big corporations controling the congress and make them invisable and blend in with us? I cant find this bill to read it. Does anyone have a link? What loopholes do you see in it manoffreedom? Its always worth discussing the different aspects of it.

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This is one reason I think that people, even in forums need to be very careful of their words. What you say could be someday, somehow used against you. I dont say that to instill fear but more then us reads these forums. To stay within the boundaries of our law is very important. When they do something it will be getting you for doing right and not wrong to use against others of your view.

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Manoffreedom. The question at the bottom of your post is a very interesting one and I would love to discuss that in more detail also, maybe after this bill.

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Bugsygirl, I am a FIRM believer in FREEDOM of SPEECH & EXPRESSION, it appears that a lot of people have never taken the time to understand their rights & how to use them in a correct manner to obtain & retain FREEDOM. The question that I leave in the bottom of my statements are to put peoples minds to thinking, No one should ever tell another what or not what to speak. We are all given the same rights, some like what they hear, others do not, if you do not like what someone else is speaking about, then leave or make your own comment. This is the great thing about True Freedom, CHOICE! I become very upset when one person wants to silence anothers choice of words. As well there is (NO) one (1) word or Phrase that should ever be outlawed, "COMMEN SENSE" should be taken in to account, but no one should ever be silenced about their opinion toward others or Government.

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ok by no one you mean all of us. So I have no right to tell a perverted child preditor not to talk to my child about sexual acts?....Just trying to get an understanding of how far your willing to take this. I know free speach is protected up till the point it takes away others rights and Im not sure if theres a clear line drawn in the sand for that. I guess thats why so many go to court over such things.

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We have many laws to protect many rights and when one runs over another theres a problem.

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Does that lewd preditor have the right to express his sexuality in public places and drive people from those public places to get away from them? Should people have to leave public places in order to not be subjected to that. If this is the case I see most people going into their houses and staying there for saftey.

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bugsygirl said: Does that lewd preditor have the right to express his sexuality in public places and drive people from those public places to get away from them? Should people have to leave public places in order to not be subjected to that. If this is the case I see most people going into their houses and staying there for saftey.

Reply to bugsygirl,

I agree with you about free speech going to far, we as Americans have abused "Freedom" to where people just say whatever perverted and filth they want. There is a clear line drawn for us from God's word about  abusing "Freedom of Speech"

"But among you there must not be even a hint of any kind of impurity, Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or course joking, which are out of place....." (Ephesians 5: 3-7).

bugsygirl, I am sure you agree with this.

 

Bugsygirl, It is all about "Commen Sense" I am a ex police officer, I myself have 4 children. This has nothing to do with a pervert speaking to children, if he is, he should be taken off  and excuted! Freedom does have social law & order, I know people have a hard time accepting that. But this is purely geared at an adult 18 years & older, an adult can speak to any adult as they feel, as long as it does not encite harassment or personal space or touching another without permission. Everyone must use Commen Sense, but again, a large number of people are mentally frail in our country.

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I didn't see an article in your post and second I looked at the bill on the governments website and it was clear that this was executive branch reform not legislative. As we stated above this looks to be a good bill as it provides for oversight of the president when the president decides to lie about what was said especially between him or his group and agencies like the issues with Gonzales and the discharging of the lawyers. Instead of relying on some article telling you what to believe look at the bill itself.

Scottish, I read the bill & I find it to hamper Freedom of Speech, it is a way to attempt to silence the mass of people who believe in Freedom of Speech, it is attempting to force silence by intimidation through this bill puting those who have would speak out, to not say anything. That is how the bill reads as well.

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There is nothing in confliuct with free speech. You claimed in your first post

"you just might be on your way to jail"

That is a LIE. Here is the actual punish clauses in this bill pulled right off the Thomas Libraries website

SEC. 603. PENALTIES.

(a) Violation- Whoever violates this title shall be subject to administrative sanctions, up to and including termination of employment.

(b) Deliberate Attempt To Conceal- Whoever deliberately attempts to conceal a significant contact in violation of this title shall upon proof of such deliberate violation by a preponderance of the evidence, be subject to a civil fine of not more than $50,000, depending on the extent and gravity of the violation.

Whoever violates section 701, 702, or 703 of this title shall, upon proof of such knowing violation by a preponderance of the evidence, be subject to a civil fine of not more than $100,000, depending on the extent and gravity of the violation.

The first one has only a $50,000 penalty and the second has a $100,000 penalty but note in the first section it clearly states that EMPLOYMENT can be terminated. that is a reference to a government employee not filing the comments as they shoudl has nothing to do with penalties against the citizen. As I said in the GW thread you are one paranoid guy seeing conspiracies at every turn. not everything the government does is against the people.

Scottish, you are incorrect, I came out of the Government & know damn good and well what they are attempting to do to us in a whole, if you do not agree, thats is great, but as we all stand together wondering what the hell happend when all rights have been striped from us, then we have wasted the best thing on the planet, Freedom, which does not seem very important to you as well as some others. But as for now, everyone speak your mind, because it will take away just as others have been.

LIVE FREE & SPEAK FREE !!

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Well spy and I are still waiting for you to prove where it says jail time. If you can't prove it and prefer to not admit you were wrong then that makes you a liar cause if it's there as you state then is no problem wioth you showing it yet you don't seem to want to prove your claims.

Scottish, it states just might be on your way to jail, I did not say, you are going to jail, just like the left sided & mentally frail, read more into it to twist it to you terms, but good try. This is another way, which you & some others will never accept, that the government is overstepping it bounds. But it does seem you are a bottle feed liberal.

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