LACK OF FOCUS ON KEY ISSUES

This forum started out with a focus on key border issues and now it has branched out into the same ole issues that you hear every day on every news outlet in the nation. We as a society will never get any place on anything without focus on key issues. Just like Michael Savage says Borders, Language and Culture. Boils down to 3 simple concepts close the damn border, speak english only and maintain the culture that we were given by our ancestors.

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I really like the fact that this forum has so many different interest areas.  There are many issues facing our country and it's awesome to have a place to discuss them.  I don't see this as a lack of focus at all. 

I love this forum and tell all my family and friends about it.  They love it too!!!

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I, myself, always enjoy the conspiracy theory threads.  Those tinfoil hat types are so amusing! /sarc

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Grassfire.org did not start off solely on border issues.  It seems like that at this point but it used to focus on a wide variety of issues.  It's good this forum is not only about illegal immigration.

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          The same people are pushing the North American Union, criminal alien rights, gun control, NAFTA Superhighway, etc...........................................; so it doesn't matter what puddle you throw a rock in every puddle has ripples.   The border and border security is always at the center of these arguments in some fashion. We shouldn't give an inch on any of the issues.

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What we MUST have:  One organization that encompasses all anti-illegal groups.  There are over 100 of the such groups.  You don't see that many hispanic groups - they are all under La Raza.  Same goes for the NAACP.  The only way we will have any influence is if we also can present a "one voice" when needed on a specific issue.  Again we also need to decide if we are going to mount a real movement for a candidate.  First we have to agree on which one to support.  Tancredo ? Paul? Hunter? or someone else.  But we need to get centered on something.  But first get us all under one roof. 

macmaulding said:

What we MUST have:  One organization that encompasses all anti-illegal groups.  There are over 100 of the such groups.  You don't see that many hispanic groups - they are all under La Raza.  Same goes for the NAACP.  The only way we will have any influence is if we also can present a "one voice" when needed on a specific issue.  Again we also need to decide if we are going to mount a real movement for a candidate.  First we have to agree on which one to support.  Tancredo ? Paul? Hunter? or someone else.  But we need to get centered on something.  But first get us all under one roof. 

We are not lock step people on these forums. My goal is to get the grassroots  so active that Tancredo, Hunter, and Paul win the lion's share of the delegates and force the convention to select the mominee from one of these three.

John Wunderlich:

You could start your own site that is dedicated to Tancredo, Hunter, and Paul. You could invite members from this site to join. If your site was going in a direction you did not like you could keep the members that are focused on your ideas and ban the members that are against you. You could also send a PM to RonPaul08, I am sure he knows some other sites that are more focused on Ron Paul and would be happy to share that information with you. Just some ideas.

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macmaulding said:

What we MUST have:  One organization that encompasses all anti-illegal groups.  There are over 100 of the such groups.  You don't see that many hispanic groups - they are all under La Raza.  Same goes for the NAACP.  The only way we will have any influence is if we also can present a "one voice" when needed on a specific issue.  Again we also need to decide if we are going to mount a real movement for a candidate.  First we have to agree on which one to support.  Tancredo ? Paul? Hunter? or someone else.  But we need to get centered on something.  But first get us all under one roof. 

 

Have asked about this same idea several months ago. A UNITED FRONT would send a HUGE MESSAGE!

 

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I realize (and have posed this on a different thread) that what we have to have are delegates - popular vote just won't do it.  I asked how do you go about getting delegates?

MrT said:

John Wunderlich:

You could start your own site that is dedicated to Tancredo, Hunter, and Paul. You could invite members from this site to join. If your site was going in a direction you did not like you could keep the members that are focused on your ideas and ban the members that are against you. You could also send a PM to RonPaul08, I am sure he knows some other sites that are more focused on Ron Paul and would be happy to share that information with you. Just some ideas.

 

Sometimes I feel like some wish to be blind. It is a little disconcerting to read articles bringing up and extolling a global order in which the elites have decided to erase national boundaries, national currencies, a common national language, and a common national culture solely for the purpose of commerce and its profit by an organization of the very rich and very powerful and who present no countervailing ideas.

It is frustrating to see how openly they are able to plan and discuss their detailed goals even in the face of people being able to easily see what they are doing because they know that the many are too apathetic and lazy to look into it thenselves and depend solely on a media which they control most of the output of.

Then I read comments from one who is not willing to do what seems to be the least amount of due diligence in the face of his personally being warned about what is happening on a forum designed to allow small sparks to set large fires that ultimately bring about the awareness and change necessary.

The 20th Century saw the rise of corporate driven socialism in what was named fascism and national socialism. People like Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh  thought it was a good idea then and admired it through the 1930s. I am sure that movement then only set back the globalist agenda of financial elites by decades, but it never went away.

They seem to be as sure of their ultimate victory as gambling casinos are in gaming. They have set the odds and the odds are in their favor. Only diligence, perserverence, and courage by those who have spotted the danger from atop the hill and have warned others can, God willing,  change the outcome.

