I really must commend you "Paulies" for your passion and enthusiasm in your endeavoring to get Ron Paul elected President of the United States. Unlike some, I find the fact that you were able to bring him within 3pts of the 2nd and 3rd place candidates in the Iowa Caucus', remarkable.

     However, in all honesty, I sincerely doubt that any Libertarian candidate will ever succeed to the Pesidency.

      Most Americans, particularly, most thinking voters,recognize "something" inherently wrong about the Libertarian Philosophy, even if they are are at a loss to articulate it sufficently.

      On the one hand, Libertarians embrace The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution Of The United States and Its attendant documents, but, on the other hand, eschew any common sense approachs to instituting morality for the common good of the culture and the society as a whole.

       If a self-governing people fail to legislate morality, they then, by default, institute immorality.

        This dichotomy is apparent to enough of the American electorate, to prevent the advancement of libertarian candidates past a certain stage.

         Where in The Declaration Of The Indpendence, The Constitution, or, the writings of the Forefathers is it written that unbridled freedom results in liberty?

          Nowhere in human history can this be found. In all cases that I've found, "unbridled" freedom has always resulted in the pulling down of entire societies into the cesspool of immorality.

         When a self-governing people lose the ability, or capability, or, will, to discern between right and wrong, they are doomed to a slow extinction. They are doomed to repeat history.

           And, this I believe, is the ultimate extension of the Libertarian Philosophy if it were allowed progress to its logical conclusion.

           We Americans deserve better.  If we get "better" remains to be seen.

         

 

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I have seen more Ron Paul posters here in Sierra Vista, Az. then any other candidate. I was also surprised to see all 4 corners of a busy intersection occupied by Paul supporters with their signs...

I give em credit...... 

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I share your concerns which is a key reason why I am a libertarian conservative and align with the Republican Liberty Caucus rather than directly with the Libertarian Party. 

Ron Paul, from my research, does not seek unbridled freedom.  He does embrace the idea that as a true Federalist Republic morality needs to be legislated at the lowest levels of government rather than from a Federal level applicable across the entire country with States, communities, and families having no major ability to decide for themselves.

In a purist approach of Libertarian Philosophy there are the inherent dangers you articulate so well.  Having once been a candidate for the LP I learned this lesson from their inside and realized my foundational, conservative nature is much more in line with the original values and beliefs of the Grand Old Party.  You can visit any county Republican party website to still see the early beliefs the party use to champion.  They are listed under a section entitled "Why I am a Republican" going on to list each 'I believe...' statements.  I used these in my article "Why I am a Ron Paul Republican." 

Thank you for your thoughtful discussion, it is a good reminder there are differences between the LP and Ron Paul. 

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HEY TEXAS TOMMY: Unfortunately, what we have now, and will have more of in the near future, is UNBRIDLED FEDERAL POWER. Lets get over this hangup of "unbridled freedom" that anti-Paulists keep spouting. I'd rather have unbridled individual freedom in strong states and local communities than unbridled tyranny under a strong centralized government, as we are rapidly heading toward. I trust my fellow American citizens to sooner or later agree on common sense rules of morality--why, some of us might even decide to obey the 10 Commandments, a freedom that is being denied to us by our mighty and all-wise Washington dictators. I'll never trust big government to come up with solutions to our problems, for it IS the problem. You might still believe that we are a "self-governing people", but I beg to differ. We are a milk-toast population dedicated to self-indulgence and getting all we can get, thanks to the federal octopus now squeezing us to death. You're confusing unbridled freedom with "license". They aren't necessarily the same.

For any interested here is the accompanying video;

 

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Casawood and oldone70, you both have it right as far as I'm concerned.  One only has to take a good look at all the bills being passed while we sleep, laws being passed behind closed doors to realize the Democrats need to go, TODAYS Republicans need to go, and as far as I'm concerned if you want morals, the ACLU needs to go!  IF anyone of the candidates from today's standards wins this year......your thread title may take on a different meaning.  I think for the first time since I've been voting, this is the time to change our direction.  This is the time to vote different blood.  This is the time to take America back!

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Tex!! Show me where the "we the people are ruling"All I see is a bunch of Medias followers that seem to need to be led not Lead.So we will Elect who the Media picks for us to vote on.We the people have lost our right to vote for who we want

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Foxglove, this is the year yet it takes a Ron Paul victory plus another large percent of the other 469 being replaced with similar thinkers so he can start getting things done.  Then another check and reject of the 468 facing reelection in 2010, etc.

This will not likely happen this year.  So, what then?  For the first time in my lifetime there is a real, galvanized awakening regarding the benefits of the unprecedented experiment known as a Federalist Republic as formed in the U.S. Constitution.  How does the revolution of education and involvement continue or will it merely fade once again?

