Protect Marriage Rights-CALIFORNIANS! OPPOSE AB 43 AND SB 11

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Hey, don't we have any Californians in this forum who are willing to stand up for marriage between a man and woman????? After all this is what God’s Word has to say about marriage. . .

Matthew 19:4-6: "Haven’t you read the Scriptures? "They record that from the beginning 'God made them male and female.' And he said, 'This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.' Since they are no longer two but one, let no one split apart what God has joined together."

Ephesians 5:31-33: As the Scriptures say, "A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one." This is a great mystery, but it is an illustration of the way Christ and the church are one. So again I say, each man must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

Hebrews 13:4: Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

Genesis 2:18-25: Then the Lord God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper who is just right for him." So the Lord God formed from the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would call them, and the man chose a name for each one. He gave names to all the livestock, all the birds of the sky, and all the wild animals. But still there was no helper just right for him. So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep. While the man slept, the Lord God took out one of the man's ribs and closed up the opening. Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib, and he brought her to the man. "At last!" the man exclaimed. "This one is bone from my bone, and flesh from my flesh! She will be called woman, because she was taken from 'man.'" This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.

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Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. It doesn't say woman can't lie with woman as a male so can I have a lesbian relationship?

 

I am not a Christian but would just like to add my two cents. Everyone against Gay Marriage claims they want to protect it's sanctity. WHAT SANCTITY?

Britney Spears gets married for two hours, Radio Stations run contests where total strangers have to get married, TV puts on these ridiculous Marry a Millionaire things.

In my 40 years of life I've seen only one good, loving marriage, the relationship between my uncle and his partner. A Gay couple whos love and commitment have stood the test of time longer than my life and better than any hetrosexual couple I've ever met, including my parents.

Bex said: Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. It doesn't say woman can't lie with woman as a male so can I have a lesbian relationship?   I am not a Christian but would just like to add my two cents. Everyone against Gay Marriage claims they want to protect it's sanctity. WHAT SANCTITY? Britney Spears gets married for two hours, Radio Stations run contests where total strangers have to get married, TV puts on these ridiculous Marry a Millionaire things. In my 40 years of life I've seen only one good, loving marriage, the relationship between my uncle and his partner. A Gay couple whos love and commitment have stood the test of time longer than my life and better than any hetrosexual couple I've ever met, including my parents.

All I can tell you is that homosexual marriage between 2 males or 2 females is wrong according to my beliefs and the Bible, which I consider to be the Word of God and a roadmap for our lives.

Sanctity means holy and set apart. Marriage is an ordinance that the Church and Civic Law protects because it is a Holy act between a man and woman. Leviticus 18:22 is stating that a male is not to lie with a male and a woman is not to lie with a woman because it is an abomination. Making a marriage covenant with a homosexual is a unholy alliance and is considered unclean and will cause our land to become defiled (Lev. 18:24).

 If you read the above scriptures that I previously wrote it is very clear that God created man and woman to marry for love, companionship and sexual enjoyment. Hebrews 13:4: Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral (fornicators, adulters, homosexuals).

It’s very sad that you haven’t had the opportunity to observe good marriages because there really do exist. Maybe you‘re looking in the wrong places.

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Bex said: Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. It doesn't say woman can't lie with woman as a male so can I have a lesbian relationship?   I am not a Christian but would just like to add my two cents. Everyone against Gay Marriage claims they want to protect it's sanctity. WHAT SANCTITY? Britney Spears gets married for two hours, Radio Stations run contests where total strangers have to get married, TV puts on these ridiculous Marry a Millionaire things. In my 40 years of life I've seen only one good, loving marriage, the relationship between my uncle and his partner. A Gay couple whos love and commitment have stood the test of time longer than my life and better than any hetrosexual couple I've ever met, including my parents.

All I can tell you is that homosexual marriage between 2 males or 2 females is wrong according to my beliefs and the Bible, which I consider to be the Word of God and a roadmap for our lives.

Sanctity means holy and set apart. Marriage is an ordinance that the Church and Civic Law protects because it is a Holy act between a man and woman. Leviticus 18:22 is stating that a male is not to lie with a male and a woman is not to lie with a woman because it is an abomination. Making a marriage covenant with a homosexual is a unholy alliance and is considered unclean and will cause our land to become defiled (Lev. 18:24).

 If you read the above scriptures that I previously wrote it is very clear that God created man and woman to marry for love, companionship and sexual enjoyment. Hebrews 13:4: Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral (fornicators, adulters, homosexuals).

It’s very sad that you haven’t had the opportunity to observe good marriages because there really do exist. Maybe you‘re looking in the wrong places.

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What is it of anyone's business what anyone does in there own bedroom. Why is that hurting you? I am a women, married to a man. However, It does not bother me if a women want to be with another women, or a man, with another man. Karmonica....I sure you are a great christian. Realize that the world is revolving around you, and there are other Christians who see things different than you. Fortunately we are coming out of the dark ages. This reminds me of what the Great Martin Luther King tried to instill in us, to not hold prejudice feeling for one-another.

