Lou Dobbs reported last evening that there are many illegals crossing the border even at the major checkpoints.  Documentation, in some cases, isn't even asked for.  The whole thing is a sham.  What good will the fence do if they can get across this easily? 

I believe it's time for America to realize the fence will never be built!  That would totally be against the designs of those intent on the NAU! 

 Forget the fence.........it's just not going to happen.  We need another plan!

 

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Labrador - glad you weren't around when they yelled the British are coming - afraid you would have said "oh, no" and run. I am not running scared. We sent a man to the moon 40 years ago and now we are being told we can't build a fence? What nonsense is this? Easy solution - very easy - VOTE OUT ANY PRO-AMNESTY - PRO-OPEN BORDERS - PRO NAU candidates! ONLY GIVE MONEY TO PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT YOUR VIEW I.E. PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS! Ron Paul - is reporting that he has raised up to 4.2 million dollars in just 24 hours today. If Ron Paul can raise that kind of cash then Pro-American Soverignty groups can do the same - and with TV ads (remember the Swift Boat group) can expose the illegal immigration "advocates" for what they are. Give me liberty or give me death. I say give me soverignty or give me death. I am not giving up and I will fight with every dollar I earn until I pass. Look at what Lou Dobbs has done and the changes made in fact in just 5 month (since the fall of the June Amnesty Bill - which by the way was suppose to be signed in a garden ceremony as I recall). If we can make that much change happen with boatloads of calls and letters and faxes can you imagine what we could do if we voted the way our calls and faxes and letters said? I say - Where is the Fence - Build it NOW and expose the hyprocrisy of the Mexican goverment for what it is. Stop the Dem's from turning our country into a 3rd world haven!

Sir, Ron Paul "is" the Pro American Sovereignty candidate! Ron Paul is the Champion of the U.S. Constitution with a PROVEN track record. Any of the other candidates will get you more of the same -globalists as opposed to a real America president. Do your research: Google "Ron Paul 2008"

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CJBL:

Build the fence and expose the hypocrisy of the Mexican government for what it is????  What about the hypocrisy of the United States government??

They are in collusion with each other to prevent this fence!  That's why I said, forget it!  What a novel plan to just enforce the law?  Or adopt the plan of several states and cause them to leave through employment attrition?  Which would also prevent new ones from coming!

As powerful a nation as we are, they could stop illegals tomorrow if they really wanted to - without a fence!  It's just not in the hidden agenda.

One more note - it's not the Dems or the GOP - this goes way beyond any party affiliation!  Don't blame the Dems!

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I have actually seen real live photos of the fence, a co-worker of mine has a friend that is in the service and she has been there working on the fence for a few months a few months ago.  Get this, the top of the fence that is suppose to be leaning towards Mexico before you get to the rolled barbed wire?  Well the leaning part is leaning toward US not MEXICO making easier for them to climb over the fence.  Figure that out people.  Welcome to the United States of America.

 

Michelle Mizell

michellem said: I have actually seen real live photos of the fence, a co-worker of mine has a friend that is in the service and she has been there working on the fence for a few months a few months ago.  Get this, the top of the fence that is suppose to be leaning towards Mexico before you get to the rolled barbed wire?  Well the leaning part is leaning toward US not MEXICO making easier for them to climb over the fence.  Figure that out people.  Welcome to the United States of America.   Michelle Mizell

Thanks for your post, Michelle!  In a perverse way, I find that quite funny!

It just confirms what I said.....FORGET THE FENCE!  JUST ENFORCE THE LAW!

 

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Labrador- I hear your frustration, but this info should NOT frustrate us it should get us wired up - I agree that if we really wanted this fence it would already be a done deal - but there's probably a lot going on behind closed doors that we know nothing about - little secret agreements -

We just get louder - no longer just accept and believe what ever we are told - we check it out - thank GOD for people like Steve Elliott and others who continue to varify and report. For far too long we just set by and allowed Congress, the Senate and even our President do what ever they wanted, but all that has to stop - they are accountable to American Citizens and WE MUST hold them to that fact.

This is NOT a democrat or republican problem, this is an American problem - even though the dems are the majority fighting for the illegals and trying to keep them on welfare, free medical and everything else -

The American citizens must band together - across party lines - and say we have had enough lies, enough "tell me what you think I want to hear" and hold these people to the wire - do not be afraid to tell them their positions are not for life and the door swings both ways.

DO NOT GIVE UP - THATS WHAT THEY HOPE YOU WILL DO.

WHEN EVERYONE DROPS THEIR PARTISANSHIP THINKING AND START THINKING WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR COUNTRY AND VOTE FOR THESE CANDIDATES, THEN WE CAN TURN THIS NIGHTMARE AROUND!

TO HELL WITH THE TRAITORS OF BOTH PARTIES AND BOTH GENDERS, VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE AND REPLACE THEM WITH AMERICANS THAT WILL HAVE THE INTEREST OF THE CITIZE3NS IN MIND AND NOT THEIR CORPORATE MASTERS!

