Does anyone have access to an email address for Chertoff?? We need to let him know we are not fools and we want him to stop playing these games and get the proper fence built.

We can built a spaceship to travel millions of miles, but we can't built stable fences to protect our country ---- give me a break!!!!!!!!!!

Our government is "again" lying to us.

I have a question for everyone. If a private organization would start a fund to build the border fence, where the government couldnt control the money would you donate money specifically to build the border fence?

RooForLife71 said: I have a question for everyone. If a private organization would start a fund to build the border fence, where the government couldnt control the money would you donate money specifically to build the border fence?

I do believe that already exist with the organization that watches the border ------------ can't think of their name right now!!!! As soon as I send this I will think of the name------------

While everyone seems to be interested in what has, or has not, been done to secure our borders, why aren't we asking the "WHY" question, and then pushing either congressional action or legal redress and holding the resposible party or parties accountable.  I have my own beliefs about this  bait-and-switch, but I need to know who and why this isn't happening.

RooForLife71 said: I have a question for everyone. If a private organization would start a fund to build the border fence, where the government couldnt control the money would you donate money specifically to build the border fence?

I would!

Sabrina R said:

I do believe that already exist with the organization that watches the border ------------ can't think of their name right now!!!! As soon as I send this I will think of the name------------

I havent heard of that, but if you remember the name I will check it out and tell everyone I know.  I would give money to them because we cant count on the government to build the fence.

I am a little slow over here.  1) Who are the Senators and Representatives who are changing the bill to place the fence? Why? Is there a list somewhere 2) It would seem to me there is more to the story than what is mentioned? What is the real story? 3) Why is Chertoff (sp?) not telling the whole truth?  4) Why would he be afraid to put up a full length fence?  This would mean President Bush is in agreement with him.  Is that the case?  Why is the President Bush afraid to publically make his position know?  Is he for an Open Border?  Why is an open Border not popular?  Does Nafta agreement indicate we should have an open border?  Can we protect ourselves if we don't have a closed border?  Is the danger still there with or without an open border?  We don't need opinions.  We need facts.  Where are the facts and how can we get to them?

 Lawrence1939

I am surprised Chertoff or the Bush administration has not "out sourced" the building of the border fence.  Seems to me this country has out sourced much of our jobs anyway which leads me to believe that as usual there was never a serious attempt made to honor the wishes of the american public.  It is much more acceptable when a God fearing leader can be trusted, or is it?

Private donations could work but I would imagine the government would have its hands in the cookie jar along the way.  Surveying to make sure the fence was on the border.  Security would be a big event 24-7 since workers could be shot from the south side of the border.  The US government would disavow any responsibility or question the Mexican government in the event this should happen.

Excellent idea though.

Lawrence39 said: I am a little slow over here.  1) Who are the Senators and Representatives who are changing the bill to place the fence? Why? Is there a list somewhere 2) It would seem to me there is more to the story than what is mentioned? What is the real story? 3) Why is Chertoff (sp?) not telling the whole truth?  4) Why would he be afraid to put up a full length fence?  This would mean President Bush is in agreement with him.  Is that the case?  Why is the President Bush afraid to publically make his position know?  Is he for an Open Border?  Why is an open Border not popular?  Does Nafta agreement indicate we should have an open border?  Can we protect ourselves if we don't have a closed border?  Is the danger still there with or without an open border?  We don't need opinions.  We need facts.  Where are the facts and how can we get to them?  Lawrence1939

Lawrence - FACTS ARE ----- OUR BORDERS ARE OPEN ---- HAVE BEEN FOR MANY YEARS ----- IT'S NOT JUST THIS ADMINISTRATION, BUT ALL THE OTHERS WHO HAVE FAILED US BY NOT SECURING OUR BORDERS ---- THOSE WHO TRULY RUN THIS COUNTRY (BIG BUSINESS ELITES) DO NOT WANT THE BORDERS CLOSED ---- THEY MAY HAVE TO PAY MORE TO LABOR.

Problem is we really do not know who is crossing our borders ----- what diseases they may have or what their intentions are. Our government is giving us lip service and most Americans are buying it . Our economy, our hospitals and our schools are  being distroyed.

RooForLife71 said:

Sabrina R said: I do believe that already exist with the organization that watches the border ------------ can't think of their name right now!!!! As soon as I send this I will think of the name------------

I havent heard of that, but if you remember the name I will check it out and tell everyone I know.  I would give money to them because we cant count on the government to build the fence.