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Texas Tommy Two-Shoes said:      I really must commend you "Paulies" for your passion and enthusiasm in your endeavoring to get Ron Paul elected President of the United States. Unlike some, I find the fact that you were able to bring him within 3pts of the 2nd and 3rd place candidates in the Iowa Caucus', remarkable.      However, in all honesty, I sincerely doubt that any Libertarian candidate will ever succeed to the Pesidency.       Most Americans, particularly, most thinking voters,recognize "something" inherently wrong about the Libertarian Philosophy, even if they are are at a loss to articulate it sufficently.       On the one hand, Libertarians embrace The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution Of The United States and Its attendant documents, but, on the other hand, eschew any common sense approachs to instituting morality for the common good of the culture and the society as a whole.        If a self-governing people fail to legislate morality, they then, by default, institute immorality.         This dichotomy is apparent to enough of the American electorate, to prevent the advancement of libertarian candidates past a certain stage.          Where in The Declaration Of The Indpendence, The Constitution, or, the writings of the Forefathers is it written that unbridled freedom results in liberty?           Nowhere in human history can this be found. In all cases that I've found, "unbridled" freedom has always resulted in the pulling down of entire societies into the cesspool of immorality.          When a self-governing people lose the ability, or capability, or, will, to discern between right and wrong, they are doomed to a slow extinction. They are doomed to repeat history.            And, this I believe, is the ultimate extension of the Libertarian Philosophy if it were allowed progress to its logical conclusion.            We Americans deserve better.  If we get "better" remains to be seen.            

Well said Texas Tommy! Like you I find MUCH to admire in the Libertarian philosophy while other parts are "insane." I just hope that most of them stay active inside the Republican Party. We need their active voice agitating for smaller and less active government.

 

Morgan

One of the main reasons I don't like being labeled a pure libertarian are the flaws in it.  Immigration is one example, it is not a victimless crime and the borders must be secured against illegal aliens.  As more of a libertarian conservative I will remain active in the GOP or fade to an Independent voter, I've not decided as much will depend on whether more people for liberty retake the party or not.  It gets frustrating to be a part of the party that once stood for common sense and now is controlled by those who are unable to make any, IMHO.

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Long Haul Revolution . . . Yep, the actual percentage of Colonists during the War for Independence was roughly around a third.  The Communist Revolution in Russia was waged by probably 10% or less.  The Eastern Block was taken by individuals willing to align with Moscow.  Some certainly did it to to gain power, or because they believed the propaganda.  Some may have done it in an attempt to hold the power of Communist Russia at bay by giving over some of their national sovereignty in hopes that what was left could be preserved. So we really do not need a plurality to renew our country.  All we need is people willing to work to turn things around, willing to sacrifice everything to do it, and a few good men who know how the inside of the beast - that has taken control of our homeland - runs.  Its going to take grass roots.  It's going to take CIVIL SOCIETY, i.e., the sphere of societal life in America that brings people together to work in common for our common good. We saw a Communist revolution occur in the US.  It was the 60s.  we are foolish if we think Russia only infiltrated our government with spies.  It is more effective to change your enemies mind and heart than it is to shoot him or blow him up.  It is also a more sophisticated way of working, and one that leaves the land alone, while getting at the true enemy, the hearts of the people who compose your enemy.  For more on this read America's 30 Years War.http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Thirty-Years-War-Winning/dp/0895263548 What must also be kept in mind is that the renewal of our country - this non-military War of Independence, non-military Civil War - is waged in the context of an international political system unlike any the world has ever seen.  The international system is being converted into a supra-national society and government designed to eliminate the sovereignty of the nation-state.  So remember that when Hilary cries or Romney struts his stuff like a run-way pretty-boy model politique that you are looking, not at candidates aspiring to lead and govern the USA, but at a provincial elite looking for promotion from their betters in the global elite, who are the real brokers of power.  Our little provincial elections, though perhaps bigger and glitzier, are nothing more than provincial elections where the candidates look for (1) the outward acceptance of the populace while (2) currying approval and favor from their masters by proving that they will perform to the specifications of the plan for the new One World Order.  They need approval from central to be vested with authority to do central's bidding, and they need our approval to prove that, should they be given the Global King's appointment to national governance that there will not be civil unrest amongst the people so that the Global Initiative may go forward by our facilitation rather than be hindered by our revolt. This sounds bizarre in a world where we expect trust and good faith as a basis of coming to political agreement, making economic deals and sealing social relationships.  But that is just the point.  The loonies at the heart of this conspiracy are totally against faith and the traditional mode.  They are the type that have been unseen outcasts for decades, even centuries, that have desired the ultimate in power, riches and influence.  They have been on the fringe for most of the period of waiting.  But now is the time for them.  They have the tools they have needed all along to control and take up the tyranny: technology, advanced science, communications, transportation, military power that can be controlled by a few while being wielded against the many, the dissolution of frontiers and uninhabited lands of refuge, unimaginable resources and wealth and the economies that process it, a massive social network of societies and the ability to compel participation, a network of national governments that perform the functions of government as well as those of modern society.