INCUMBENTS OUT! NEW  BLOOD IS NEEDED IF WE ARE TO SURVIVE AS A REPUBLIC. QUIT BICKERING ABOUT THE DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS. THEY BOTH STINK . YOU CAN'T TRUST ANYTHING THEY PROMISE YOU. LIARS, THEIVES ALL OF THEM!

Sabrina R said: Labrador- I hear your frustration, but this info should NOT frustrate us it should get us wired up - I agree that if we really wanted this fence it would already be a done deal - but there's probably a lot going on behind closed doors that we know nothing about - little secret agreements - We just get louder - no longer just accept and believe what ever we are told - we check it out - thank GOD for people like Steve Elliott and others who continue to varify and report. For far too long we just set by and allowed Congress, the Senate and even our President do what ever they wanted, but all that has to stop - they are accountable to American Citizens and WE MUST hold them to that fact. This is NOT a democrat or republican problem, this is an American problem - even though the dems are the majority fighting for the illegals and trying to keep them on welfare, free medical and everything else - The American citizens must band together - across party lines - and say we have had enough lies, enough "tell me what you think I want to hear" and hold these people to the wire - do not be afraid to tell them their positions are not for life and the door swings both ways. DO NOT GIVE UP - THATS WHAT THEY HOPE YOU WILL DO.

Oh, Sabrina - I'm definitely not giving up - you misunderstand me!  What I'm saying is that this whole immigration fiasco is nothing but a smoke screen for a much larger agenda!

The fence would not have to be built if our gov't was doing its job.  They do not want the fence to be built - a closed border would be detrimental to the plan of the SPP.   We need to forget the fence and look at the bigger picture.  Everything from the push for amnesty to the fact that our Constitution is being dismantled by Executive Orders is part of the much larger push toward the NAU.  Why are we so surprised that Congress is not holding up to its end of the bargain with the fence?  After all, with the John Warner Act, they have effectively nullified Posse Comitatus - now that's serious!  To me, much more serious than the fence.

Beware everyone - something major is about to happen!  It's almost as if Congress is deliberately provoking us with the constant threat of yet another amnesty bill after we have screamed our heads off!  There's something we don't know and none of us is going to like it much when we find out!

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With the illegals getting drivers license in some states and the electronic voting machines(which I think are rigged), I hope we fix the voting problems, so we can put someone in office that agrees with closed borders. We really need to ask these candidates all the other questions also, SPP, NAU, Real ID, and what are they going to do with the illegals already here. What about the anchor babies (that is not in our Constitution). I think when they catch these illegals, they ought to send them to our borders to build the fence. Wouldn't that be fitting. We need to ask these candidates if they are going to go after these employers for hiring them. The Ag Dept is whining about needing workers, why the hell don't they go get them out of all the American citizens jobs that they are stealing and put them in the fields to pick our AG. What I would like to see join our group is a Constitutional lawyer. That way, he can answer alot of our questions about the Constitution and what are our rights against all these LOONS. I'm glad to see alot of people watch Lou Dobbs. Thank God he is on our side.  We all need to get our elected official to vote in the law that good ole Oklahoma voted for and passed  against illegal immigrants.

Labrador - there are 535 members of Congress and the Senate.

There are 300 million Americans.  I wonder who should be afraid of whom?

Business are made of people, and they depend on people buying their products to stay open.  Americans have great strength they just don't use it.

As I see it the 535 members of Congress put their pants on one leg at a time and some that were in office and "really powerful" at the begining of the Busch Administration are now - well gone!

Power can be given and Power can be taken away!  If those that "give" the power choose to do so!

Congress was trying to get something through because they are out of touch and they drank the cool aide and they think they are "powerful" - a couple of men who come to mind are Rick Santorum and George Allen (remember the Monkey comment and he was suppose to be #1 for President) and Bill Frist! 

Where are they now?  ummm?????????

Don't give your power away so easily.    These guys are just born and raised like the rest of us.  They can be voted out with good replacements and we can take our government back.

Truly it is Mexico that should be scared because how would you like to see 38 million very poor uneducated people flooding back into your country that you just spent 6 to 7 years pushing them out the door, so you could spend all the money on yourself!  If I was Vicente Fox, I would stay in the USA too!

There might be danger in going back where you treated people so poorly.

CJBL: It's not just the Democrats, take a look at all the **** Republicans who don't have the ba*** to step up to the plate and do the job we thought they were going to do. Look how many times these bozos kept up with revoting in this amnesty cra*ola! Your right on most all your points and the implimentation of the NAU is curtains for all of us. I heard talk that Halliburton has contracted for "detention centers" for the discenters when our president sign the territorial set-up of the United States. Whenever martial law is implimented and the United States is dissolved into the 10 territories with the National Guard under control of the United Nations, kiss this country good-bye. They have already erroded the constituion down to a mear piece of paper that needs to be replaced. God is in control and we have to maintain our rights or vigilance to keep what we have. If we have another presidential election, it will probably be our last! JMHO Prayer is our only hope and best to all of you who view this.