John Wunderlich said:

MrT said:

John Wunderlich:

You could start your own site that is dedicated to Tancredo, Hunter, and Paul. You could invite members from this site to join. If your site was going in a direction you did not like you could keep the members that are focused on your ideas and ban the members that are against you. You could also send a PM to RonPaul08, I am sure he knows some other sites that are more focused on Ron Paul and would be happy to share that information with you. Just some ideas.

 

Sometimes I feel like some wish to be blind. It is a little disconcerting to read articles bringing up and extolling a global order in which the elites have decided to erase national boundaries, national currencies, a common national language, and a common national culture solely for the purpose of commerce and its profit by an organization of the very rich and very powerful and who present no countervailing ideas.

It is frustrating to see how openly they are able to plan and discuss their detailed goals even in the face of people being able to easily see what they are doing because they know that the many are too apathetic and lazy to look into it thenselves and depend solely on a media which they control most of the output of.

Then I read comments from one who is not willing to do what seems to be the least amount of due diligence in the face of his personally being warned about what is happening on a forum designed to allow small sparks to set large fires that ultimately bring about the awareness and change necessary.

The 20th Century saw the rise of corporate driven socialism in what was named fascism and national socialism. People like Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh  thought it was a good idea then and admired it through the 1930s. I am sure that movement then only set back the globalist agenda of financial elites by decades, but it never went away.

They seem to be as sure of their ultimate victory as gambling casinos are in gaming. They have set the odds and the odds are in their favor. Only diligence, perserverence, and courage by those who have spotted the danger from atop the hill and have warned others can, God willing,  change the outcome.

Sorry, I was just trying to help. I won't make that mistake again.

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MrT said:

John Wunderlich said:

MrT said:

John Wunderlich:

You could start your own site that is dedicated to Tancredo, Hunter, and Paul. You could invite members from this site to join. If your site was going in a direction you did not like you could keep the members that are focused on your ideas and ban the members that are against you. You could also send a PM to RonPaul08, I am sure he knows some other sites that are more focused on Ron Paul and would be happy to share that information with you. Just some ideas.

 

Sometimes I feel like some wish to be blind. It is a little disconcerting to read articles bringing up and extolling a global order in which the elites have decided to erase national boundaries, national currencies, a common national language, and a common national culture solely for the purpose of commerce and its profit by an organization of the very rich and very powerful and who present no countervailing ideas.

It is frustrating to see how openly they are able to plan and discuss their detailed goals even in the face of people being able to easily see what they are doing because they know that the many are too apathetic and lazy to look into it themselves and depend solely on a media which they control most of the output of.

Then I read comments from one who is not willing to do what seems to be the least amount of due diligence in the face of his personally being warned about what is happening on a forum designed to allow small sparks to set large fires that ultimately bring about the awareness and change necessary.

The 20th Century saw the rise of corporate driven socialism in what was named fascism and national socialism. People like Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh  thought it was a good idea then and admired it through the 1930s. I am sure that movement then only set back the globalist agenda of financial elites by decades, but it never went away.

They seem to be as sure of their ultimate victory as gambling casinos are in gaming. They have set the odds and the odds are in their favor. Only diligence, perserverence, and courage by those who have spotted the danger from atop the hill and have warned others can, God willing,  change the outcome.

Sorry, I was just trying to help. I won't make that mistake again.

I hope that you spend some time clicking links posted by me, msbobbie, and others. As a child of four, I was playing outside with my younger sisters when a rattlesnake came slithering into the yard. I went in the house to get my mother. She initially thought it was my imagination creating a snake from a stick. But it was a rattlesnake and after my continued insistence, she came outside to look. A very large rattlesnake was indeed in the yard and she took us all inside. The snake was killed by a neighbor with a shovel a little later down the hill.

The moral of this story (if indeed there is one which I believe therre is) is that to totally disregard warnings can be foolhardy and can end in disaster. And to disregard the alarm, even of someone you do not believe to have sufficient credibility can result in dire consequences.

There were two survivors of the Nazi's first death camp who had miraculously escaped with their lives in Poland in 1942. They escaped to Warsaw and informed the Jewish Underground there what was going on.  When England was informed then, were they believed? Did it change anything?

Remember, the truth is often not hard to ignore and people are easily deluded by mass media techniques. The responsibility is on each of us to recognize reality whatever that might be. Just think what is sticking out when someone has their head in the sand.

 

The threat we are under is Globalism. It takes on different faces at different times. Right now it is open borders. Outsourcing manufacturing is accomplished for the most part, only 14% of our GNP is from manufacturing now.

I vehemently warn everyone, the dismanteling of our culture, way of life. The forces of Global Free Trade is being forced upon us, and it amazes me how many average Americans have bought into the idealogy.

Global Free Trade has brought with it the concept of Multiculturism, open borders, ect. The scare tactics of, "we must compete in a global marketplace" is their favorite rhetoric. It's should be obvious that Americans cannot compete with .40/hr, unregulated, third world labor.

I remember when Japan was in the position China is in today. Now they are a world player, even to the point of Toyota becoming the number one auto producer in the world. Now Japan has close markets to American Made Products. 

 

 

Mr. T  - I, for one am open to any and all ideas.