And to those who possess massive wealth, and the political power and social influence that such wealth can harness - and are part of the once-fringe loons who follow after secret societies, occultic magic and demonic cults - the fruit is ripe to pick.  The only things that stands in the way of these conspirators against the Most High God are God's Church, those who are faithful to it, those of other traditional religions who resist the unnaturalness of world dictatorship, and people of good will who will not stand for evil imaginings to be made real.

Its like Return of the King, only real!

GREAT VIDEO ON THE "LONG HAUL" REVOLUTION, CASAWOOD. Thanks for the inspiring post.

Thank you for your time in watching it oldone70!  Hang in there!

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I did my very first volunteering and cold-calling for a Presidential campaign this year, for Ron Paul in the NH primary. I sat, calling people all over the state, between a 20 year old college student who was spending his midwinter vacation working for the campaign and an 82 year old man who was retired (At 55 I, too, am retired but I now run my own small agricultural-based business). So, when people want to write Ron Paul's candidacy off and refer to us as "ronulans" I think of how three generations were sitting side by side, working toward shared ideals of getting our nation back to the vision that prompted our founding fathers to declare independence from a foreign power in the first place. This is far more than a Presidential race. It is our best hope to fully restore our nation! I truly appreciate all your articles posted here.

Thank you.  As long as we all remember it is not so much about Ron Paul as about restoring our nation to the foundations of a Federalist Republic as outlined in our Constitution it should help maintain focus.  Ron Paul has been a lightning rod simply based on his never changing message yet his victory is already in place, many are no longer apathetic and are studying the important aspects of current policies vs. founding concepts.  It is merely the beginning yet all, long, successful jouneys start with the very first steps.

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CasaWood wrote:  One of the main reasons I don't like being labeled a pure libertarian are the flaws in it.  Immigration is one example, it is not a victimless crime and the borders must be secured against illegal aliens.  As more of a libertarian conservative I will remain active in the GOP or fade to an Independent voter, I've not decided as much will depend on whether more people for liberty retake the party or not.  It gets frustrating to be a part of the party that once stood for common sense and now is controlled by those who are unable to make any, IMHO.

Nicely said......I couldn't agree more.  Ron Paul is right about a lot of things but just too isolationist for me to really get behind him.  I do like his thinking with regard to our monetary crisis and the need to return to some sort of gold standard in order to avoid hyperinflation.   If the people knew the true nature of our debt and the snowballing interest payments required to service it they would surely shun both major parties for what they have wrought. 

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vcunn22 wrote: "Nicely said......I couldn't agree more. Ron Paul is right about a lot of things but just too isolationist for me to really get behind him. I do like his thinking with regard to our monetary crisis and the need to return to some sort of gold standard in order to avoid hyperinflation. If the people knew the true nature of our debt and the snowballing interest payments required to service it they would surely shun both major parties for what they have wrought."

You've pointed out two key issues:

First, a critical root cause to our current problems and ultimate demise is the monetary policy of this country. I shivered when I heard the 'mighty' Fed will once again drop rates and create additional paper. The costs of oil are one key factor easy enough for people to grasp regarding this failed policy. Throughout the world the cost of oil has not risen much...it has skyrocketed against a weakening dollar...it is not as much oil rising as the dollar collapsing. The Canadian dollar is not strengthening significanly around the globe either, merely the U.S. dollar is weakening against it. It is much deeper but you see the importance of people learning more about this and the revolution this alone would spark.

Second, a key failure within the Paul campaign is coming up with a way to properly articulate his policies in the soundbite world people grasp. You state he is just 'too isolationist' for you. Soundbites label him successfully as such yet the non-interventionist policy he supports (the same concept supported by Jefferson and embraced by Washington) is so far from isolationism it is polar opposite. If he were an isolationist or pacifist I could not support him, he is neither...he is a non-interventionist which means total interaction with the world while maintaining and extremely strong, powerful national defense.

However, the campaign cannot grab a way to counter the isolation label tossed on him by opponents and the media. He is not extremely articulate, especially in the limited stage of debates or brief interviews and, in the end, this will cost him more than any other aspect regarding electability.

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