That is exactly what the Dems and some Reps are trying to do. Turn America into a third world county. Ron Paul states that the immigration laws state that in order to become a citizen you have to be able to read and write English. If so then why do have to have ballots in Spanish. Giving illegals drivers licenses is letting them vote. That is the only reason they want them to have drivers licenses. We are under attack by Mexico and its supporters to put thru the NAU. And then we can all live like the people in Mexico. Mexico is a wealthy country.Just type in wealthy Mexicans and you will find that the "owner" of Mexico just passed Bill Gates in wealth. Hillary gets millions of dollars in campaign funds from India. She has promised them that outsourcing will never stop. Her and her husband are crooks that will do anything to get money and power. India and Mexico are both wealthy countries. But their people live in their lavish homes on the hill and look down on poverty. Which is exactly what the Clintons and the rest of the elites want for us. And I agree with CJBL. I will fight losing our soveignty with my last dying breath. It will be worth it to me for our children be able to live a decent American life, not fighting Indians and Mexicans for a low paying job. And Ron Paul seems to be the only one interested in saving America.

They are not going to build the fence. Bush agreed to it and funded it, knowing that it would be stopped. If the Dems and some of the Reps get elected they don't want to have to tear the fence down. Go to NumbersUSA to fight amnesty and fight to get the fence built. At NumbersUSA you can send free faxed.

They are trying to force us to watch this NAU go thru. All the elites in this country are doing anything they can do and open borders is what they want. Ron Paul is the only one who cares about America. All they talk about in the debates is the war. Avoiding the subject of immigration. I haven't seen one person asked about the fence or if they believe in open borders. The only time they came close is the drivers license. And all of the people on that stage altho they won't mention it is for giving illegals drivers license. That is so they can vote. I think we should all show up at the polls with Border Patrol or Immigration on our jackets. The illegals have threatened a don't go to work day. I think if we had a don't go to an establishment that employs illegals day it would hurt those businesses more.

 

She has been in Las Vegas twice. The first time to have dinner with a Mexican family and have all the neighbors rally around her. She said she would walk the picket line with them if their negotiations didn't work out. Not long before she arrived a spokesman for several casinos said he would need 50,000 people to replace workers if the illegals were deported. I suppose this was supposed to show us what a hardship this would be on him. Too me it meant he was employing 50,000 illegals in jobs that Americans could have. Dont believe the hype.Not all illegals are picking lettuce. And these are the  illegals that Hillary is going to walk the picket line with. Do you need any more proof that illegals can vote.Working Americans are paying for illegals health care. schooling, welfare and illegals are getting SS benefits. If they are allowed to keep coming across the border and under cutting wages we will all soon be working for slaves wages. There will be no America. We will be a third world country.  Hillary talks of bringing the illegals out of the shadows. They are not in the shadows. They are in your face, burning our flags and demonstrating in the streets. Taking down the flag at their high schools that our taxes pay for and putting up the Mexican flag.   If Bush, Hillary or any of the people running for President cared about working Americans they would quit sucking up to illegals and big business. They only care about votes from illegals and donations from big business. The corporations want cheap labor at the risk of Americans losing jobs. Hillary wants votes no matter the cost to working Americans. There are Americans who have worked till they became old and sick and now cannot get the health care they need but illegals get it free. Geraldo Rivera can't come up with logical reasons for amnesty so he plays the race card. I have Mexican friends, black friends, Samoan friends,etc. None of them are illegals and for Rivera to blanket all Americans as racists is deplorable. If he appears on my TV I turn the channel. He is the racist. He has insulted millions of Americans and shown how stupid he is. Where is my Sharpton and Jackson. I want someone from the news to interview me about how I feel about being branded a racist.
Our country is in danger. Amnesty would mean millions more illegals coming across the border. We cannot assimilate all these people. The elitists tell us to take these people in while they sit in their lavish mansions and look down on poverty just as the Mexican government does to it's people.  Why don't the illegals demonstrate in Mexico's streets and bring about changes that would mean they could get employment in their own country.

The elites Dem and Rep were shocked when we jammed their phones and fax machines fighting against the first amnesty bill and then the second and third. They keep trying to sneak it in on us and hope noone notices it. NumbersUsa keeps track of what is going on and warns us. And lets us send free faxes. We have to keep fighting. And we have to fight in the election. Get the word out about the ones who want open borders and the NAU. Tell anyone you can. I saw a thing on Fox today where an old woman was leaving a talk from Hillary. She said that when she came in she didn't think she would vote for Hillary but now that she has heard her she would probably vote for her. We have to let people like this know what open borders means to her Grandchildren. We all know that is a Dem and certain Reps get in there will be amnesty. Once they are elected we can't stop them and that is what they are counting on. They are stalling the fence till then meanwhile trying to stop the states that are trying to do something about illegas by themselves and giving them drivers licenses so they can vote. We have to stop them.

 

 

I am concerned about America building a fence around itself.

What needs to be done is we need to stop stealing from our citizens to grant entitlements to other citizens.  If we stopped this, the incentive to come over the border from Mexico would be greatly diminished.

A fence can keep people in as much as it can keep people out.  The rate things are going with these NeoCons, I fear I may someday want to leave and not be able to.

 Thus, a secure fence is not even in my best interest.

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You tell him CJBL, I'm so mad I can't!!!!!!!

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