I won't even get started on what history teaches us about how the bible was written, and who wrote it. The first Roman Emperor to convert to Christianity. Before he "edited" it he was a Pegan.   (Religion and Anthropology, UC Berkley) (Thesis 1991 Religious Studies)

You see anyone has a right to be close to god without your, or anyone else's blessing, not the church, and most importantly not the bible. So if anyone wants to dictate to anyone else what they do behind closed doors, you better have more back up than some book.

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Hey Karonica - I'm from California and I agree with you wholeheartedly.  One of my favorite talk show hosts is gay and he's against gay marriage.  Gotta love that man.

Have you signed up with Tom McClintock's new organization - http://www.carepublic.com/

God bless him, he's got a lot of good things up his Conservative sleeve to keep us busy in the coming days, months and years.  Please check out his website when you can and join his email list.

   

 

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Karonica said: All I can tell you is that homosexual marriage between 2 males or 2 females is wrong according to my beliefs and the Bible, which I consider to be the Word of God and a roadmap for our lives. 

 

 

 

I am an extremely spiritual person, but I do not believe in YOUR God nor the writings in the Bible.  Why must your beliefs trump mine? 

 If a person lives a good life and does not harm others then why must they be punished simply for not believing in Your God?

The start of the First Amendment reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; "  Yet, you wish to make laws based on your Religion with a complete disregard to the beliefs and Gods & Goddesses of everyone elses Religions.

 It's an Issue of rights.  There are certain legal rights, recognized by all states, that is attached to Marriage.  The Civil Unions bullshit would not be recognized by other states.

Imagine this scenario.  You and your husband are travelling out of state and you are involved in a horrible traffic accident.  Your husband is in ICU and you want to be by his side.  The hospital tells you, sorry, you can't go in there, only immediate family is allowed.  That is a problem that Gay Couples have to currently endure.  Not very love thy neighbor is it.

BEX... it is no use... when bible thumpers get on their wagons and hold up their book, nobody can tell them anything different than whats in this book that they live by. It's like beating a dead horse. You are right, and this is a closed minded attitude that goes after people that they do not even know. What happen to JUDGE NOT OR YOU SHALL BE JUDGED. You see the book that they refer to is full of hypocrisy's. It is like going to a fortune teller. There is always something that is said that can be taken one way or another. So it will fit for them no matter what they are trying to preach.

 

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Bex said:       The start of the First Amendment reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; "  Yet, you wish to make laws based on your Religion with a complete disregard to the beliefs and Gods & Goddesses of everyone elses Religions.......

Then please tell me, where the framework for our Bill of rights come from? Read the preamble to the Constitution. Read the entirety of Patrick Henry's speech (not just the part that is often quoted).  There are some ten or eleven references to the God of the Bible and references to scriptures from both Old and New testaments. Climb the Washinton Monument and see what is inscribed at the top of it.  Inscribed on the metal cap on the top is  the latin phrase, "Laus Deo," which means "In God We Trust." 

 We are not allowed to murder anyone according to laws in national and state constitution. Where did that come from? If this were a Islamic republic, that would be establishing a law based on religious teachings. And yet, to the Muslim, the Koran says its Ok. So, according to your interpretation of the "establishment" clause of the constitution, Murder, as a punishable offense would be establishing a religious law that goes against another religion. Hmmmm.....

Someone once asked me, who wrote the bible?  God didnt write it, nor did Jesus.  It was written in its time as guidence.  If a book like the bible was written today who would we trust to write it?  George Bush? Dr. Phil? Heck, why not Howard Stern?   My poing being, we can not live our lives by bible verses,  nor can we judge others by some unknown historic accounts.

Gays now have their own christian church, and how would you feel if they started condemning you?  Something to think about.

Open your hearts.

  

Another problem is that homosexuals have a secret agenda that they want to shove down everyone's throat. Homosexuality is a choice and not a special race of people. God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve…HELLO!

Unfortunately, if these bills pass, people who don't believe like them will eventually not be allowed to express their views and they are currently being labeled as bigots and guilty of hate crimes. This is ridiculous. This is unethical and is another reason why I am opposed to this lifestyle and these bills. If I have to accept your way of life, then you have to accept mine. I suppose we will have to make laws to protect our rights to be different too, huh????…or else we may be going to jail.

Is our First Amendment right only reserved for homosexuals who want to have their own way? It's hypocritical and disgusting for them to support negative connotations if they are directed at heterosexuals but not if they are directed at homosexuals. I have had it with these double standards. I think it is terrible that homosexuals would even suggest that someone be put in a REHAB for not agreeing with their lifestyle. That is nothing more than dictatorship, control and forcing their agenda on us. I have the right to say and do what I think and believe, just as every other American does. Look, if gays can't take the heat then they need to stop fueling the flames...otherwise they must be willing to give others the freedom to express their views.