Roo - check with the Minutemen orginazation or ABP (American Border Patrol).

NorgelinUSA said:

Private donations could work but I would imagine the government would have its hands in the cookie jar along the way.  Surveying to make sure the fence was on the border.  Security would be a big event 24-7 since workers could be shot from the south side of the border.  The US government would disavow any responsibility or question the Mexican government in the event this should happen.

Excellent idea though.

 Maybe part of the money through the private organization building the fence, could be for security and the surveying to make the fence was on the border. Thanks!

Maybe  some people can donate their time to help build the fence like Habitat For Humanity does for building homes. I'm just throwing some ideas out here, let me know what you think.

Sabrina R said:

Roo - check with the Minutemen orginazation or ABP (American Border Patrol).

  Thanks I found a link to the Minutemen Border Fence. They are building a border fence:

http://www.minutemanhq.com/bf/about.php

 

It seems to me that anyone involved with Washington is Lying to the Voters.. We have Shillery lying about so many things that we lose the numbers she does.. Barry bOHYO lies about Resko.. his screaming minister and his day of birth...TIME FOR " We The People" to take back our Government and Throw the MORONS out!

We no longer have elected representatives, so I no longer want to pay taxes! I'll take those funds down to the border and assist the Minutemen or whoever is willing to get the fence built! Our govt. is beyond ridiculous!

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Has anyone thought about it?  Mr. Cherthof is limited to what he can do?
The problem is that we can no longer have a dividing border.  Mexico,
Canada, and the USA are now an American entity.  We are to soon be
be spending Ameros instead of dollars.  Our Sovereignty no longer
exists.  The presidents of the three countries deny that is what they"
are doing, but who believes them.  It is my understanding that it has
already been passed in the Congress under secrecy.  As long as the
three presidents can have their way on this, you can forget about
having a fence.

I am furious about this, but I don't know what to do about it.  I have
signed petitions, but I don't see anyone talking about the sell out of
our sovereignty.  That is where the problem is.

Fraternally,
Moody Roberts
www.rmbaptist.com
www.greatlif.com

Moody - We can not give up! Our numbers are growing and eventually, I'm praying, it will make a difference! Lou and Glenn discuss this topic (NAU) quite often on the radio and t.v. Truthfully, I am getting very tired of phone calls, emails and signing petitions, but I feel powerless to do much more.

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RooForLife71 and Sabrina,

The Minutemen is one and there was one called WeNeedAFence but I think they merged with another group.

Have to disagree with the premise of the original article.  A careful reading of the statute sunsets the ability of the Secretary to identify where and what to fence.  There's no deadline on building the fence itself.  That's dependent on the willingness to do so and the funds available.

Tanc4prez said: We no longer have elected representatives, so I no longer want to pay taxes! I'll take those funds down to the border and assist the Minutemen or whoever is willing to get the fence built! Our govt. is beyond ridiculous!

I agree with you 100% - All we're going to hear is "We tried the camers---they don't work, we tried the fence----they broke through it----so we've decided to let them ALL in"!!!!!!!!!

Well how about adding a little ELECTRICITY to that fence!!!!!!!!!!

Our government has NO intentions in securing our border, but they want to make us think they will --------- the majority of elected officials in the congress have forgotten how they obtained their positions------once their there the people no longer matter sooooooo we need to send a message loud and clear-----if the American citizens are NOT your #1 priority you're OUT!!!! emails and phone calls become a headache after awhile, BUT that's exactly what they are hoping you will say---then you stop and they have an open field------ they can not be held accountable unless they know how you feel then when they do nothing or go in the opposite direction the ball is in your court. DON'T GIVE UP DON'T STOP THE EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS.

ok - for RooForLife 71 - I would not donate to the fence fund because I think the fence is a bad idea - reason being it's expensive, and ineffective since a large number of illegals/contraban/drug smuggling is done by acutely organized crime leaders and gang leaders....they tunnel underground!! HOWEVER, I do want our borders protected, because I am sick of the flooding of illegals, drugs, weapons and gangs taking over our country. I believe that it's the job of our military. If we were spending military money protecting our land/borders instead of bullying the middle east for oil, we wouldn't be in this predicament. We spend billions every month on the war & we have excellent technology that would curtail the human trafficing by way of tunneling. See this site to confirm the way human trafficing and contraban gets inside our borders http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-... That's the war that should be getting fought.