It appears to me that homosexuals are bigoted toward other American's views. Just like you, I believe it is my moral responsibility to speak out against that kind of prejudice and injustice every time I encounter it too.

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No one is saying you have to change. You do not have to accept anyone's way of life. Just leave them alone. You must have had some bad experience with someone gay. That is what forms our prejudice. Most just want to live their lives in peace. Unfortunately there are some people of every race and sexual way of life that ruins it for the others by showing their ass. I really can not believe that you think gay people have a secret agenda. What is there some diabolical plot for their people to take over the world? Do you respect other religions? What about buddhist? They do not believe like you. Is it your MORAL RESPONSIBILTY to sniff out anyone different than you and out cast them. You say it appears that homosexuals are bigoted toward other Americans views. Isn't that calling the kettle black?

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Well, when they want to put you in a REHAB for saying something they don't like...that is bigoted toward other Americans views.

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Karonica, I still don't understand how anyone has the right to say that two people can't be married.  Love is love.  Yes, it is not the way you would live your life, or I would live mine, however, that dosn't make it right for us to make that decision.  Its true, as stated above... who cares what others do in their bedroom.  Does seeing gay couples makes you uncomfortable?  Is one gay couple the same as every other? Of course not.  You have to be careful what you say in order to stay away from that REHAB. :) 

But it's ok for gays to say that I'm bigoted and a racist????? That's where the double standard is...don't you see??????

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I am not racist or bigoted because I don't care for this particular lifestyle.

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I am not labeling, I just want people to understand that everyone has a right to live their life the way they want to live it. Free to do so without judgement. I personally do not want to see two women kissing. Or two men kissing in public, but I have friends that are gay, and they do not display themselves in public. I also have a relative (female) that is gay and what is referred to as butch. She is a wonderful person. If you got to know her I know you would like her, if you gave her the chance. Guess what, she goes to church.  Just realize that people are people no matter what color, or orientation. Just like you.

You are not a racist, I don't think that is what they are saying to you. Look closer at what is going on. They are fighting for their rights, just as hard as you would.

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It is no one's business what goes on in anyones  bedroom.

However, government acceptance of same-sex unions affects us all.  Currently many public schools teach acceptance of same-sex relationships to our very young children against the wishes of their paents and even go as far as declaring it their duty. 

Federal Judge Mark Wolf dismisses David Parker's Civil Rights Lawsuit(concerning his kindergarten son)

The ruling goes to extraordinary lengths to legitimize and reinforce the "right" (and even the duty) of schools to normalize homosexual behavior to even the youngest of children. In the ruling, Wolf makes the absurd claim that normalizing homosexuality to young children is "reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens in our democracy." According to Wolf, this means teaching "diversity" which includes "differences in sexual orientation."

Also, I recently read articles on Rev. Al Sharptons journey to find his roots.

I wonder how children of same-sex relationships will be able to trace theirs.

Here is another reason we have to protect marriage. 

The End of Marriage in Scandinavia .
by Stanley Kurtz
02/02/2004, Volume 009, Issue 20

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MARRIAGE IS SLOWLY DYING IN SCANDINAVIA. A majority of children in Sweden and Norway are born out of wedlock. Sixty percent of first-born children in Denmark have unmarried parents. Not coincidentally, these countries have had something close to full gay marriage for a decade or more. Same-sex marriage has locked in and reinforced an existing Scandinavian trend toward the separation of marriage and parenthood. The Nordic family pattern--including gay marriage--is spreading across Europe. And by looking closely at it we can answer the key empirical question underlying the gay marriage debate. Will same-sex marriage undermine the institution of marriage? It already has. More precisely, it has further undermined the institution. The separation of marriage from parenthood was increasing; gay marriage has widened the separation. Out-of-wedlock birthrates were rising; gay marriage has added to the factors pushing those rates higher. Instead of encouraging a society-wide return to marriage, Scandinavian gay marriage has driven home the message that marriage itself is outdated, and that virtually any family form, including out-of-wedlock parenthood, is acceptable. ". Scandinavian marriage is now so weak that statistics on marriage and divorce no longer mean what they used to. Take divorce. It's true that in Denmark, as elsewhere in Scandinavia, divorce numbers looked better in the nineties. But that's because the pool of married people has been shrinking for some time. You can't divorce without first getting married. Moreover, a closer look at Danish divorce in the post-gay marriage decade reveals disturbing trends. Many Danes have stopped holding off divorce until their kids are grown. And Denmark in the nineties saw a 25 percent increase in cohabiting couples with children. With fewer parents marrying, what used to show up in statistical tables as early divorce is now the unrecorded breakup of a cohabiting couple with children.